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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:02:50 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

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In article <ab1fcb35-3296-4464-b525-
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On 28 apr, 02:10, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <e2v9141e4knuarvt71abciaebi235gu...@4ax.com>, To-Email-
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:44:06 -0400, Fred Bloggs <nos...@nospam.com
wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
[...snip typical moronic nonsense sniping...]

You don't know anything about electronics, you're too stupid to learn,
and you have nothing useful to say, so why do you post here?

Gaw-w-w-w-wd!  What is that smell?  Is that YOU Bloggsy?  Forgot to
wipe again ?:-)

He doesn't wipe his ears.

Depressing exhibition of the wit and wisdom of Jim and his acolytes.

Hell, Slow, why bother reading us to be depressed. You over-
educated unemployable leftist weenies do that well enough by
yourselves.

This posting was properly flagged as "WHON", my code-word subject tag
for any fellow-up to a Bloggsy-originated sub-thread ;-)

Umm, Jim. If you care to look back through the threadlet, you were
already in it before I joined. ;-)

I wasn't picking on you, Keith... just amusing myself that my filters
are working just super. I'm about to dispense with personally
watching the Flags/labeling, and let Agent have its way with the
messages ;-)

I wasn't worried about being picked on, just that the your filters
should have snagged a bigger fish, first.

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote

That really seems like a stretch.
Agreed.

(This is a rhetorical statement) If you knew it was a stretch, then why did
you post this as an argument about using toilet paper?

Learning to make cars, cameras, robots, tractors and battleships
doesn't require innovation, if you can find somebody else who is
already making them

I have to disagree with you here.

 All the tooling and planning and material sciences required to do any
of these things require innovation from the technicians to the machinists to
the engineers the the welders and builders.

Making them better than the originals by a
process of steady refinement presumably does involve lots of small
innovations,

I think that it shows an entire workforce that is capable of substantial
innovation.

but these don't criticise the way other Japanese chose to
do the job in the past. There is an implicit criticism of the
improvisations of the slap-dash round-eyes who invented the stuff in
the first place, but the Japanese are perfectly happy to criticise
foreigners.

I do not know how the Japanese view competition from say Nisson to Toyota,
but based upon their successes and based upon human nature,

they must fiercely compete with each other and not be afraid to criticize their
Japanese competition.

 Their success would lead me to believe they are all
to happy to criticize and out do one another.

 Now, you could convince me
that during the Russian Communist economy in the USSR that one tractor
factory was not allowed to criticize another.

 Their lack of innovation seemed to show, but I suspect that in reality the Russians are good
innovators too, they just suck at politics.

"> "John Fields" <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote



Not to open old wounds but why, then, did they need to enlist the
services of the likes of the Rosenbergs and Klaus Fuchs if they could
have done it by themselves?

Here is an opinion of Russian innovation that lines up with your opinion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNC-aj76zI4&feature=related

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote


Not to open old wounds but why, then, did they need to enlist the
services of the likes of the Rosenbergs and Klaus Fuchs if they could
have done it by themselves?


I suspect that the Rosenberg's got them to the party quicker, but they would
have made it there themselves. Time was a precious commodity for the
Russians at that time.

I believe we used Von Braun to get our rockets up.

"> "John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote


Not to open old wounds but why, then, did they need to enlist the
services of the likes of the Rosenbergs and Klaus Fuchs if they could
have done it by themselves?


Here is an opinion of Russian innovation that lines up with your opinion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNC-aj76zI4&feature=related