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Benj
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:43 pm
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On Apr 26, 5:49 pm, "Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote:

Quote:
Yes, but you're all so predictable, so mind controlled, so under the thumb
as it were. What good little new world order subjects ...just the way you
were meant to be.
They have written and ok'd all the science books, all the geology books and
created all the "approved" theories for centuries.
I can guarantee you that not one of you has actually read anything on the
hollow earth theory, and why proponents think its hollow.

Come on Carole! You are being FAR too hard on these jerks! They
aren't mind controlled, they are simply doing their jobs! Their jobs
are simply to scan for people talking about inappropriate subjects, to
accuse them of being insane, and assert that everything they are
saying is dead wrong. The average person will simply accept that on
face value. They will never question upon what authority the person
saying the facts are wrong can make such an assertion and be credible.
They will never question the accusation that the person making
inappropriate claims is insane. Furthermore such accusations
intimidates them all for they will fear that if they join in the
discussion they TOO will be accused of being "insane". Hence it's a
very nice way to squelch all conversations and investigations into
"inconvenient" subjects. Which of course is why they are all paid
good money to do this.

Quote:
For one thing, there is NO north or south pole. The point where the compass
points downward is a big circle 1000 km or so in circumference -- so its not
a point but an actual line or a magnetic circle. The slope that goes into
the hole at the north pole graduates so slightly that people don't notice
when they're in it. The aurora boralis is the light from the inner sun which
gets broken up like a prism when it shines through the fog in the hole.
Other facts are that when explorers go past a certain latitude 75 deg or
whatever, the temperature begins to warm up and many explorers have noticed
that. Also as you go north there are insects, pollen, and bird life.

Well, this is hard stuff to prove. Even HARDER given that we must
assume that very powerful people have a vested interest in making sure
NOBODY proves it! It's not so easy to a person to grab a dog sled and
head for 75 degrees latitude. It's not easy to even fly over the
region. Space pictures can't help you because they would clearly all
be retouched. So the real question is how does one prove the
government is conspiring. Even if you are the level of John Lear and
have access to the planes to prove something, if you actually got the
pictures, probably you'd quickly be dead and the photos safely stored
in some underground warehouse. My best guess is that most likely way
this will come out will be when some of those INSIDE the conspiracy,
suddenly realize that Satan always seeks the destruction of EVERYONE
and that includes those inside as well as those outsider.

Quote:
Do some reading. I dare you.

Reading? Wait a minute. You haven't looked around at Education lately
have you?

Quote:
And what does anybody actually know about all the DUMBS (deep underground
military bases) around the world which amount to well over 100. What goes on
in them?

We know virtually nothing about what goes on under the ground except what
they want us to know.

And this is surprising how? Just because something is secret doesn't
mean it's automatically evil. On the other hand if you believe FDR
that "nothing in politics ever happens by accident", then you have to
assume that those in power who control the "events" in politics must
always stay one step ahead of what is "accepted technology" and
"accepted history" in the general population. If they are not far
enough ahead, the people might start to guess how tightly controlled
seemingly random political events actually are.

So how does one reveal such things? It's not very easy, and even less
easy to be successful at it given that if you say too much and have
too much proof, you'll likely be found as having committed "suicide"
by three shots to the back of the head. And Oh yeah, all those papers
you were carrying seem to have disappeared.

Pleasant dreams Carole!

PS. Bad news paid "loon callers"! Google can now be set up with
killfiles and YOU are in them!
Benj
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:53 pm
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On Apr 27, 3:20 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:

Quote:
You have a computer. You can build your own seismometer. (You should
build your own instead of getting a "real" one. You could build it from
a kit: that way you can examine all the parts and confirm that it works
as advertised.) Gather your own data. Think about what seismic waves
should look like when they come from earthquakes in various different
places in the world, both with and without a hollow Earth. Compare the
data with your hypotheses and come to your own conclusions.

Sure, building your own seismometer is a great idea. Of course the
interpretation of what you see there is a bit less than trivial.

Quote:
But there is one reason why you should NOT build your own seismometer.
As long as you have not gathered and analyzed your own data, you can, in
ignorance, believe whatever you want about the "secrets" of the interior
of the Earth. If you build a seismometer, you will have to come the
conclusion that the Earth is solid (as in not hollow) and abandon your
hollow-earth hypothesis.

And your assertion that the earth is solid is based on what
credentials and hard data? Please post references to the appropriate
scientific articles showing this. And then please discuss for us your
interpretation of the data showing how "spoofing" generators suggested
as a theory in another post simply cannot be producing the data in
question. With only a simple assertion by you of what is "truth" your
opinions remain as hollow as the hollow earth!
Benj
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:04 pm
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On Apr 27, 4:49 am, David Moss <q0320...@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
wrote:
Quote:
"Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote innews:48137c5c$0$1604$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:

Yes, I know what you're going to say ... gere she goes again with one
of her whacky theories.
But is it really so whacky?

Yep.
Ask someone who has studied physics about mass and gravity.

I'm glad you noted that it's "personal opinion only". And the best
you seem to come up with is "proof by assertion"! Please show your
credentials so we may decide if you have any credibility at all!

And as for "asking someone who has studied about mass and gravity" I
guess I'd qualify for that one. So is the theory "whacky"?
Well, hard to tell. It certainly doesn't break any laws of physics
and is definitely not any MORE "whacky" than the theory (widely
accepted by science) that the earth has a core of molten iron. There
is just about as much proof of that one as there is of proof of a
"hollow earth"! The only difference is that the "core" of the planet
is about as hard to reach as the "hollow part". That makes both
theories equally unprovable except by inference. But if we assume
that for some reason those in power have a vested interest in
discrediting the hollow earth theory, that makes proof of that one
exceptionally difficult and ALSO throws the "iron core" theory into
doubt as well, given that one must assume that ALL data out there has
been fudged and "spun" for political purposes!
Skywise
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:31 pm
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Jim Willemin <jim***willemin@hot***mail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9A8E92D22DE27jimwillemingmailcom@216.196.97.131:

Quote:
Please, before you cut and paste more drivel, do a little checking, OK?

When I first read this sentence, I thought you said to "do a
little CHOKING" heheheheh

Brian
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Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Landy
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:34 pm
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"Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message
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"Peter Webb" <webbfamily@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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..


Chapter II
THE HOLLOW EARTH
http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/Underground-Bases/Hollow-Earth/adml
byrd.txt

The total surface of the Earth is 197 million square miles and its
estimated
weight is six sextillion tons. If the Earth was a solid sphere, its weight
would be much greater.

It is - you're only out by a factor of 1000 - but don't let that worry your
idiotic brain.
6x10^24 = 6 heptillion if you wish to use a dubious/ambiguous way of quoting
it.
cheers
Bill
Jim Willemin
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:15 pm
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"Landy" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in
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"Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message
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"Peter Webb" <webbfamily@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Chapter II
THE HOLLOW EARTH
http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/Underground-Bases/Hollow-
Eart
h/adml byrd.txt

The total surface of the Earth is 197 million square miles and its
estimated
weight is six sextillion tons. If the Earth was a solid sphere, its
weight would be much greater.

It is - you're only out by a factor of 1000 - but don't let that worry
your idiotic brain.
6x10^24 = 6 heptillion if you wish to use a dubious/ambiguous way of
quoting it.
cheers
Bill



um - Bill - that's 6 x 10^24 kg, or 6 x 10^21 metric tonnes...
sir.jean-paul.turcaudbot
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:41 pm
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:51:36 -0700, Timberwoof wrote:


Quote:
And you want us to take you seriously?

Do you really expect me to take you seriously?

WELLDONE! Yep!
John Kepler
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:48 pm
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Quote:
1. The idea that somehow someone is ALWAYS going to tell about a
conspiracy is moronic. The higher the conspiracy, the MORE MORONIC it
is! The whole purpose of a conspiracy is to get away with deception.
People who do this are VERY clever, Very imaginative, and completely
without morality or ethics. Usually they are politicians which means
they are expert liars as well.

You ever dealt with Social Security? How about MSHA? The Veterans
Administration? Sparkey, "expert" and "politician", or worse, "government
employee" in the same sentence may just be the ultimate oxymoron! I mean,
Dude....these are the people that actually DO buy $500 hammers and can't
move a letter across town in less than a fortnight. Hell.....how much
individual data did ONE little moron in the VA compromise by letting his
lappy get boosted? How about shipping nuclear detonators to Korea instead
of helicopter parts? "James Bond" is ridiculous fantasy....."Cliff Clavin"
and "Newman" are a LOT closer to reality!

So you are going to stand there with a
Quote:
straight face and tell us that a conspiracy backed by all the money,
power and personnel of the government (or other major power grouping)
that is willing to simply kill anyone who crosses them, who controls
all the media everything released publically about it can't keep
something secret?

You got it one! The problem always centers on that eternal piece of the
human animal defined by...."What's in it for me?" Why is it in my best
interest to keep my mouth shut, and what risks do I run if I don't. I know
people that would sell their sisters for $500, and pimp her himself for One
Large. Judas "made" the equation for roughly a Yard, knowing full-well it
would cost him his soul. If that "conspiracy" leaked like sieve, what makes
you think that one as asinine as this one is going to be so damn
"air-tight"? Hell, kids were making plastic models of the F-117 5 years
before the Spooks showed it to anybody! The most "super-secret" intel
satellites the US every built were the multi-billion dollar KH-11's.....the
Soviets had a full set of specs and the operating manual 16 months after the
first one was launched! Joe Stalin knew about the success of the
super-secret "Trinity" atom-bomb test before Harry Truman did!

"Who needs to pay for "human intel" on the Western aviation industry when
you can read all about it in "Aviation Week" for a subscription that costs
less than a dinner in London!" Y. Andropov


Just how stupid are you?

Not stupid enough to believe that any conspiracy with a membership greater
than one has less than a 50-50 chance of having a leak....as the membership
of the conspiricy grows arithmetically, the leak potential grows
exponentially

Quote:
Just who do you think you are fooling?

Why YOU, obviously!

John
>
Stuart
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:12 pm
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On Apr 28, 2:53 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 27, 3:20 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:

You have a computer. You can build your own seismometer. (You should
build your own instead of getting a "real" one. You could build it from
a kit: that way you can examine all the parts and confirm that it works
as advertised.) Gather your own data. Think about what seismic waves
should look like when they come from earthquakes in various different
places in the world, both with and without a hollow Earth. Compare the
data with your hypotheses and come to your own conclusions.

Sure, building your own seismometer is a great idea. Of course the
interpretation of what you see there is a bit less than trivial.

But there is one reason why you should NOT build your own seismometer.
As long as you have not gathered and analyzed your own data, you can, in
ignorance, believe whatever you want about the "secrets" of the interior
of the Earth. If you build a seismometer, you will have to come the
conclusion that the Earth is solid (as in not hollow) and abandon your
hollow-earth hypothesis.

And your assertion that the earth is solid is based on what
credentials and hard data? Please post references to the appropriate
scientific articles showing this. And then please discuss for us your
interpretation of the data showing how "spoofing" generators suggested
as a theory in another post simply cannot be producing the data in
question. With only a simple assertion by you of what is "truth" your
opinions remain as hollow as the hollow earth!

Get an X-ray of your skull and prove there's more than just a peanut
inside
and that those results aren't fabricated by spoofing generators.

Stuart
sir.jean-paul.turcaudbot
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:28 pm
Guest
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:50:16 -0700, Timberwoof wrote:


Quote:
The hollo-earth hypothesis is vastly more unrealistic. Your expect us to
believe that there are tube-shaped holes that reach from the surface at
the poles to the hollow interior, wide enough for the north and south
ends of the Earth to look "flattened"[1], but without any seismic
evidence for their existence.

A great many structures in nature are hollow. Why must planets be
different?

As I pointed out in an earlier post, the seismic evidence you are touting
is easily cooked, the presence of physical modeling systems can explain
this.

Quote:
How do we know the earth is "flattened at the poles"? Satellite data?
How come no satellites, even privately-owned ones, have seen these
holes. Could you find them on Google Earth?

Google Earth is itself a simulation - do you expect us to accept a
simulation as evidence?
Timberwoof
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:02 am
Guest
In article
<6803df5e-d192-4ea9-911d-7183769101c0@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Apr 27, 4:49 am, David Moss <q0320...@mail.connect.usq.edu.au
wrote:
"Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote
innews:48137c5c$0$1604$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:

Yes, I know what you're going to say ... gere she goes again with one
of her whacky theories.
But is it really so whacky?

Yep.
Ask someone who has studied physics about mass and gravity.

I'm glad you noted that it's "personal opinion only". And the best
you seem to come up with is "proof by assertion"! Please show your
credentials so we may decide if you have any credibility at all!

And as for "asking someone who has studied about mass and gravity" I
guess I'd qualify for that one. So is the theory "whacky"?
Well, hard to tell. It certainly doesn't break any laws of physics

I'll grant you that. However, it raises some serious questions about how
it was formed.

Quote:
and is definitely not any MORE "whacky" than the theory (widely
accepted by science) that the earth has a core of molten iron. There
is just about as much proof of that one as there is of proof of a
"hollow earth"!

Actually, there's quite a bit more evidence for the molten-iron core
than for a hollow core. Plenty of it has been posted in this thread, Did
you read any of it?

Quote:
The only difference is that the "core" of the planet
is about as hard to reach as the "hollow part". That makes both
theories equally unprovable except by inference.

That's a wacky statement. You're basically invalidating any brach of
science that uses observations other than our direct sense. So in other
words, we can't conclude that the sun is fusing hydrogen or that there's
a black hole at the center of the galaxy.

In fact, seismic instruments allow us to learn a lot about the interior
of the earth, as does clever use of Newton's law of gravity and the
moon's orbit. That, too, has been discussed in this thread. Did you miss
it?

Quote:
But if we assume
that for some reason those in power have a vested interest in
discrediting the hollow earth theory, that makes proof of that one
exceptionally difficult and ALSO throws the "iron core" theory into
doubt as well, given that one must assume that ALL data out there has
been fudged and "spun" for political purposes!

You're assuming more than just a conspiracy. You're assuming that the
foundations of science are wrong and that nothing can be learned except
through our senses. Now the thing is that plenty of stuff learned
indirectly has turned out to be correct, so much so that we've developed
a highly advanced technological civilization around those observations.
I would rather believe that than your nihilism.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Timberwoof
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:08 am
Guest
In article
<e6fa35a5-6b29-4f31-9665-3ee51fdd0847@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Apr 27, 3:20 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:

You have a computer. You can build your own seismometer. (You should
build your own instead of getting a "real" one. You could build it from
a kit: that way you can examine all the parts and confirm that it works
as advertised.) Gather your own data. Think about what seismic waves
should look like when they come from earthquakes in various different
places in the world, both with and without a hollow Earth. Compare the
data with your hypotheses and come to your own conclusions.

Sure, building your own seismometer is a great idea. Of course the
interpretation of what you see there is a bit less than trivial.

But there is one reason why you should NOT build your own seismometer.
As long as you have not gathered and analyzed your own data, you can, in
ignorance, believe whatever you want about the "secrets" of the interior
of the Earth. If you build a seismometer, you will have to come the
conclusion that the Earth is solid (as in not hollow) and abandon your
hollow-earth hypothesis.

And your assertion that the earth is solid is based on what
credentials

My credentials? I stay at Holiday Inn and I read Scientific American.
(Of course, because of your assumptions of an academic conspiracy about
all things scientific, my credentials are already discredited, so
there's no point in going over them.)

Quote:
and hard data?
Please post references to the appropriate
scientific articles showing this.

Plenty have been posted in this thread already.

Quote:
And then please discuss for us your
interpretation of the data showing how "spoofing" generators suggested
as a theory in another post simply cannot be producing the data in
question. With only a simple assertion by you of what is "truth" your
opinions remain as hollow as the hollow earth!

In other words, you claim that the conspiracy to hide the hollow Earth
is not limited to academia and the entire petroleum industry, but these
agencies are in league with the Reptoids who put the transducers there.

Unless the entire inner surface of the presumed hollow Earth were
covered with such transducers to a very fine grid, those transducers
would eventually be discerned as localized point sources of seismic
energy.

And even that is not enough to explain the problems of mass and density
which have been posted about in this thread several times and ignored.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Timberwoof
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:13 am
Guest
In article <rVvRj.5938$ko5.3347@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"sir.jean-paul.turcaudbot" <sir.jean-paul.turcaudbot@neuf.fr> wrote:

Quote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:51:36 -0700, Timberwoof wrote:


And you want us to take you seriously?

Do you really expect me to take you seriously?

No, actually, I don't. You're constitutionally incapable of it. If you
took me seriously, you'd suffer a stroke.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Timberwoof
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:14 am
Guest
In article <RtxRj.5973$ko5.45@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"sir.jean-paul.turcaudbot" <sir.jean-paul.turcaudbot@neuf.fr> wrote:

Quote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:50:16 -0700, Timberwoof wrote:


The hollo-earth hypothesis is vastly more unrealistic. Your expect us to
believe that there are tube-shaped holes that reach from the surface at
the poles to the hollow interior, wide enough for the north and south
ends of the Earth to look "flattened"[1], but without any seismic
evidence for their existence.

A great many structures in nature are hollow. Why must planets be
different?

Because they'd fall apart otherwise.

Quote:
As I pointed out in an earlier post, the seismic evidence you are touting
is easily cooked, the presence of physical modeling systems can explain
this.

So build your own network of seismometers and prove it.


Quote:
How do we know the earth is "flattened at the poles"? Satellite data?
How come no satellites, even privately-owned ones, have seen these
holes. Could you find them on Google Earth?

Google Earth is itself a simulation - do you expect us to accept a
simulation as evidence?

Pick any source of satellite photos you want.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Peter Webb
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:21 am
Guest
"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Apr 27, 4:49 am, David Moss <q0320...@mail.connect.usq.edu.au
wrote:
"Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote
innews:48137c5c$0$1604$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:

Yes, I know what you're going to say ... gere she goes again with one
of her whacky theories.
But is it really so whacky?

Yep.
Ask someone who has studied physics about mass and gravity.

I'm glad you noted that it's "personal opinion only". And the best
you seem to come up with is "proof by assertion"! Please show your
credentials so we may decide if you have any credibility at all!


I don't know about Moss, but I have a first class Honours degree in Physics.


Quote:
And as for "asking someone who has studied about mass and gravity" I
guess I'd qualify for that one.

Since you asked, what are your qualifications?

Quote:
So is the theory "whacky"?
Well, hard to tell. It certainly doesn't break any laws of physics
and is definitely not any MORE "whacky" than the theory (widely
accepted by science) that the earth has a core of molten iron. There
is just about as much proof of that one as there is of proof of a
"hollow earth"!

That is absolute bullshit.

There is a huge amount of evidence that suggests that the earth is not
hollow, has a molten metal core, and this core is largely comprised of iron:

1. Seismological studies show that the earth is not hollow, and its core is
molten (it transmits compression but not shear waves. Hollow things would
not transmit any waves; solid things transmit both. We know that the core is
molten).

2. Evidence of the earth's wandering magnetic field, with quick reversals,
which requires a liquid metal dynamo.

3. Direct observation of the density of the earth, which shows it cannot be
hollow but must contain a liquid metal of about the same density as liquid
iron.

4. Simple physics, which would make a hollow sphere completely unstable.
Indeed, physics requires that the heavier things sink and lighter things
float up, consistent with a liquid iron core but inconsistent with a big
hole in the centre.


Quote:
The only difference is that the "core" of the planet
is about as hard to reach as the "hollow part". That makes both
theories equally unprovable except by inference. But if we assume
that for some reason those in power have a vested interest in
discrediting the hollow earth theory, that makes proof of that one
exceptionally difficult and ALSO throws the "iron core" theory into
doubt as well, given that one must assume that ALL data out there has
been fudged and "spun" for political purposes!


Your brain has been spun, but probably not for political purposes.
 
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