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| Awais Nazir |
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:53 pm |
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On Apr 28, 4:04 pm, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 28, 7:38 pm, Awais Nazir <waqas.fah...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.
Wrong. The native Australians were on that continent at least forty
thousand years for a start. Even North America has had human
inhabitants for at least twelve thousand years. This is shown by
carbon dating. I note below that you accept isochron and condordia-
discordia methods of dating as you mention uranium dating below.
Humans have been around for about a hundred thousand years but the
numbers were relatively small living in hunter gatherer groups as was
happening until quite recent times (and still do in a few isolated
areas). We nearly went extinct at one stage as genetic evidence shows
a bottleneck of a few thousand individuals at seventy thousand years
ago.
Earth is 4-billion years old, as uranium-dating proves.
Reason 1: Humans are clever, they don't take tens of thousands of
years to develop scientifically, thus it also flaws the current
perception that humanity genes are stable for atleast past two hundred
thousand years ago.
Some humans hadn't even discovered agriculture right up to the present
time. The evidence shows that human numbers increased fairly rapidly
at the end of the last ice age around twelve thousand years ago most
likely because of favourable climate.Two or three thousand years after
that there are signs of the first agriculture - rice growing in China.
Rest of nonsense snipped
or rather archeologists have mistaken the bones of monkeys (and there
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| Awais Nazir |
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:05 pm |
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On Apr 28, 6:38 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: Been looking for gods for 10k years.Noword from the big guy yet. Whycan't
theistanswerthis?
the answer is that: GOD COMMUNICATED THE HUMANITY THROUGH HIS
MESSENGERS INCLUDING MOSES/JESUS/MUHAMMAD. |
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| DanielSan |
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:07 pm |
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dieHard wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:06:55 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:38:22 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Been looking for gods for 10k years. No word from the big guy yet. Why can't
theist answer this?
I talk to God every day.
I talk to my Chevy every day.
which one of us is more nuts?
At least we can test and verify that your Chevy exists... |
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| DanielSan |
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:11 pm |
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James Beck wrote:
Quote: In article <kgtb14l1te1ksu0rlv4ce8jal85u2ckk1k@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:38:22 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Been looking for gods for 10k years. No word from the big guy yet. Why can't
theist answer this?
I talk to God every day.
Kids leave teeth for the Tooth Fairy, makes about as much sense.
Actually, more sense as there is physical proof that one action will
lead to another (tooth under the pillow = money in the morning). I
don't know of anything similar with God. |
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| Awais Nazir |
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:16 pm |
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God is actively communicating with us through messengership,
(www.awais-nazir.biz).
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OK God made the world but didn't want us to know.
So let's make him happy and believe his setup!
If an omnipotent God exists who wants me to believe in him, I would
I don't for he doesn't!
Peter van Velzen
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| Preventer of Work |
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:18 pm |
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Awais Nazir wrote from the Arabian Ozarks:
Quote: I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.
Sounds more like a scientology angle you have going there.
Nobody is orignial anymore. |
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| Ben Goren |
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:01 pm |
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duke wrote:
Quote: Geoff wrote:
Been looking for gods for 10k years. No word from the big guy
yet. Why can't theist answer this?
I talk to God every day.
Liar. I just asked my cat, and she says she's you've never /ever/
spoken to her.
And a damned good thing that is, too. I don't want you anywhere
near her.
Cheers,
b&
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| Charles & Mambo Duckman |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:26 am |
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Awais Nazir wrote:
Quote: Been looking for gods for 10k years.Noword from the big guy yet. Whycan't
theistanswerthis?
the answer is that: GOD COMMUNICATED THE HUMANITY THROUGH HIS
MESSENGERS INCLUDING MOSES/JESUS/MUHAMMAD.
OK, we're all so impressed with your belief. As a matter of fact, as soon as
I'm done circumcising myself, I am running as fast as I can to the nearest
mosque to convert, that's how convincing your arguments were.
And now, since your work here is done, please be so kind as to piss off.
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Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
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| Christopher A. Lee |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:19 am |
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:53:03 -0700 (PDT), Awais Nazir
<waqas.faheem@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Some humans hadn't even discovered agriculture right up to the present
time. The evidence shows that human numbers increased fairly rapidly
at the end of the last ice age around twelve thousand years ago most
likely because of favourable climate.Two or three thousand years after
that there are signs of the first agriculture - rice growing in China.
Rest of nonsense snipped
or rather archeologists have mistaken the bones of monkeys (and there
are many many species among them) for humans.
Idiot. |
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| Christopher A. Lee |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:21 am |
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:05:22 -0700 (PDT), Awais Nazir
<waqas.faheem@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 28, 6:38 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Been looking for gods for 10k years.Noword from the big guy yet. Whycan't
theistanswerthis?
the answer is that: GOD COMMUNICATED THE HUMANITY THROUGH HIS
MESSENGERS INCLUDING MOSES/JESUS/MUHAMMAD.
PROVE IT, IN-YOUR-FACE, PIG-IGNORANT, QUESTION-BEGGING WORSHIPPER OF A
PEDOPHILE CAMEL-FUCKER. |
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| David Flechard |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:00 am |
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Awais Nazir wrote:
Quote: Atheists say that this world is by chance;
Actually, they don't.
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| Awais Nazir |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:38 am |
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On Apr 29, 12:21 pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:05:22 -0700 (PDT), Awais Nazir
waqas.fah...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 6:38 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Been looking for gods for 10k years.Noword from the big guy yet. Whycan't
theistanswerthis?
theansweris that: GOD COMMUNICATED THE HUMANITY THROUGH HIS
MESSENGERS INCLUDING MOSES/JESUS/MUHAMMAD.
PROVE IT, IN-YOUR-FACE, PIG-IGNORANT, QUESTION-BEGGING WORSHIPPER OF A
PEDOPHILE CAMEL-FUCKER.
DEFINITION OF MESSENGERSHIP: Well, if Hindu/Parsi/Bible/etc scriptures
describe Muhammad in such a detail as naming him and his parents, and
also his native place, AND not only one past scripture but ALL major
scriptures of the past say such, etc., because all those major
Scriptures were revealed by the same source - God - but after each's
CORRUPTION then God send new messengership to replace the previous
Messengership; This Messengership sounds an impossibility except ONE
source God is sending there messengers. Surely, this can't be a
coincidence, given the human ego such that even if there is the truth
in front of him, human ego will not accept it, how come all the main
religions of world despite human ego foretold the comming of Muhammad,
and told their followers to follow Muhammad, in very clear words?
MESSENGERSHIP PROVES UNSEEN: Hence Muhammad is proved, so do previous
mesengers, including Jesus/Moses, so do God, so do Paradise and Hell,
so do Angels, so do Bible/Quran themselves, so do Life after Death or
Fate or Day of Resurrection, and all othe matters of the unseen, and
all what Muhammadan Islam say, in short: Belief Is No More A Blind
Belief! So, we can now say with proof, that God organized organic
evolution, or the Universe Creation, and that they were not the chance
creation. Note thE, miracles done by Jesus/Muhammad/etc can't be
proved directly, we can't know even if Jesus was real/figurative
figure, BUT Messengership. What thing, "Messengership" don't prove?
MUHAMMADAN ISLAM REPLACES PREVIOUS MESSENGERSHIPS: Secondary proof, as
previously, proved only that God existed, but they couldn't prove that
is that God really interested in us, and if he is, the how? Saying
that Muhammadan Islam say that God is Absolute is no proof, because
Judaism/Orthodox-Christianity/etc also say similar, also, what if God
himself wanted to eat/die/etc. as in hinduism/etc.? If God himself
wanted it, then no-one could deny him also; Messengership comes to
rescue here also: it proves that why only Muhammadan Islam is true,
and it says that, other major religions were true in their own times
in past.
MESSENGERSHIP CREATES HARMONY/COMMON-GROUND: The added advantage, of
Messengership, is that: Messengership propagate the unity/harmony of
religions/humanity in practial terms, thus, Hinduism/Jewish/etc. are
nothing but sent from the same source, only to be revived by latter
Messengership, once contradictions crept into them. Yet another
advantage is that: even, Budhist, Hindu, Jewish/Christian, scriptures
foretold their abrogation on the coming of Muhammadan scripture, so
all the complexity is reduced in one step.
Now, I can say, that God intended Messengership as an Absolute proof,
not the Science, as an authenticity-badge for the Muhammadan Islam.
Quran.2.35-39 implies that, when God expelled the first man from
Paradise to Earth, God intended only messengership, as a source of
guidance, not any thing else (e.g. science/logic/etc.) as the prove
that the particular message is really from God.
Quran.2.164 implies that God will not punish (nearly Eternal Hell),
when the person has not known THE messengership, of his time, and that
"nature signs" makes meaning only after "messengership".
Bible originals exist today, they blong to the time "before the time
of Muhammad", as the Carbon Dating of them proves.
Thus, if those original Bible didn't existed from the time "time
before Muhammad", then this "messengership" section of my Diary, would
be mere fake, because a doubt of uncertainity is inserted in it, what
if muslims had changed the bible for their bias?
If the KJV Bible don't suffice one, then he can always cross-check
them with the original bible manuscripts.
Though I haven't studies Parsi scriptures in detail, but a cursory
glance led me to the following prophesy about Muhammad.
In Dasatir 14 (Sasan11) we can find a very clear prophesy of Muhammad
(pbuh):
"When the Persians should sink so low in morality, a man will be born
in Arabia whose followers will upset their throne, religion and
everything. The mighty stiff-necked ones of Persia will be
overpowered. The house which was built (The Kaaba in Makkah built by
prophet Abraham) and in which many idols have been placed will be
purged of idols, and people will say their prayers facing towards it.
His followers will capture the towns of Parsis and Taus and Balkh and
other big places round about. People will embroil with one another.
The wise men of Persia and others will join his followers."
Though I haven't studies Hindu scriptures in detail, but a cursory
glance led me to the following prophesy about Muhammad.
"Just an illiterate man with the epithet Teacher, Muhammad by name,
came along with his companions. Raja (Bhoja in a vision) to that Great
Diva, that denizen of Arabia, purifying with the Ganges water and with
the five things of cow offered sandal wood and pay worship to him. O
denizen of Arabia and Lord of the holies, to thee is my adoration. O
thou who hast found many ways and means to destroy the devils of the
world. O pure one from among the illiterates, O sinless one, the
spirit of the truth and absolute master, to thee is my adoration.
Accept me at thy feet"
Bhavishya Purna Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhya 3, Shalok 5-8
Bible.Deuteronomy.33.2 implies that in the Jewish history, there will
be three most important messengers, each will revive previous
messenger's teachings. Sinai one will be the first. Seir one will be
the second. Paran one will be the third. In the following I will prove
that: Sinai means Moses' place, Seir means Jesus' place, Paran means
Muhammad's place.
Bible.Nehemiah.9.13-15 implies that, Moses received his "Moses Law" at
Sinai, (thus, Sinai mean's Moses' place.).
Bible.Luke.1.26-33 says that, Jesus was from Nazareth which is in
Galilee. Bible.Matthew.4.12-16 says that, Galilee is towards the side
of Dead sea where Jerusalem also lie. Bible.Deuteronomy.2.1-28 says
that, Seir is beside the Dead Sea. Bible.Chronicles.20.10-15 says that
Israelites will defeat Seirites. Bibile.2Chronicles.25.11 says that,
Seir is the valley of Salt, because it is beside Dead Sea which is
full of salt. Conclusion: Seir is in Galilee, and Galilee was the
place of messengership of Jesus.
Bible.Genesis.21.21 implies that Ishmaelite dwelt in the wilderness/
desert of "Paran". Muhammad was the only Ishmaelite, who was a
messenger, so there had to come a messenger to Ishmaelites i.e. paran-
one, and he must be Muhammad, because Muhammad is the only Ishmaelite
messenger. Bible don't mention even a single Jewish messenger from
Paran.
Bible.Deuteronomy.33.2 implies that, God shined from Paran, and he
came with ten thousands of the saints. Bukhari.5.59.574 describes
Muhammad accompained by Ten-thousand soldiers when he conquered his
mother-city, Mecca, which proved to be the turning point in favour of
Muhammad.
Bible.Deuteronomy.33.2 implies that God will "his right hand went a
fiery law for them"; thus Quran.5.3 implies that God completed
messengership at Muhammad, (all messengers, Adam/Moses/Jesus/etc, were
but one stock, name it muslims/else/else, but they were all in one),
and there will be no messenger any more.
Hijaz/Paran area is the mountaneous area of the western most of the
Arabian Peninsula, apart from the southern tip of Yemen. Nevertheless
"Paran" is the Western Arabia, in Bible. But neverthess, even if
people say that this "Paran" is not the real one, or this "Paran" is
there; even if "Paran" exists anywhere on the earth, nevertheless,
Bible says that Ishmael and his offsprings dwelt in "Paran". This is
the important point, shed all the other mysteries, thus, I will not
assert which "Paran" the Bible is talking about, let this argument
don't deviate us from the actual purpose. There is only one "Paran" in
Bible, no matter which one, and Ishmaelite and his offspring dwelt in
it for ever, (note that, "faran" is the arabic word used widely among
the Arabs, SEARCH, probably for the Hijaz area; because Arabic have no
'p' sound in their alphabets, so they replace 'f' for 'p'.).
Conclusion: Along with other Primary Proofs, my Intuition says that
God is really Interested in us, and God always communicated with us
through the Middle-Eastern Messengers, the last of whom was Muhammad;
the Jealous Jews/Christians would never tolerate the Ishmaelite
Muhammad in their Bible, and surprisingly whenever a future messenger
is mentioned, in 95% cases it is Muhammmd, the Warrior Messenger.
Bible.Deuteronomy, "
33:1 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed
the children of Israel before his death.
33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto
them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands
of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
33:3 Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and
they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Nehemiah.9.13-15, "
9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them
from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good
statutes and commandments: 9:14 And madest known unto them thy holy
sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the
hand of Moses thy servant: 9:15 And gavest them bread from heaven for
their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for
their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess
the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Luke, "
1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a
city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man
whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name
was Mary.
1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art
highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in
her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found
favour with God.
1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a
son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his
kingdom there shall be no end.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Matthew, "
4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he
departed into Galilee; 4:13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in
Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and
Nephthalim: 4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias
the prophet, saying, 4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of
Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the
Gentiles; 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and
to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung
up.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Deuteronomy,
2:1 Then we turned, and took our journey into the wilderness by the
way of the Red sea, as the LORD spake unto me: and we compassed mount
Seir many days.
2:2 And the LORD spake unto me, saying, 2:3 Ye have compassed this
mountain long enough: turn you northward.
2:4 And command thou the people, saying, Ye are to pass through the
coast of your brethren the children of Esau, which dwell in Seir; and
they shall be afraid of you: take ye good heed unto yourselves
therefore: 2:5 Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their
land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount
Seir unto Esau for a possession.
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2:16 So it came to pass, when all the men of war were consumed and
dead from among the people, 2:17 That the LORD spake unto me, saying,
2:18 Thou art to pass over through Ar, the coast of Moab, this day:
2:19 And when thou comest nigh over against the children of Ammon,
distress them not, nor meddle with them: for I will not give thee of
the land of the children of Ammon any possession; because I have given
it unto the children of Lot for a possession.
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2:28 Thou shalt sell me meat for money, that I may eat; and give me
water for money, that I may drink: only I will pass through on my
feet; 2:29 (As the children of Esau which dwell in Seir, and the
Moabites which dwell in Ar, did unto me;) until I shall pass over
Jordan into the land which the LORD our God giveth us.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Chronicles, "
20:10 And now, behold, the children of Ammon and Moab and mount Seir,
whom thou wouldest not let Israel invade, when they came out of the
land of Egypt, but they turned from them, and destroyed them not;
20:11 Behold, I say, how they reward us, to come to cast us out of thy
possession, which thou hast given us to inherit.
20:12 O our God, wilt thou not judge them? for we have no might
against this great company that cometh against us; neither know we
what to do: but our eyes are upon thee.
20:13 And all Judah stood before the LORD, with their little ones,
their wives, and their children.
20:14 Then upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the
son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph,
came the Spirit of the LORD in the midst of the congregation; 20:15
And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem,
and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid
nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not
yours, but God's.
", bible verses end.
Bible.2Chronicles, "
25:11 And Amaziah strengthened himself, and led forth his people, and
went to the valley of salt, and smote of the children of Seir ten
thousand.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Genesis.21.1-21, "
21:1 And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto
Sarah as he had spoken.
21:2 For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at
the set time of which God had spoken to him.
21:3 And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him,
whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.
21:4 And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as
God had commanded him.
21:5 And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born
unto him.
21:6 And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear
will laugh with me.
21:7 And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham, that Sarah should
have given children suck? for I have born him a son in his old age.
21:8 And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great
feast the same day that Isaac was weaned.
21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born
unto Abraham, mocking.
21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her
son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even
with Isaac.
21:11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of
his son.
21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight
because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah
hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy
seed be called.
21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation,
because he is thy seed.
21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a
bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder,
and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in
the wilderness of Beersheba.
21:15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child
under one of the shrubs.
21:16 And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off,
as it were a bow shot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the
child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.
21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called
to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar?
fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.
21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will
make him a great nation.
21:19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she
went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the
wilderness, and became an archer.
21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him
a wife out of the land of Egypt.
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Quran.5.3, "
…..This day have I perfected for you your religion and
completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a
religion…..
", quran verse ends.
Bukhari.5.59.574, "
Narrated Ibn Abbas :
The Prophet left Medina (for Mecca) in the company of ten-thousand
(Muslim warriors) in (the month of) Ramadan, and that was eight and a
half years after his migration to Medina. He and the Muslims who were
with him, proceeded on their way to Mecca. He was fasting and they
were fasting, but when they reached a place called Al-Kadid which was
a place of water between 'Usfan and Kudaid, he broke his fast and so
did they. (Az-Zuhri said, "One should take the last action of Allah's
Apostle and leave his early action (while taking a verdict.")
", hadith ends.
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On 29 apr, 09:16, Awais Nazir <waqas.fah...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: God is actively communicating with us through messengership,
(www.awais-nazir.biz).
OK God made the world but didn't want us to know.
So let's make him happy and believe his setup!
If an omnipotent God exists who wants me to believe in him, I would
I don't for he doesn't!
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April 2008
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I would not know anything about that
As far as I can tell, he has been silent for over a thousand years.
He can call me if he wants too: 31204539071 |
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On Apr 28, 12:38 am, Awais Nazir <waqas.fah...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I don’t know about other planets, but for earth, humans are the first
material intelligent beings on Earth, and came on earth not more than
ten thousand years ago.
Earth is 4-billion years old, as uranium-dating proves.
Reason 1: Humans are clever, they don't take tens of thousands of
years to develop scientifically, thus it also flaws the current
perception that humanity genes are stable for atleast past two hundred
thousand years ago.
Reason 2: a simple human intelligence can produce pottery, they should
have been well a few hundred thousand years ago. But we do not find
Pottery before ten-thousand years ago.
Reason 3: Archeology record suggests agriculture to come into scene in
just last ten thousand years, (Is human as dumb that for tens of
thousands of years they were just hunting?). Intuition says that if
there would be a first society, then it would be both hunters/farmers.
If Archeology says that agriculture started about ten-thousand years
ago, then humanity should have come about ten-thousand years ago, on
Earth.
Reason 4: Archeologists find that organised housed suddenly appeared
about ten thousand years ago, (Are humans dumb enough, that they lived
for tens of thousands of years just roaming the earth, without proper
place to settle).
Reason 5: First chinese writing came in about 1500 BC, and that first
American writing came in about 800 BC by the Zapotec people, first
Egypt writing came in about 3100 BC, (Are humans that dumb, that they
never wrote the previous socalled many tens of thousands of years).
These dates show that, the first humans should come about 10-thousand
years ago, so that they gain enough population/experience to
effectively run the commerce/government through writing.
Reason 6: Geneticists had mathematically proved that, the human gene
is stable for twenty million years into future! with current mutation
rates. Now the question is: how can a socalled series of evolution
from last couple of hundred of thousands of years, from ape to man
halt abruptly for next 20 million years?. (Monkey to man is a great
socalled leap forward in genes. Genes are so so so stable that we can
find even today the species which also existed billions of years old
in fossil records; we are making a very big statement when we say that
monkey gene became human gene in a couple of tens of thousands of
years).
Reason 7: The mesopotamian scientific trend occured about twenty-
seventh century BC, of Greece about third century BC, of Muslim about
tenth century AD, of European about Sixteenth Century BC. What rule
joins them? every next trend occured after a previous one, nearly
after half the time period between previous two trends. For example,
Meso-Greece period in 25 centuries, Greece-Muslim period is twelve and
half centuries, muslim-european period is about six centuries, and so
next trend should occur at about three centuries latter from sixteenth
centures, ie ninteenth century (which is the American Science Period).
If I call the first Science Period as Adamic, then Adamic SP should
occur about 7700 BC (approx. 8000 BC), i.e. about ten-thousand years
ago. Conclusion: The first Science Period was Adamic and it occurred
about 8000 BC. (Anthropologists suggest that the current humans, i.e.
homo-sapians, were existant on earth for atleast 200 thousand years,
according to their calculations; thus, the intelligence which humans
currently possess, was with humans for atleast 200 thousand years.
But, humanity would be colonizing other galaxies, had it been of the
age of 200 thousand years.). Humans are not dumb that they take many
tens of thousands of years to develop population/scientifically.
Reason 8: Summerian and Egyptian Civilizations started about 3500 BC;
Indus and Minoan and Akkadian and Andes Cvilisations started about
2500 BC; Chinese Civilization started about 2200 BC; doesn't it all
hint: if it took 5000-years for human to develop from past Egyptian
civilization to the development that is now, then about 5000-thousand
years should have took from a first human pair to develop into
Egyptian civilization, totalling 10-thousand years of human existence
on earth, (It is as evident as is sun).
Reason 9: Now, Pyramids as in Egypt/Amerindian can exist for many ten-
thousands of years. If humanity has an age of more than ten-thousand
years, then it can safely be argued that there should exist similar
more societies like Egyptian/Amerindian, and thus a multitude of
pyramids covering the earth, each showing its history; but we can't
find such sustaining structures as pyramids preceding the time about
3-4 thousand years ago. This all shows that, no bias: Egyptian/
Amerindian were the first to make Pyramids, if humanity was more than
ten-thousand years in age then similar pyramids should have been found
but there exist none, thus humanity can't be more than ten-thousand
years in age; no bias: God is needed to create the intelligent
creature as a human. (It is not that Stone structures before 10-
thousand years decayed, because stone/bone/fossils can date millions/
billions of years).
It may be argued that ice-age thawed about ten-thousand years ago, and
that's why one saw agriculture/etc thriving after it, (but equator
never faced the bitter of ice, so civilization should have continued
at equator, nullifying the previous argument).
God modified the mamal gene to make human. Proof? Appendix has no work
in humans, but still exists, but is required in many other mammals.
Also, sea-plant is almost 85% human gene.
The skelatons we find toaday of so-called prehumans are actually
monkeys.
The rate of the human growing has not been constant, the rate is much
higher now because of advanced medical facilities. So, if we take this
rate as constant, then this is not the right approach.
Now, there are two things, wars and famines. Which of them puts an
upper limit to the human population? Inconclusively, it is famine, not
war. Reason: war was almost common throughout the world, but famine
was more widespread in places where there is less vegetation; So,
India/China are majors in population not because they faced less wars
in past, but that they had less famines, compared to other
countries.Conclusion: wars don't diminish the human population, if it
does then it is immediately healed, but that food limits the human
population. So, we can't say that it were cannibals in past that is
why it took humanity many tens of thousands of years to develop
population/scientifically.
If incest continues of 8 generations, then the people becomes
different from eachother, as if they belong to different races. I will
not say Incest, but that different places shut people off from
eachother, and they became different after some generations. The Black
in Africa, and Blond is Sweden, occurred, because a Blond in Africa
died an early death due to ultra-violet sun ray harm, and same for the
Balck in Sweden where it died of lack of Vitamin-D.
Anti-thesis: human beings can't be from this earth, because about ten-
thousand years ago, sudden intelligence came on the surface of Earth.
So, what if Aliens came to earth about ten-thousand years ago, now
called as humans? It is very less probable, because why aliens came
not in the 4-billion history of earth and only in last ten-thousand
years? Also, Aliens most probably had to die because they are not
immune to earthly bectarias/etc. This is just one INDIRECT EVIDENCE.
There are many such other Indirect evidences at my website,www.awais-nazir..biz.
Despite the fact that I had proved the landing of Adam on Earth, ten-
thousand years ago, current Science has difficulty accepting it,
because, it then has to accept the existance of God.
Atheists say that this world is by chance; Well, what if, god intended
this world to appear as such, for some reason?
Conclusion: if this was the only INDIRECT EVIDENCE, then I would have
neglected it, but there are a host of such INDIRECT EVIDENCES
reinforcing eachother, and thus can't be ignored, especially when
chapters 5, 8, and 9 provides the evidence of the DIRECT INTERVENTION
by God.
reference:www.awais-nazir.biz
It is not uranium-dating it is called 'carbon dating'. The story of
your life, you got it wrong from the beginning. Kill yourself so you
can prove you were right. |
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