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elsiemelsi
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:31 am
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the australian philosopher colin leslie dean points out that Mathematics is
systems of epistemological holisim
set theory
arithmetics
geometry
algebra
etc
are systems of epistemological holisim

epistemological holism means



a systems statement coher ie dont contradict with every other statement in
the system A systems statements interlock they share a common logic and
are involved enblock in every proof.A systems statements face the
tribunal of proof as a corporate body of statements. A systems
statements about mathematics face the tribunal of proof not
individually but only as a corporate body.


thus
if a statement contradicts another statement then the system as a
corporate body enblock falls apart into inconsistency

hence skolems paradox reduces set theory thus ZFC to inconsistency

ALSO
a systems statements face the tribunal of proof as a corporate body of
statements. A systems statements about mathematics face the tribunal of
proof not individually but only as a corporate body.


thus systems which are incomplete ie there is one statement that cant be
proven then the system enblock cant prove anything

thus the systems ZFC, PA, Q due to there, incompleteness cant prove
anything

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John Jones
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:36 am
Joined: 26 Oct 2004 Posts: 4263
elsiemelsi wrote:
Quote:
the australian philosopher colin leslie dean points out that Mathematics is
systems of epistemological holisim
set theory
arithmetics
geometry
algebra
etc
are systems of epistemological holisim

epistemological holism means



a systems statement coher ie dont contradict with every other statement in
the system A systems statements interlock they share a common logic and
are involved enblock in every proof.A systems statements face the
tribunal of proof as a corporate body of statements. A systems
statements about mathematics face the tribunal of proof not
individually but only as a corporate body.


thus
if a statement contradicts another statement then the system as a
corporate body enblock falls apart into inconsistency

hence skolems paradox reduces set theory thus ZFC to inconsistency

ALSO
a systems statements face the tribunal of proof as a corporate body of
statements. A systems statements about mathematics face the tribunal of
proof not individually but only as a corporate body.


thus systems which are incomplete ie there is one statement that cant be
proven then the system enblock cant prove anything

thus the systems ZFC, PA, Q due to there, incompleteness cant prove
anything

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Quine thought that logic itself is not fixed because logic must
accommodate real, physical events.

By the way, there can be no proof of a closed holistic system.
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elsiemelsi
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:31 am
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j jones says
By the way, there can be no proof of a closed holistic system.
i say
dean did not say closed he only said holistic

by which he means

For holism is where there is a proper fit of statements within a system.
This involves 1) the statements coher with each other ie there is logical
consistency This condition is met by mathematical systems thus they are
holistic

2)statements give mutual inferential support to each other. This
condition is met by mathematical systems thus they are holistic

as a corollary

Thus a systems statements face the tribunal of proof as a corporate
body of statements. A systems statements about mathematics face the
tribunal of proof not individually but only as a corporate body

mathematics fit an holistic system quite well

thus systems which are incomplete ie ZFC Q PA etc

cannot prove anything

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elsiemelsi
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:40 am
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j jones says

Quine thought that logic itself is not fixed because logic must
accommodate real, physical events.

i say
colin leslie dean has delt with Quines views about changing the laws of
logic in regard to his account of epistemological holism

go read

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/books/philosophy/quine.pdf

A consequence of the epistemological holism of Quine and a
realist/revisionist interpretation of quantum logic: skepticism



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Rupert
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:28 pm
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On Apr 27, 10:31 pm, "elsiemelsi" <cyprin...@nosam.yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
the australian philosopher colin leslie dean points out that Mathematics is
systems of epistemological holisim
set theory
arithmetics
geometry
algebra
etc
are systems of epistemological holisim

epistemological holism means

a systems statement coher ie dont contradict with every other statement in
the system A systems  statements interlock  they share a common logic and
are  involved enblock in every proof.A  systems  statements  face the
tribunal of  proof as a corporate body of statements. A systems  
statements about mathematics face the tribunal of  proof   not
individually but only as a corporate body.

thus
if a statement contradicts another statement then the system as a
corporate body enblock falls apart into inconsistency

hence skolems paradox reduces set theory thus ZFC to inconsistency

ALSO
a systems  statements  face the tribunal of  proof as a corporate body of
statements. A systems   statements about mathematics face the tribunal of
proof   not individually but only as a corporate body.

thus systems which are incomplete ie there is  one statement that cant be
proven then the system   enblock cant prove anything

thus  the systems ZFC,  PA, Q due to there, incompleteness cant prove
anything

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I thought ZFC was inconsistent and Q was not incomplete.
 
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