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stryped
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:16 am
Guest
Since this metal on the trailer tubing is only 3/16, should I weld it
with my Hobart Mig 135 with .30 wire and Argon/Co2 mix, or the same
welder with .35 flux core, or arc welder?

I am a newbie welder and was not sure what the advantages/
disadvantages are. (Other than with the wire and gas there is no flux
obviously). I guess it seems mig is a liitle easier but maybe not as
much penetration?
Tim Wescott
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:41 pm
Guest
stryped wrote:
Quote:
Since this metal on the trailer tubing is only 3/16, should I weld it
with my Hobart Mig 135 with .30 wire and Argon/Co2 mix, or the same
welder with .35 flux core, or arc welder?

I am a newbie welder and was not sure what the advantages/
disadvantages are. (Other than with the wire and gas there is no flux
obviously). I guess it seems mig is a liitle easier but maybe not as
much penetration?

I would think that the difference is mostly personal.

Assuming that you're competent, you should be able to do a perfectly
good job with any of the methods you list.

Stick welding (they're all 'arc' welding) will make ugly welds and will
take the most time. In theory you can get away with dirtier metal with
stick welding but I always try to get things clean enough to solder
these days -- I screw up welds enough other ways, I don't need to screw
them up with dirt.

MIG welding will make the prettiest welds (assuming you're good), it'll
be fast, and penetration should be sufficient for a good weld (assuming
you're good).

I have just about no experience with flux core wire, but I assume it'll
be as fast as MIG welding and almost as pretty. You'll have to clean up
the flux afterward, though.

Perhaps you should make some test welds on some scrap, then decide which
method is best for _you_.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
Leo Lichtman
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:06 pm
Guest
"Tim Wescott" wrote: (clip) I have just about no experience with flux core
wire, but I assume it'll
Quote:
be as fast as MIG welding and almost as pretty. You'll have to clean up
the flux afterward, though. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I use flux core a lot. If you are working outdoors, you have to worry about
breezes with gas shielding. Flux core runs a little hotter, which may help.
Cleaning the flux off is no problem--there isn;t much, and it isn't tightly
adhered.
火狐
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:20 pm
Guest
On 4月28日, 下午8时16分, stryped <stry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Since this metal on the trailer tubing is only 3/16, should I weld it
with my Hobart Mig 135 with .30 wire and Argon/Co2 mix, or the same
welder with .35 flux core, or arc welder?

I am a newbie welder and was not sure what the advantages/
disadvantages are. (Other than with the wire and gas there is no flux
obviously). I guess it seems mig is a liitle easier but maybe not as
much penetration?


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火狐
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:21 pm
Guest
On 4月29日, 上午1时41分, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
Quote:
stryped wrote:
Since this metal on the trailer tubing is only 3/16, should I weld it
with my Hobart Mig 135 with .30 wire and Argon/Co2 mix, or the same
welder with .35 flux core, or arc welder?

I am a newbie welder and was not sure what the advantages/
disadvantages are. (Other than with the wire and gas there is no flux
obviously). I guess it seems mig is a liitle easier but maybe not as
much penetration?

I would think that the difference is mostly personal.

Assuming that you're competent, you should be able to do a perfectly
good job with any of the methods you list.

Stick welding (they're all 'arc' welding) will make ugly welds and will
take the most time. In theory you can get away with dirtier metal with
stick welding but I always try to get things clean enough to solder
these days -- I screw up welds enough other ways, I don't need to screw
them up with dirt.

MIG welding will make the prettiest welds (assuming you're good), it'll
be fast, and penetration should be sufficient for a good weld (assuming
you're good).

I have just about no experience with flux core wire, but I assume it'll
be as fast as MIG welding and almost as pretty. You'll have to clean up
the flux afterward, though.

Perhaps you should make some test welds on some scrap, then decide which
method is best for _you_.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Serviceshttp://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details athttp://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html


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SteveB
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:14 pm
Guest
"Tim Wescott" <tim@seemywebsite.com> wrote

Quote:
Perhaps you should make some test welds on some scrap, then decide which
method is best for _you_.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services

Thank you for posting what I consider one of the best pieces of advice ever
posted here. Kudos. A monkey can make a good looking MIG weld with a
couple of days training. Whether or not it will hold is another thing. I've
had lots of MIG stuff come apart, but they were ornamental metal and
decorative things, and not structural of over the road. On the surface they
looked fine, but underneath, they were not.

Good on you for your advice. For the OP, weld it up. Pull it, hammer it,
bend it, saw it in half through the weld. See what you got, and don't go by
looks alone. Consider FCAW as the polarity is different, and gets better
penetration.

Steve
Tim Wescott
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:18 pm
Guest
SteveB wrote:
Quote:
"Tim Wescott" <tim@seemywebsite.com> wrote

Perhaps you should make some test welds on some scrap, then decide which
method is best for _you_.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services

Thank you for posting what I consider one of the best pieces of advice ever
posted here. Kudos. A monkey can make a good looking MIG weld with a
couple of days training. Whether or not it will hold is another thing. I've
had lots of MIG stuff come apart, but they were ornamental metal and
decorative things, and not structural of over the road. On the surface they
looked fine, but underneath, they were not.

Good on you for your advice. For the OP, weld it up. Pull it, hammer it,
bend it, saw it in half through the weld. See what you got, and don't go by
looks alone. Consider FCAW as the polarity is different, and gets better
penetration.

Steve


Thanks for your addition -- I forgot the "test it" part.


I've worked with parts that are MIG welded and are very fine indeed --
but those came from experienced welders. If you have to ask, then at
least try it and test it.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
stryped
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:06 am
Guest
On Apr 28, 6:14爌m, "SteveB" <toquerville,utah@zionvistas> wrote:
Quote:
"Tim Wescott" <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote

Perhaps you should make some test welds on some scrap, then decide which
method is best for _you_.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services

Thank you for posting what I consider one of the best pieces of advice ever
posted here. 燢udos. 燗 monkey can make a good looking MIG weld with a
couple of days training. 燱hether or not it will hold is another thing. I've
had lots of MIG stuff come apart, but they were ornamental metal and
decorative things, and not structural of over the road. 燨n the surface they
looked fine, but underneath, they were not.

Good on you for your advice. 燜or the OP, weld it up. 燩ull it, hammer it,
bend it, saw it in half through the weld. 燬ee what you got, and don't go by
looks alone. 燙onsider FCAW as the polarity is different, and gets better
penetration.

Steve

FCAW ????
Todd Rich
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:08 am
Guest
stryped <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 28, 6:14?pm, "SteveB" <toquerville,utah@zionvistas> wrote:
(snip)
bend it, saw it in half through the weld. ?See what you got, and don't go by
looks alone. ?Consider FCAW as the polarity is different, and gets better
penetration.

Steve

FCAW ????

Flux Cored Arc Welding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux-cored_arc_welding
stryped
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:40 am
Guest
On Apr 29, 10:08燼m, Todd Rich <to...@panix.com> wrote:
Quote:
stryped <stry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 6:14?pm, "SteveB" <toquerville,utah@zionvistas> wrote:
(snip)
bend it, saw it in half through the weld. ?See what you got, and don't go by
looks alone. ?Consider FCAW as the polarity is different, and gets better
penetration.

Steve
FCAW ????

Flux Cored Arc Welding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux-cored_arc_welding

Interesting, but what is the difference between that and flux core mig
welding?
Todd Rich
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:08 am
Guest
stryped <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 29, 10:08?am, Todd Rich <to...@panix.com> wrote:
stryped <stry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 6:14?pm, "SteveB" <toquerville,utah@zionvistas> wrote:
(snip)
bend it, saw it in half through the weld. ?See what you got, and don't go by
looks alone. ?Consider FCAW as the polarity is different, and gets better
penetration.

Steve
FCAW ????

Flux Cored Arc Welding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux-cored_arc_welding

Interesting, but what is the difference between that and flux core mig
welding?

What do you mean by 'flux core mig welding'?

If you mean using flux cored wire on a wire feed welder, then the answer
is there is no difference at all. Same thing.

If you mean using some type of shield gas when you say mig (Metal Inert
Gas or GMAW - Gas Metal Arc Welding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_metal_arc_welding), then you are talking
about dual shielding, which is flux cored wire used with an inert gas
shielding your work as well. In which case the only difference is you are
running gas with FCAW. Which if I remember right it lets you run heavier
wire than you can with just FCAW alone.
z
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:57 am
Guest
On Apr 28, 10:21 pm, 火狐 <see...@yahoo.cn> wrote:
Quote:
On 4月29日, 上午1时41分, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:





stryped wrote:
Since this metal on the trailer tubing is only 3/16, should I weld it
with my Hobart Mig 135 with .30 wire and Argon/Co2 mix, or the same
welder with .35 flux core, or arc welder?

I am a newbie welder and was not sure what the advantages/
disadvantages are. (Other than with the wire and gas there is no flux
obviously). I guess it seems mig is a liitle easier but maybe not as
much penetration?

I would think that the difference is mostly personal.

Assuming that you're competent, you should be able to do a perfectly
good job with any of the methods you list.

Stick welding (they're all 'arc' welding) will make ugly welds and will
take the most time. In theory you can get away with dirtier metal with
stick welding but I always try to get things clean enough to solder
these days -- I screw up welds enough other ways, I don't need to screw
them up with dirt.

MIG welding will make the prettiest welds (assuming you're good), it'll
be fast, and penetration should be sufficient for a good weld (assuming
you're good).

I have just about no experience with flux core wire, but I assume it'll
be as fast as MIG welding and almost as pretty. You'll have to clean up
the flux afterward, though.

Perhaps you should make some test welds on some scrap, then decide which
method is best for _you_.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Serviceshttp://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details athttp://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

升级为推广员,30天内,不赚钱,申请退出,我们补偿你20元!我们绝对承诺!绝对不会另你亏掉20元!你可以先加入,赚到钱从佣金中扣除!!!

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只要大家一起努力,就一定能实现这个目标。

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参与推广更可以获得百万奖金--支持6级下线,每个下线奖励1元,第六级奖励2元。
一级下线 1元×10人 = 10 元
二级下线 1元×10人×10人 = 100 元
三级下线 1元×10人×10人×10人 = 1000 元
四级下线 1元×10人×10人×10人×10人 = 10000 元
五级下线 1元×10人×10人×10人×10人×10人 = 100000 元
六级下线 2元×10人×10人×10人×10人×10人×10人 = 2000000 元
最终奖励 一级 + 二级 + 三级 + 四级 + 五级 + 六级 = 2111110 元

免费注册即可以拥有个人的网站,提升流量,更可以赚钱
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位百万富翁。如果您拥有google的万分之一股的话,你也早就是身价百万乃至千万的富翁了,要知道google现在资产达几百亿。但机会错过了。您也
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really? with a mig welder? and her dress did what? wow!
stryped
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:13 am
Guest
On Apr 29, 10:08燼m, Todd Rich <to...@panix.com> wrote:
Quote:
stryped <stry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 6:14?pm, "SteveB" <toquerville,utah@zionvistas> wrote:
(snip)
bend it, saw it in half through the weld. ?See what you got, and don't go by
looks alone. ?Consider FCAW as the polarity is different, and gets better
penetration.

Steve
FCAW ????

Flux Cored Arc Welding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux-cored_arc_welding

So I could do thios with flux core?
Todd Rich
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:50 pm
Guest
SteveB <toquerville,utah@zionvistas> wrote:
(snip)
Quote:
I'm still trying to figure out if stryped is merely thick or a troll. Right
now, I just have him filtered. I'm beginning to think he's a thick troll.

Steve

I don't know either, but I was trying to nudge him to wikipedia or goggle.
barry
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:32 pm
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"stryped" <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Since this metal on the trailer tubing is only 3/16, should I weld it
with my Hobart Mig 135 with .30 wire and Argon/Co2 mix, or the same
welder with .35 flux core, or arc welder?

I am a newbie welder and was not sure what the advantages/
disadvantages are. (Other than with the wire and gas there is no flux
obviously). I guess it seems mig is a liitle easier but maybe not as
much penetration?

Use them both, don't be afraid...

xman
 
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