The latest issue (May) of Sicentific American has a good article on
the violent process of collisions by which the planets in our Solar
System formed. It is a violent universe! We are lucky to be here.
Other Earth-like planets with whatever life they had may have been
plunged into the fires of the Sun. Others may have been expelled from
the Solar System into the darkness of interstellar space, their frozen
oceans, and perhaps spores of life, forever waiting for a planetry
spring that never comes.

In another article, besides the Pioneer anomolies, other anomolies
have been detected in the motions of long range probes as they come
back and pass the Earth's gravitational field. They end up moving
either slower or faster than Einstein's theory of graviation (GR)
would predict! This raises the question of whether a better theory of
gravitation is needed. SPED anyone?

Double-A

In another article, besides the Pioneer anomolies, other anomolies
have been detected in the motions of long range probes as they come
back and pass the Earth's gravitational field.  They end up moving
either slower or faster than Einstein's theory of graviation (GR)
would predict!

Of course they do, because the present 'flat' version of GR describes

 This raises the question of whether a better theory of
gravitation is needed.  SPED anyone?

Yeah. Recognizing the fact of *density gradients* in the SPED will not

On Apr 26, 1:50 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

In another article, besides the Pioneer anomolies, other anomolies
have been detected in the motions of long range probes as they come
back and pass the Earth's gravitational field. They end up moving
either slower or faster than Einstein's theory of graviation (GR)
would predict!

Of course they do, because the present 'flat' version of GR describes
a universally-isotropic 'void-nothing' devoid of *density gradients*
in gravity wells.

This raises the question of whether a better theory of
gravitation is needed. SPED anyone?

Yeah. Recognizing the fact of *density gradients* in the SPED will not
only bring GR out of its 'flat' status, but recognizing the deep-past
*cosmological density gradient* will bring SR out of ITS 'flat' status
and lay to rest the "ever-accelerating expansion of the universe"
crap.

Sounds a bit like a physics/science kind of revision, of the good ship
LOLLIPOP kind of status quo boat rocking revisions.

Well, the perceived "ever-accelerating expansion" calls for the ad hoc

Sounds a bit like a physics/science kind of revision, of the good ship
LOLLIPOP kind of status quo boat rocking revisions.

Well, the perceived "ever-accelerating expansion" calls for the ad hoc
invention of "dark energy" to drive the expansion.

And it's all based
on the assumption that space is a universally-isotropic 'void-nothing'
all the way back to the instant of the BB.
But if space is a profoundly real 'Something', a Fluid,
that underwent a precipitous density drop from the instant of the BB
that gradually leveled out to its present value, this would be termed
the 'cosmological density gradient' (CDG). And it would indeed account
for the most distant 1a supernova 'standard candles' appearing 'dimmer
than they should be'. "Ever-accelerating expansion" would become a
grand illusion, with no need for mythical "dark energy" at all. The
expansion curve would be shifted toward DEcelerating expansion and a
closed universe.

AND there would be a slowing of the clock rate
across the CDG as these guys recognize :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/12/18/sci...
While their model abolishes any need for "dark energy", it
extrapolates to the eventual stoppage of time altogether, which is
impossible in the real universe.

I tend to like the closed universe...
that's... always connected in a loop.

A closed-loop system is exactly what the CBB model proposes. The freon

I tend to like the closed universe...
that's... always connected in a loop.

A closed-loop system is exactly what the CBB model proposes. The freon
cycle in a common 'fridgerator provides an excellent analogy, replete
with its 'hot' and 'cold' phases illustrating the pre-BB state and the
whole externalized universe, respectively. See -http://community-2.webtv.net/oldcoot/ContinuousBigBang/

Notice the little embedded 'marble' (#1), representing the sphere of
our visible cosmos, the 'known universe'. In the freon analogy, that
sphere would be represented by a cluster of freon molecules wending
its way from the 'bang' point toward the final 'crunch' of re-
ingestion back into the compressor.
Notice that two distinct referance frames are
involved. From here inside the 'marble', a finite beginning-point and
end-point, the BB and 'Big Crunch', are experienced. But from the
'outside' frame, the whole process is seen, with each phase running
continuously at its own station on the cycle. Thus the CBB model
subsumes but does not negate the 'singular BB' idea.

And incidently, the model proposed by Senovilla et al is congruent
with the 'cosmological density gradient' of the CBB model. That is,
there would be a precipitous slowing of the clock rate from the
instant of the BB.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/12/18/sci...

So, what does this say about the perceived "age of the universe" ???

Vastly more 'ticks of the clock' will have transpired than allowed
under the Void-Space Paradigm which recognizes no 'cosmological
density gradient' or slowing of the clock-rate across said gradient.

So, how many hundred billion years old (your best swag) is our
universe?

A hellava lot more than the 14 billion or so presently assumed

So, how many hundred billion years old (your best swag) is our
universe?

A hellava lot more than the 14 billion or so presently assumed
(referring to the age of our 'decoupled marble' sphere of visibility
since it emerged from the BB).

The latest issue (May) of Sicentific American has a good article on
the violent process of collisions by which the planets in our Solar
System formed. It is a violent universe! We are lucky to be here.
Other Earth-like planets with whatever life they had may have been
plunged into the fires of the Sun. Others may have been expelled from
the Solar System into the darkness of interstellar space, their frozen
oceans, and perhaps spores of life, forever waiting for a planetry
spring that never comes.

In another article, besides the Pioneer anomolies, other anomolies
have been detected in the motions of long range probes as they come
back and pass the Earth's gravitational field. They end up moving
either slower or faster than Einstein's theory of graviation (GR)
would predict! This raises the question of whether a better theory of
gravitation is needed. SPED anyone?

Double-A

The latest issue (May) of Sicentific American has a good article on
the violent process of collisions by which the planets in our Solar
System formed. It is a violent universe! We are lucky to be here.
Other Earth-like planets with whatever life they had may have been
plunged into the fires of the Sun. Others may have been expelled from
the Solar System into the darkness of interstellar space, their frozen
oceans, and perhaps spores of life, forever waiting for a planetry
spring that never comes.

In another article, besides the Pioneer anomolies, other anomolies
have been detected in the motions of long range probes as they come
back and pass the Earth's gravitational field. They end up moving
either slower or faster than Einstein's theory of graviation (GR)
would predict! This raises the question of whether a better theory of
gravitation is needed. SPED anyone?

Double-A