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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:22:42 -0700 (PDT), "theloneranger...@aol.com"
theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:

any time it swings to the extremes be it far left or far right its bad

Whitelightning

On Apr 27, 12:53�am, B1ackwater <b...@barrk.net> wrote:





Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger...@aol.com> wrote:
Yup.......The State of Texas is going to pay BIGTIME for this
one.......Donchaknow.........

"Sweep of polygamists' kids raises legal questions

Apr 25, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The state of Texas made a damning accusation
when it rounded up 462 children at a polygamous sect's ranch: The
adults are forcing teenage girls into marriage and sex, creating a
culture so poisonous that none should be allowed to keep their
children.

But the broad sweep - from nursing infants to teenagers - is raising
constitutional questions, even in a state where authorities have wide
latitude for taking a family's children.

The move has the appearance of "a class-action child removal," said
Jessica Dixon, director of the child advocacy center at Southern
Methodist University's law school in Dallas.

"I've never heard of anything like that," she said.

� �I'm glad somebody else sees through the propaganda fog, realizing
� �this is capital-'E' 'Establishment' at work.- Hide quoted text -

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It shows just how much the Government is Out Of Control in this
country.........Using the same "Parameters", the Government can take
Kids out of ANYONE'S Home because they "Could Be" subject to Abuse at
some time during their Childhood...........I predict the State of
Texas will Pay Dearly for this Folly.........And Rightly
So..........Donchaknow........- Hide quoted text -

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  Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S. Govt
  Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
  what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
  they've got the "right" religion too.

You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that.  Your daughter can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an abortion with out
your permision.  You can't punish them short of saying "Please don't do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too.  They get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of their own
making.  And everything wrong in the world is their fault because they are
Americans.  And their idea of the right religion is no religion.

Whitelightning

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:06:15 GMT, "Whitelightning"

white.lightni...@verizon.net> wrote:

"B1ackwater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
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  Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S. Govt
  Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
  what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
  they've got the "right" religion too.

You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that.  Your daughter can have
birth control with out your knowing it,

   Good.

   The "free country" paradigm means that people can
   do things you might not like them to do. If it
   isn't killing you, grin and bear it - and expect
   others to tolerate YOUR personal eccentricities
   as well.

she can have an abortion with out your permision.

   Good.

   Better than her parents trying to turn sex & pregnancy
   into some kind of manipulative talibanistic threat they
   can use against her. Or maybe you admire those 'traditional'
   islamics who just kill 'ruined' daughters ... ?

You can't punish them short of saying "Please don't do that
again",

   Admittedly THAT has been a mistake. The most direct and
   lasting route to a brats brain is, well, from the bottom
   up if you get my meaning. Alas, enough parents took that
   route and more - often, over absolute trivia ... and thus
   "spanking" became synonomous with "beating" and "abuse"
   instead of "education".  

   Of course there WERE some ultralibs involved ... and since
   they figure the only way to sneak-in their totalitarian
   regime is to first undermine the existing system, making
   the kids into total sociopaths beyond all control was a
   smart move.

and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too.

   Proof of barbarism ...  :-)

They get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of their own
making.

   Which is sort-of right, and sort-of wrong. "Deviance" - not
   having to do/think what most do/think - is kinda what America
   is all about, isn't it ? "Free country", "freedom of choice"
   and all that ?

   The failure - perhaps deliberate - of the far 'left' is that
   they've done much to undermine the existing society, its
   conventions, institutions, infrastructure, checks & balances ...
   but they didn't REPLACE those things with anything else, much
   less anything "better". What it leave us is a 'society' kinda
   propped-up on one remaining, crumbling, leg and a big nothing
   underneath. When it DOES fall - and the current, long-coming,
   debt crisis has a good chance of knocking that final leg out
   from under us - well, all-fall-down-go-boom.

   The mistake of the 'left' is in thinking they can immediately
   exploit the opportunity to grab power. Sorry, but you don't
   grab ahold of nothing, a virtual anarchy. There won't be any
   "handles" ... removed and never replaced. What WILL fill in
   such a gap is what always fills in such gaps - "fascism".
   Some strutting authoritarian will promise to make the trains
   run on time again and kick the crap out of <fill-in-blank
   and the desperate masses will fall all over themselves to
   kiss his ass. Oh yea, they'll shoot all the 'liberals' while
   they're at it ....

And everything wrong in the world is their fault because they are
Americans.  And their idea of the right religion is no religion.

   You don't belive in those silly religions, now do you ?
   Keep a shrine to Woden perhaps ? Tisk ...

   You're at least partially right about the "liberal guilt" thing

On Apr 28, 1:28�pm, b...@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:





On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:22:42 -0700 (PDT), "theloneranger...@aol.com"

theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 6:06=EF=BF=BDam, "Whitelightning" <white.lightni...@verizon.net
wrote:
"B1ackwater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message

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=EF=BF=BD Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S. Govt
=EF=BF=BD Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
=EF=BF=BD what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
=EF=BF=BD they've got the "right" religion too.

You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. =EF=BF=BDYour daughter > > >can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an abortion with out
your permision. =EF=BF=BDYou can't punish them short of saying "Please don> > >'t do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too. =EF=BF> > >=BDThey get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of their own
making. =EF=BF=BDAnd everything wrong in the world is their fault because > > >they are
Americans. =EF=BF=BDAnd their idea of the right religion is no religion.

Whitelightning

And you can pin the Blame for all this squarely on the Little Radical
Spoiled Bastards of the 60's.........The
"BabyBummers"..........Donchaknow.........

� �Much of it, yes.

� �However the 'conservative' counter-reaction was often
� �too extreme - resulting in bad policies AND moral
� �vindication for lefties claiming the opposition were
� �all 'fascists'. A lefty strategy of "provoke : wait
� �for over-reaction : exploit" developed early on - in
� �the 1950s (much earlier if you count labor-union
� �strategy).

� �Indeed, John Adams, of revolutionary fame, was an expert
� �at provoking an over-reaction - like the "Boston Massacre" -
� �and then exploiting it to damn the redcoats (whom his
� �cousin Sam most generously defended in court to prove
� �how 'just' Americans were compared to Brits).

� �In any contest between provocateurs and reactionaries,
� �the provocateurs generally win the apparent moral
� �highground. As mighty as The System is, its agents
� �tend to be nervous, indeed paranoid types with little
� �sense of humor but an overexaggerated senibility when
� �it comes to keeping their jobs/power/pensions. Step
� �on their toe and they'll respond with a grenade down
� �your trousers. Close a door in their face and, well,
� �remember Waco ...

� �Politics has always been something of a 'game', but
� �especially so since the creation of quasi-modern
� �'democracies' where public perceptions and the art
� �of persuasion became important. Our "liberals" are
� �damned GOOD at playing that game ... whereas moderates
� �and 'conservatives' usually drop the ball or run towards
� �the wrong goalposts. Doesn't make the left "righter",
� �but it does translate into POWER above and beyond what
� �they deserve to command.- Hide quoted text -

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Maybe someday America will Wake Up to what the Leftist Pukes are doing
to this Country...........But I'm not holding my
breath...........Donchaknow...........- Hide quoted text -

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On Apr 28, 10:54 am, Williamknowsbest <William.M...@gmail.com> wrote:





On Apr 26, 12:43 pm, "McCain's Economy is BUSH BullShit's Economy,

they're bodies" <ScreenRanger...@aol.com> wrote:
free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 25, 9:18 pm, Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger...@aol.com
wrote:
Yup.......The State of Texas is going to pay BIGTIME for this
one.......Donchaknow.........

"Sweep of polygamists' kids raises legal questions

Apr 25, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The state of Texas made a damning
accusation

Authorities are investigating whether the calls came from a
woman in
Colorado who has a history of making fake calls, but CPS
officials and
legal experts say the outcome of that investigation will
likely have
little bearing on the custody case, given that authorities
went to the
ranch believing the calls were legitimate and then found
possible
evidence of abuse. ""

I had mixed feeling about the Waco group, because of their
firing
rifles etc.  But this invasion by the law is pretty sick shit.
There
were many more ways to approach these people than the horseshit
of
taking kids away from their mom's..   There is so much insanity
here
by just waving  a flag that  these folks being different and
the
government barging in to arrest folks.    If some of these
assholes
where honest about their grandparents , great  grandparents it
was
more normal to get married at 13 or 16 than not.  The news
shows love
all this sexual content.  It was not an orgy, folks don't have
sex all
day long, they had chores to do and make a living.   I think if
these
folks get some good lawyers , some heads will roll.

The Wrong-doing is already in the blood of American Authorities,
this is a Cancer, not Only US doing to herself, she rampages in
other countries as well, you will have feel sympathetic for
foreigners if you see something like this.......It's the same
shit under the hood of Protecting of Something of BS...  Parents
and Children by nature love eacher, who would allow their
children to be abused?- Hide quoted text -

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The most interesting part of the article was that the Texas officials
admitted the call that started the whole thing off may have been a
crank call, but they defended themselves anyway!   sheez.

I think if it is true that hiring a few good lawyers will cause some
heads to roll in Texas as well as the media, that will send a message
to many fringe groups to take all the money you spend on weapons, and
hire a damned good lawyer with it - the pen is mightier than the
sword.

Every fringe groups around will have their own Oscar Zeta Acosta on
staff to defend their weird ways.   Though Hunter Thompsom did have
his firearms too.

This time your bipolar medication is working like a charm.  I fully
support the notions that such fringe or sleeper-cell faith-based
groups need to have a darn good PR staff, instead of explosive
investments and intentions of using those weapons, unless getting
provoked beyond the point of no return.

Not that I agree with their unusual faith-based life style, though I
bet Texas is going to lose most of this one, as well as they may have
created our first American version of a Mormon sleeper-cell.
. - Brad Guth- Hide quoted text -

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:22:42 -0700 (PDT), "theloneranger100@aol.com"
theloneranger100@aol.com> wrote:


any time it swings to the extremes be it far left or far right its bad

On Apr 29, 4:27=C2=A0am, Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger...@aol.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:28=EF=BF=BDpm, b...@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:





On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:22:42 -0700 (PDT), "theloneranger...@aol.com"

theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 6:06=3DEF=3DBF=3DBDam, "Whitelightning" <white.lightni...@ve=
rizon.net
wrote:
"B1ackwater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message

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=3DEF=3DBF=3DBD Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.=
S. Govt
=3DEF=3DBF=3DBD Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can d=
ecide
=3DEF=3DBF=3DBD what they should say, what they should think, and e=
nsure
=3DEF=3DBF=3DBD they've got the "right" religion too.

You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. =3DEF=3DBF=3DBDYou=
r daughter =3D
can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an abortion with=
out
your permision. =3DEF=3DBF=3DBDYou can't punish them short of saying =
"Please don=3D
't do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too. =3D=
EF=3DBF=3D
=3DBDThey get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of thei=
r own=3D

making. =3DEF=3DBF=3DBDAnd everything wrong in the world is their fau=
lt because =3D
they are
Americans. =3DEF=3DBF=3DBDAnd their idea of the right religion is no =
religion.

Whitelightning

And you can pin the Blame for all this squarely on the Little Radical
Spoiled Bastards of the 60's.........The
"BabyBummers"..........Donchaknow.........

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDMuch of it, yes.

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDHowever the 'conservative' counter-reaction was often=

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDtoo extreme - resulting in bad policies AND moral
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDvindication for lefties claiming the opposition were
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDall 'fascists'. A lefty strategy of "provoke : wait
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDfor over-reaction : exploit" developed early on - in
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDthe 1950s (much earlier if you count labor-union
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDstrategy).

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDIndeed, John Adams, of revolutionary fame, was an exp=
ert
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDat provoking an over-reaction - like the "Boston Mass=
acre" -
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDand then exploiting it to damn the redcoats (whom his=

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDcousin Sam most generously defended in court to prove=

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDhow 'just' Americans were compared to Brits).

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDIn any contest between provocateurs and reactionaries=
,
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDthe provocateurs generally win the apparent moral
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDhighground. As mighty as The System is, its agents
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDtend to be nervous, indeed paranoid types with little=

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDsense of humor but an overexaggerated senibility when=

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDit comes to keeping their jobs/power/pensions. Step
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDon their toe and they'll respond with a grenade down
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDyour trousers. Close a door in their face and, well,
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDremember Waco ...

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDPolitics has always been something of a 'game', but
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDespecially so since the creation of quasi-modern
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD'democracies' where public perceptions and the art
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDof persuasion became important. Our "liberals" are
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDdamned GOOD at playing that game ... whereas moderate=
s
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDand 'conservatives' usually drop the ball or run towa=
rds
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDthe wrong goalposts. Doesn't make the left "righter",=

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDbut it does translate into POWER above and beyond wha=
t
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDthey deserve to command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybe someday America will Wake Up to what the Leftist Pukes are doing
to this Country...........But I'm not holding my
breath...........Donchaknow...........- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bring the war home maggot. Liberals started this country.

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:10:26 -0700 (PDT), fee <hic...@gmail.com
wrote:





On Apr 29, 4:27=C2=A0am, Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger...@aol.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:28=EF=BF=BDpm, b...@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:22:42 -0700 (PDT), "theloneranger...@aol.com"

theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 6:06=3DEF=3DBF=3DBDam, "Whitelightning" <white.lightni...@ve> >rizon.net
wrote:
"B1ackwater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message

news:4815bd0c.4992593@news.east.earthlink.net...

=3DEF=3DBF=3DBD Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.> >S. Govt
=3DEF=3DBF=3DBD Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can d> >ecide
=3DEF=3DBF=3DBD what they should say, what they should think, and e> >nsure
=3DEF=3DBF=3DBD they've got the "right" religion too.

You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. =3DEF=3DBF=3DBDYou> >r daughter =3D
can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an abortion with> > out
your permision. =3DEF=3DBF=3DBDYou can't punish them short of saying > >"Please don=3D
't do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too. =3D> >EF=3DBF=3D
=3DBDThey get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of thei> >r own=3D

making. =3DEF=3DBF=3DBDAnd everything wrong in the world is their fau> >lt because =3D
they are
Americans. =3DEF=3DBF=3DBDAnd their idea of the right religion is no > >religion.

Whitelightning

And you can pin the Blame for all this squarely on the Little Radical
Spoiled Bastards of the 60's.........The
"BabyBummers"..........Donchaknow.........

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDMuch of it, yes.

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDHowever the 'conservative' counter-reaction was often
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDtoo extreme - resulting in bad policies AND moral
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDvindication for lefties claiming the opposition were
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDall 'fascists'. A lefty strategy of "provoke : wait
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDfor over-reaction : exploit" developed early on - in
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDthe 1950s (much earlier if you count labor-union
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDstrategy).

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDIndeed, John Adams, of revolutionary fame, was an exp> >ert
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDat provoking an over-reaction - like the "Boston Mass> >acre" -
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDand then exploiting it to damn the redcoats (whom his
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDcousin Sam most generously defended in court to prove
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDhow 'just' Americans were compared to Brits).

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDIn any contest between provocateurs and reactionaries> >,
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDthe provocateurs generally win the apparent moral
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDhighground. As mighty as The System is, its agents
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDtend to be nervous, indeed paranoid types with little
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDsense of humor but an overexaggerated senibility when
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDit comes to keeping their jobs/power/pensions. Step
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDon their toe and they'll respond with a grenade down
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDyour trousers. Close a door in their face and, well,
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDremember Waco ...

=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDPolitics has always been something of a 'game', but
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDespecially so since the creation of quasi-modern
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD'democracies' where public perceptions and the art
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDof persuasion became important. Our "liberals" are
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDdamned GOOD at playing that game ... whereas moderate> >s
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDand 'conservatives' usually drop the ball or run towa> >rds
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDthe wrong goalposts. Doesn't make the left "righter",
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDbut it does translate into POWER above and beyond wha> >t
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDthey deserve to command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybe someday America will Wake Up to what the Leftist Pukes are doing
to this Country...........But I'm not holding my
breath...........Donchaknow...........- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bring the war home maggot. Liberals started this country.

� �Not any kind of "liberal" we see TODAY ...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -