Atheists say that this world is by chance; Well, what if, god intended
this world to appear as such, for some reason?

I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.

Earth is 4-billion years old, as uranium-dating proves.

Reason 1: Humans are clever, they don't take tens of thousands of
years to develop scientifically, thus it also flaws the current
perception that humanity genes are stable for atleast past two hundred
thousand years ago.

I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.

Earth is 4-billion years old, as uranium-dating proves.

Reason 1: Humans are clever, they don't take tens of thousands of
years to develop scientifically, thus it also flaws the current
perception that humanity genes are stable for atleast past two hundred
thousand years ago.

Reason 2: a simple human intelligence can produce pottery, they should
have been well a few hundred thousand years ago. But we do not find
Pottery before ten-thousand years ago.

Reason 3: Archeology record suggests agriculture to come into scene in
just last ten thousand years, (Is human as dumb that for tens of
thousands of years they were just hunting?). Intuition says that if
there would be a first society, then it would be both hunters/farmers.
If Archeology says that agriculture started about ten-thousand years
ago, then humanity should have come about ten-thousand years ago, on
Earth.

Reason 4: Archeologists find that organised housed suddenly appeared
about ten thousand years ago, (Are humans dumb enough, that they lived
for tens of thousands of years just roaming the earth, without proper
place to settle).

Reason 5: First chinese writing came in about 1500 BC, and that first
American writing came in about 800 BC by the Zapotec people, first
Egypt writing came in about 3100 BC, (Are humans that dumb, that they
never wrote the previous socalled many tens of thousands of years).
These dates show that, the first humans should come about 10-thousand
years ago, so that they gain enough population/experience to
effectively run the commerce/government through writing.

Reason 6: Geneticists had mathematically proved that, the human gene
is stable for twenty million years into future! with current mutation
rates. Now the question is: how can a socalled series of evolution
from last couple of hundred of thousands of years, from ape to man
halt abruptly for next 20 million years?. (Monkey to man is a great
socalled leap forward in genes. Genes are so so so stable that we can
find even today the species which also existed billions of years old
in fossil records; we are making a very big statement when we say that
monkey gene became human gene in a couple of tens of thousands of
years).

I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.

There are shell beads from africa 160,000years old.

Earth is 4-billion years old, as uranium-dating proves.

Reason 1: Humans are clever, they don't take tens of thousands of
years to develop scientifically, thus it also flaws the current
perception that humanity genes are stable for atleast past two hundred
thousand years ago.

The people of outback australia or the jungles of the Amazon are

Reason 2: a simple human intelligence can produce pottery, they should
have been well a few hundred thousand years ago. But we do not find
Pottery before ten-thousand years ago.

Australian aborigines dont make pottery.

Reason 3: Archeology record suggests agriculture to come into scene in
just last ten thousand years, (Is human as dumb that for tens of
thousands of years they were just hunting?). Intuition says that if
there would be a first society, then it would be both hunters/farmers.

If Archeology says that agriculture started about ten-thousand years
ago, then humanity should have come about ten-thousand years ago, on
Earth.

The Hunter gatherers are as human as you or I. They developed a way of

Reason 4: Archeologists find that organised housed suddenly appeared
about ten thousand years ago, (Are humans dumb enough, that they lived
for tens of thousands of years just roaming the earth, without proper
place to settle).

Its not dumb - they lived and survived - houses followed agriculture.

Reason 5: First chinese writing came in about 1500 BC, and that first
American writing came in about 800 BC by the Zapotec people, first
Egypt writing came in about 3100 BC, (Are humans that dumb, that they
never wrote the previous socalled many tens of thousands of years).
These dates show that, the first humans should come about 10-thousand
years ago, so that they gain enough population/experience to
effectively run the commerce/government through writing.

The invention of writing is a very non obvious thing - it becomes

Reason 6: Geneticists had mathematically proved that, the human gene
is stable for twenty million years into future! with current mutation
rates.

Now the question is: how can a socalled series of evolution
from last couple of hundred of thousands of years, from ape to man
halt abruptly for next 20 million years?.
I dont believe it is true.

(Monkey to man is a great
socalled leap forward in genes. Genes are so so so stable that we can
find even today the species which also existed billions of years old
in fossil records; we are making a very big statement when we say that
monkey gene became human gene in a couple of tens of thousands of
years).

Sometimes evolution is slow sometimes rapid. Many of our ancestors

Reason 7: The mesopotamian scientific trend occured about twenty-
seventh century BC, of Greece about third century BC, of Muslim about
tenth century AD, of European about Sixteenth Century BC. What rule
joins them? every next trend occured after a previous one, nearly
after half the time period between previous two trends. For example,
Meso-Greece period in 25 centuries, Greece-Muslim period is twelve and
half centuries, muslim-european period is about six centuries, and so
next trend should occur at about three centuries latter from sixteenth
centures, ie ninteenth century (which is the American Science Period).
If I call the first Science Period as Adamic, then Adamic SP should
occur about 7700 BC (approx. 8000 BC), i.e. about ten-thousand years
ago. Conclusion: The first Science Period was Adamic and it occurred
about 8000 BC. (Anthropologists suggest that the current humans, i.e.
homo-sapians, were existant on earth for atleast 200 thousand years,
according to their calculations; thus, the intelligence which humans
currently possess, was with humans for atleast 200 thousand years.
But, humanity would be colonizing other galaxies, had it been of the
age of 200 thousand years.). Humans are not dumb that they take many
tens of thousands of years to develop population/scientifically.

Not dumb.

Reason 8: Summerian and Egyptian Civilizations started about 3500 BC;
Indus and Minoan and Akkadian and Andes Cvilisations started about
2500 BC; Chinese Civilization started about 2200 BC; doesn't it all
hint: if it took 5000-years for human to develop from past Egyptian
civilization to the development that is now, then about 5000-thousand
years should have took from a first human pair to develop into
Egyptian civilization, totalling 10-thousand years of human existence
on earth, (It is as evident as is sun).

Reason 9: Now, Pyramids as in Egypt/Amerindian can exist for many ten-
thousands of years. If humanity has an age of more than ten-thousand
years, then it can safely be argued that there should exist similar
more societies like Egyptian/Amerindian, and thus a multitude of
pyramids covering the earth, each showing its history; but we can't
find such sustaining structures as pyramids preceding the time about
3-4 thousand years ago. This all shows that, no bias: Egyptian/
Amerindian were the first to make Pyramids, if humanity was more than
ten-thousand years in age then similar pyramids should have been found
but there exist none, thus humanity can't be more than ten-thousand
years in age; no bias: God is needed to create the intelligent
creature as a human. (It is not that Stone structures before 10-
thousand years decayed, because stone/bone/fossils can date millions/
billions of years).

It may be argued that ice-age thawed about ten-thousand years ago, and
that's why one saw agriculture/etc thriving after it, (but equator
never faced the bitter of ice, so civilization should have continued
at equator, nullifying the previous argument).

The equator lacks the plants and animals that can be domesticated.

I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.

Earth is 4-billion years old, as uranium-dating proves.

Reason 1: Humans are clever, they don't take tens of thousands of
years to develop scientifically, thus it also flaws the current
perception that humanity genes are stable for atleast past two hundred
thousand years ago.

Reason 2: a simple human intelligence can produce pottery, they should
have been well a few hundred thousand years ago. But we do not find
Pottery before ten-thousand years ago.

Reason 3: Archeology record suggests agriculture to come into scene in
just last ten thousand years, (Is human as dumb that for tens of
thousands of years they were just hunting?). Intuition says that if
there would be a first society, then it would be both hunters/farmers.
If Archeology says that agriculture started about ten-thousand years
ago, then humanity should have come about ten-thousand years ago, on
Earth.

Reason 4: Archeologists find that organised housed suddenly appeared
about ten thousand years ago, (Are humans dumb enough, that they lived
for tens of thousands of years just roaming the earth, without proper
place to settle).

Reason 5: First chinese writing came in about 1500 BC, and that first
American writing came in about 800 BC by the Zapotec people, first
Egypt writing came in about 3100 BC, (Are humans that dumb, that they
never wrote the previous socalled many tens of thousands of years).
These dates show that, the first humans should come about 10-thousand
years ago, so that they gain enough population/experience to
effectively run the commerce/government through writing.

Reason 6: Geneticists had mathematically proved that, the human gene
is stable for twenty million years into future! with current mutation
rates. Now the question is: how can a socalled series of evolution
from last couple of hundred of thousands of years, from ape to man
halt abruptly for next 20 million years?. (Monkey to man is a great
socalled leap forward in genes. Genes are so so so stable that we can
find even today the species which also existed billions of years old
in fossil records; we are making a very big statement when we say that
monkey gene became human gene in a couple of tens of thousands of
years).

Reason 7: The mesopotamian scientific trend occured about twenty-
seventh century BC, of Greece about third century BC, of Muslim about
tenth century AD, of European about Sixteenth Century BC. What rule
joins them? every next trend occured after a previous one, nearly
after half the time period between previous two trends. For example,
Meso-Greece period in 25 centuries, Greece-Muslim period is twelve and
half centuries, muslim-european period is about six centuries, and so
next trend should occur at about three centuries latter from sixteenth
centures, ie ninteenth century (which is the American Science Period).
If I call the first Science Period as Adamic, then Adamic SP should
occur about 7700 BC (approx. 8000 BC), i.e. about ten-thousand years
ago. Conclusion: The first Science Period was Adamic and it occurred
about 8000 BC. (Anthropologists suggest that the current humans, i.e.
homo-sapians, were existant on earth for atleast 200 thousand years,
according to their calculations; thus, the intelligence which humans
currently possess, was with humans for atleast 200 thousand years.
But, humanity would be colonizing other galaxies, had it been of the
age of 200 thousand years.). Humans are not dumb that they take many
tens of thousands of years to develop population/scientifically.

Reason 8: Summerian and Egyptian Civilizations started about 3500 BC;
Indus and Minoan and Akkadian and Andes Cvilisations started about
2500 BC; Chinese Civilization started about 2200 BC; doesn't it all
hint: if it took 5000-years for human to develop from past Egyptian
civilization to the development that is now, then about 5000-thousand
years should have took from a first human pair to develop into
Egyptian civilization, totalling 10-thousand years of human existence
on earth, (It is as evident as is sun).

Reason 9: Now, Pyramids as in Egypt/Amerindian can exist for many ten-
thousands of years. If humanity has an age of more than ten-thousand
years, then it can safely be argued that there should exist similar
more societies like Egyptian/Amerindian, and thus a multitude of
pyramids covering the earth, each showing its history; but we can't
find such sustaining structures as pyramids preceding the time about
3-4 thousand years ago. This all shows that, no bias: Egyptian/
Amerindian were the first to make Pyramids, if humanity was more than
ten-thousand years in age then similar pyramids should have been found
but there exist none, thus humanity can't be more than ten-thousand
years in age; no bias: God is needed to create the intelligent
creature as a human. (It is not that Stone structures before 10-
thousand years decayed, because stone/bone/fossils can date millions/
billions of years).

It may be argued that ice-age thawed about ten-thousand years ago, and
that's why one saw agriculture/etc thriving after it, (but equator
never faced the bitter of ice, so civilization should have continued
at equator, nullifying the previous argument).

God modified the mamal gene to make human. Proof? Appendix has no work
in humans, but still exists, but is required in many other mammals.
Also, sea-plant is almost 85% human gene.

The skelatons we find toaday of so-called prehumans are actually
monkeys.

The rate of the human growing has not been constant, the rate is much
higher now because of advanced medical facilities. So, if we take this
rate as constant, then this is not the right approach.

Now, there are two things, wars and famines. Which of them puts an
upper limit to the human population? Inconclusively, it is famine, not
war. Reason: war was almost common throughout the world, but famine
was more widespread in places where there is less vegetation; So,
India/China are majors in population not because they faced less wars
in past, but that they had less famines, compared to other
countries.Conclusion: wars don't diminish the human population, if it
does then it is immediately healed, but that food limits the human
population. So, we can't say that it were cannibals in past that is
why it took humanity many tens of thousands of years to develop
population/scientifically.

If incest continues of 8 generations, then the people becomes
different from eachother, as if they belong to different races. I will
not say Incest, but that different places shut people off from
eachother, and they became different after some generations. The Black
in Africa, and Blond is Sweden, occurred, because a Blond in Africa
died an early death due to ultra-violet sun ray harm, and same for the
Balck in Sweden where it died of lack of Vitamin-D.

Anti-thesis: human beings can't be from this earth, because about ten-
thousand years ago, sudden intelligence came on the surface of Earth.
So, what if Aliens came to earth about ten-thousand years ago, now
called as humans? It is very less probable, because why aliens came
not in the 4-billion history of earth and only in last ten-thousand
years? Also, Aliens most probably had to die because they are not
immune to earthly bectarias/etc. This is just one INDIRECT EVIDENCE.
There are many such other Indirect evidences at my website, www.awais-nazir.biz.

Despite the fact that I had proved the landing of Adam on Earth, ten-
thousand years ago, current Science has difficulty accepting it,
because, it then has to accept the existance of God.

Atheists say that this world is by chance; Well, what if, god intended
this world to appear as such, for some reason?

Conclusion: if this was the only INDIRECT EVIDENCE, then I would have
neglected it, but there are a host of such INDIRECT EVIDENCES
reinforcing eachother, and thus can't be ignored, especially when
chapters 5, 8, and 9 provides the evidence of the DIRECT INTERVENTION
by God.


reference: www.awais-nazir.biz

Reason 2: a simple human intelligence can produce pottery, they should
have been well a few hundred thousand years ago. But we do not find
Pottery before ten-thousand years ago.

Venus of Dolni Vìstonice 34000 to 25000 BC....it took me less than 2

I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.

I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:06:55 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:38:22 -0400, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:

Been looking for gods for 10k years. No word from the big guy yet. Why can't
theist answer this?

I talk to God every day.

I talk to my Chevy every day.

which one of us is more nuts?

I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.

Earth is 4-billion years old, as uranium-dating proves.

Reason 1: Humans are clever, they don't take tens of thousands of
years to develop scientifically, thus it also flaws the current
perception that humanity genes are stable for atleast past two hundred
thousand years ago.

Reason 2: a simple human intelligence can produce pottery, they should
have been well a few hundred thousand years ago. But we do not find
Pottery before ten-thousand years ago.

Reason 3: Archeology record suggests agriculture to come into scene in
just last ten thousand years, (Is human as dumb that for tens of
thousands of years they were just hunting?). Intuition says that if
there would be a first society, then it would be both hunters/farmers.
If Archeology says that agriculture started about ten-thousand years
ago, then humanity should have come about ten-thousand years ago, on
Earth.

Reason 4: Archeologists find that organised housed suddenly appeared
about ten thousand years ago, (Are humans dumb enough, that they lived
for tens of thousands of years just roaming the earth, without proper
place to settle).

Reason 5: First chinese writing came in about 1500 BC, and that first
American writing came in about 800 BC by the Zapotec people, first
Egypt writing came in about 3100 BC, (Are humans that dumb, that they
never wrote the previous socalled many tens of thousands of years).

These dates show that, the first humans should come about 10-thousand
years ago, so that they gain enough population/experience to
effectively run the commerce/government through writing.

Reason 6: Geneticists had mathematically proved that, the human gene
is stable for twenty million years into future! with current mutation
rates. Now the question is: how can a socalled series of evolution
from last couple of hundred of thousands of years, from ape to man
halt abruptly for next 20 million years?. (Monkey to man is a great
socalled leap forward in genes.

Genes are so so so stable that we can
find even today the species which also existed billions of years old
in fossil records; we are making a very big statement when we say that
monkey gene became human gene in a couple of tens of thousands of
years).

Reason 7: The mesopotamian scientific trend occured about twenty-
seventh century BC, of Greece about third century BC, of Muslim about
tenth century AD, of European about Sixteenth Century BC. What rule
joins them? every next trend occured after a previous one, nearly
after half the time period between previous two trends. For example,
Meso-Greece period in 25 centuries, Greece-Muslim period is twelve and
half centuries, muslim-european period is about six centuries, and so
next trend should occur at about three centuries latter from sixteenth
centures, ie ninteenth century (which is the American Science Period).
If I call the first Science Period as Adamic, then Adamic SP should
occur about 7700 BC (approx. 8000 BC), i.e. about ten-thousand years
ago. Conclusion: The first Science Period was Adamic and it occurred
about 8000 BC. (Anthropologists suggest that the current humans, i.e.
homo-sapians, were existant on earth for atleast 200 thousand years,
according to their calculations; thus, the intelligence which humans
currently possess, was with humans for atleast 200 thousand years.
But, humanity would be colonizing other galaxies, had it been of the
age of 200 thousand years.). Humans are not dumb that they take many
tens of thousands of years to develop population/scientifically.

Atheists say that this world is by chance; Well, what if, god intended
this world to appear as such, for some reason?

Conclusion: if this was the only INDIRECT EVIDENCE, then I would have
neglected it, but there are a host of such INDIRECT EVIDENCES
reinforcing eachother, and thus can't be ignored, especially when
chapters 5, 8, and 9 provides the evidence of the DIRECT INTERVENTION
by God.

I don't know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.

I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.

Atheists say that this world is by chance; Well, what if, god intended
this world to appear as such, for some reason?

Conclusion: if this was the only INDIRECT EVIDENCE, then I would have
neglected it, but there are a host of such INDIRECT EVIDENCES
reinforcing eachother, and thus can't be ignored, especially when
chapters 5, 8, and 9 provides the evidence of the DIRECT INTERVENTION
by God.


reference: www.awais-nazir.biz