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| Marc Verhaegen |
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| Lee Olsen |
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On Apr 28, 2:34 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
Quote: http://tinyurl.com/6pph8v
spear or harpoon?
Depends if he was smart enough to chew a barb on the end. It looks
like from the photo he is beating the water rather than using a
spearing motion.
http://zinken.typepad.com/palaeo/2003/10/worlds_oldest_s.html
The Schoningen spears are described as weight forward, same as the
modern javelin used in modern track and field events. These are about
400,000 years old found amid horse bones.
The spear from Lehringen
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3628638
Last, the earliest barbed fishing spears (harpoons):
http://discovermagazine.com/1995/aug/theslowcrawlforw555
"The researchers used four different dating techniques in all, and to
Brooks they all point to the same conclusion: there were modern humans
making sophisticated tools at Katanda sometime between 110,000 and
80,000 years ago. Apparently they were fishermen: the site is littered
with catfish bones."
The Katanda points look similar to these:
http://tinyurl.com/4flcdf |
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| rmacfarl |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:51 pm |
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On Apr 29, 12:19 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Who the *@(# cares? A harpoon doesn't make anyone aquatic, any more
than a rope makes someone a mountain dweller.
Aqua-zealots are *muy estupido*...
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| Claudius Denk |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:29 am |
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On Apr 29, 12:51 am, rmacfarl <rmacf...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 29, 12:19 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 2:34 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/6pph8v
spear or harpoon?
Who the *@(# cares? A harpoon doesn't make anyone aquatic, any more
than a rope makes someone a mountain dweller.
Aqua-zealots are *muy estupido*...
Likewise, spears don't indicate that they resided or regularly
travelled outside of treed habitat.
Savanna zealots are equally stupid. |
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| Lee Olsen |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:08 am |
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On Apr 29, 8:29 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Savanna zealots are equally stupid.
Chirps the brainless loon:
1. Nobody lived on the savanna until the advent of jeeps and guns.
2. Lions evolved from saber-tooth cats.
3. Apiths never ventured more than 50/100 yds away from a tree.
4. Climate change is not happening presently.
5. Agriculture probably stretches back hundreds
of thousand if not millions of years.
6. Genetic drift is a pseudo-scientific notion.
7. Spears are useless against hyena and lions.
8. ..then what purpose do the stone weapons (spears, bow and
arrow) serve that show up in the fossil record starting about
2.5
mya?
9. Then you should stop;pissing into it.
10. Speak for yourself. I see just fine at night.
11. Uh, er. These artifacts don't come with notes attached to them
that
indicate how they were actually used.
12. Why we see stasis in tool advancement up until a few thousand
years ago.
13. So Paul, now that you've, finally, come to accept the fact that
early
hominids--both A'pith and HE--resided in treed habitat |
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| Marc Verhaegen |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:41 pm |
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Quote: http://tinyurl.com/6pph8v
Quote: http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/04/functional_anatomy_part_i.php
use of the hallux and pollux to grip branches and tools while vertical/
bipedal hanging from tree branches, wading while holding vegetation,
etc.
Thanks, DD, very beautiful picture, but the text is the usual Hs-biased & in
this case also Po-biased interpretation.
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| Lee Olsen |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:46 pm |
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On Apr 29, 12:41 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
Quote: http://tinyurl.com/6pph8v
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/04/functional_anatomy_pa...
use of the hallux and pollux to grip branches and tools while vertical/
bipedal hanging from tree branches, wading while holding vegetation,
etc.
Thanks, DD, very beautiful picture, but the text is the usual Hs-biased & in
this case also Po-biased interpretation.
--Marc
As if an amateur like you would know about interpretations. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:05 pm |
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On Apr 28, 7:19 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 28, 2:34 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/6pph8v
spear or harpoon?
Depends if he was smart enough to chew a barb on the end. It looks
like from the photo he is beating the water rather than using a
spearing motion.
http://zinken.typepad.com/palaeo/2003/10/worlds_oldest_s.html
The Schoningen spears are described as weight forward, same as the
modern javelin used in modern track and field events. These are about
400,000 years old found amid horse bones.
The spear from Lehringenhttp://www.jstor.org/pss/3628638
Last, the earliest barbed fishing spears (harpoons):http://discovermagazine.com/1995/aug/theslowcrawlforw555
"The researchers used four different dating techniques in all, and to
Brooks they all point to the same conclusion: there were modern humans
making sophisticated tools at Katanda sometime between 110,000 and
80,000 years ago. Apparently they were fishermen: the site is littered
with catfish bones."
The Katanda points look similar to these:http://tinyurl.com/4flcdf
Looking at the photo, the 'spear' seems to have nodes like a bamboo.
Possibly it was a cast away bamboo fishing pole, though that's just a
guess. [we just had a little earthquake here, a bumpy wave, a 5.1
maybe] |
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| rmacfarl |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:05 pm |
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On Apr 30, 1:29 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 29, 12:51 am, rmacfarl <rmacf...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
On Apr 29, 12:19 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 2:34 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/6pph8v
spear or harpoon?
Who the *@(# cares? A harpoon doesn't make anyone aquatic,
any more than a rope makes someone a mountain dweller.
Aqua-zealots are *muy estupido*...
Likewise, spears don't indicate that they resided or regularly
travelled outside of treed habitat.
No one said they did (or didn't).
Quote: Savanna zealots are equally stupid.
That's what set's you apart Jimmy. No one can equal your stupidity...
Ross Macfarlane |
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| Lee Olsen |
| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:43 am |
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On Apr 30, 2:57 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
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Thanks for the complement Mark, you're not such a bad guy after all. |
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| Marc Verhaegen |
| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:57 am |
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Olson the professional:
Quote: As if an amateur like you would know about interpretations.
:-DDDDDDD |
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| Claudius Denk |
| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:03 am |
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On Apr 29, 10:05 pm, rmacfarl <rmacf...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 30, 1:29 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/6pph8v
spear or harpoon?
Who the *@(# cares? A harpoon doesn't make anyone aquatic,
any more than a rope makes someone a mountain dweller.
Aqua-zealots are *muy estupido*...
Likewise, spears don't indicate that they resided or regularly
travelled outside of treed habitat.
No one said they did (or didn't).
Ha! You evasive jackasses aren't fooling anybody. It couldn't be
more obvious that up until I rubbed your noses in it you Anthro-
cultists maintained that early hominids (Apith and/or HE) regulary
competed with with sabertoothed cats and bear-sized hyena in and
through treeless savanna habitat. Now you are all trying to pretend
that you didn't say what everybody knows you did say.
Ross, tell us more about how you claim that the human intellect/
consciousness is NOT the result of natural selection. You wouldn't
answer that question would you. Don't think I don't know what you
wanted to say. Go ahead. Tell us how human intellect/consciousness
is the result of genetic drift. If nothing else your explanation
should be good for a few laughs. |
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| Lee Olsen |
| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:44 am |
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On Apr 30, 10:03 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: Ha! You evasive jackasses aren't fooling anybody.
1. Nobody lived on the savanna until the advent of jeeps and guns.
2. Lions evolved from saber-tooth cats.
3. Apiths never ventured more than 50/100 yds away from a tree.
4. Climate change is not happening presently.
5. Agriculture probably stretches back hundreds
of thousand if not millions of years.
6. Genetic drift is a pseudo-scientific notion.
7. Spears are useless against hyena and lions.
8. ..then what purpose do the stone weapons (spears, bow and
arrow) serve that show up in the fossil record starting about
2.5
mya?
9. Then you should stop;pissing into it.
10. Speak for yourself. I see just fine at night.
11. Uh, er. These artifacts don't come with notes attached to them
that
indicate how they were actually used.
12. Why we see stasis in tool advancement up until a few thousand
years ago.
13. So Paul, now that you've, finally, come to accept the fact that
early
hominids--both A'pith and HE--resided in treed habitat. |
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| Lee Olsen |
| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:02 am |
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