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| D from BC |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:13 pm |
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I think many people would grab their computer if their place was on
fire.
Would you save your computer during a fire?
I'd be yelling to the firemen below "Catch my computer!" :)
What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
D from BC
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| JeffM |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:13 pm |
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D from BC wrote:
Quote: Would you save your computer during a fire?
If you see this as a likely occurance, you need a laptop and a docking
bay
or a desktop computer with an easy-remove type drive bay
where you can just snatch out the HDD.
If you have actually done a recent BACKUP[1] of your data (NOT a
mirror),
loss of the box will be an annoyance, but not really significant.
The mention of insurance in this thread is noteworthy.
Unless you *just* bought the box, the replacement will be better.
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[1] A "backup" is *not* a backup until it is OFF-SITE. |
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| T |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:49 pm |
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In article <57d414lmvgj5rus89ohoa1p1saikpesouc@4ax.com>,
myrealaddress@comic.com says...
Quote: I think many people would grab their computer if their place was on
fire.
Would you save your computer during a fire?
I'd be yelling to the firemen below "Catch my computer!" :)
What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
Laptop and backback for laptop are never far from each other. Even have
a spare power supply in the backpack. In case of fire into the bag it
goes and out the door go I. |
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| Eeyore |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:11 pm |
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D from BC wrote:
Quote: I think many people would grab their computer if their place was on
fire.
Would you save your computer during a fire?
I'd be yelling to the firemen below "Catch my computer!" :)
What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
Do you see a house fire as a likely scenario ?
Graham |
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| John Tserkezis |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:14 pm |
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D from BC wrote:
Quote: I think many people would grab their computer if their place was on
fire.
Most would say pictures. Would probably be a different story if said
pictures were stored on a computer though...
That said, I suppose my wallet would come first. Do you know how impossibly
hard and time consuming it is to replace some cards?!
Quote: Would you save your computer during a fire?
Too heavy to carry out in such a situation, and I have nothing of any
substance on the laptop to be worth taking either (everything is on the server).
That said, my entire server rack cabinet weighs about 400+ pounds, takes too
long to dismantle, so that ain't moving either.
Quote: I'd be yelling to the firemen below "Catch my computer!"
Here, you grab the box, I'll take the monitor...
Seriously though, removable hard drives would make the job quick and easy.
Don't worry about shutting down though, there would be some argument that
the time to shut down would be enough to kill you, negating the reason you're
saving your porn^H^H^H^Hdata in the first place.
Quote: What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
Most preferable is not to have a fire in the first place, an indoor charcoal
barbecue would probably not be the best choice you've ever made...
Short of that, extinguishers around the place, or better still, an automated
halon system would be nice, because it doesn't need you to be present to deploy.
That said, manual extinguishers would be still best for those who insist on
indoor charcoal barbecues. Would be annoying to trigger the halon system
every weekend otherwise...
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| Keith M |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:35 pm |
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D from BC wrote:
Quote: I think many people would grab their computer if their place was on
fire.
Would you save your computer during a fire?
I'd be yelling to the firemen below "Catch my computer!" :)
What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
D,
I'd more likely save my Commodore Amiga 500 before I'd grab my main PC
that I use. Most hardware is cheap and easily replaceable. Heck the
insurance money is worth more than the PC.
As far as data goes, I use http://www.mozy.com and backup everything
remotely important there. So all my data is stored there, including
most of my pictures. Unlimited backup storage for $5/month. Also works
as poor man's revision control too.
I might grab my backup dvd case, too.
I'd probably grab my pool cues too.
(and wife and new baby, I guess) :)
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| D from BC |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:36 pm |
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:11:26 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
D from BC wrote:
I think many people would grab their computer if their place was on
fire.
Would you save your computer during a fire?
I'd be yelling to the firemen below "Catch my computer!" :)
What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
Do you see a house fire as a likely scenario ?
Graham
Yeah...a house fire is unlikely.
There's probably a better chance of my drive motor will fail from too
many virus scans or defrags. :)
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada |
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| Charles |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:43 pm |
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| Michael A. Terrell |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:45 pm |
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D from BC wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:11:26 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
D from BC wrote:
I think many people would grab their computer if their place was on
fire.
Would you save your computer during a fire?
I'd be yelling to the firemen below "Catch my computer!" :)
What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
Do you see a house fire as a likely scenario ?
Do you see it as impossible? If so, explain why there are so many
fire trucks, fire houses and firemen in anything more than a wide spot
in the road. Or the factory here that builds fire trucks.
What would a donkey take, other than hay?
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| D from BC |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:18 pm |
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:35:38 GMT, Keith M
<keithvz@yanktheobvious.verizon.net> wrote:
Quote: D from BC wrote:
I think many people would grab their computer if their place was on
fire.
Would you save your computer during a fire?
I'd be yelling to the firemen below "Catch my computer!" :)
What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
D,
I'd more likely save my Commodore Amiga 500 before I'd grab my main PC
that I use. Most hardware is cheap and easily replaceable. Heck the
insurance money is worth more than the PC.
As far as data goes, I use http://www.mozy.com and backup everything
remotely important there. So all my data is stored there, including
most of my pictures. Unlimited backup storage for $5/month. Also works
as poor man's revision control too.
I might grab my backup dvd case, too.
I'd probably grab my pool cues too.
(and wife and new baby, I guess) :)
Keith
Huh... only 5 bucks a month for unlimited storage.
Do you encrypt before upload?
D from BC
British Columbia
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| D from BC |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:26 pm |
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:43:47 -0400, "Charles"
<charlesschuler@comcast.net> wrote:
Cool! 250Gig with a 0.59" x 5.1" x 3.14" size.
Maybe I can make a case for it made from Space Shuttle tiles.
It might survive a fire if I can't get it. :)
D from BC
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| John Tserkezis |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:42 pm |
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D from BC wrote:
Quote: Huh... only 5 bucks a month for unlimited storage.
Do you encrypt before upload?
More importantly, does he get unlimited uploads from his ISP? At a
reasonable speed? (I'm in Australia remember, we don't have "normal" internet
pipes like the rest of the world, and we pay dearly for the privilege of using
the straws they give us).
How practical is it unless you have some real secure encryption, and perhaps
more time than money? (or more money than sense?) I have 400+ gig to go
through...
Online storage, the media-reputed "next big thing" is dead in the water for
anyone that matters.
Might be viable to Joe Average if you can convince them that storing all his
porn^H^H^H^Hdata offsite at some cost is worthwhile.
Especially difficult once you tell them that anything on the internet is
effectively "public" information. Even if they just have family photos and
other data they consider non-critical data.
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| Ecnerwal |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:18 pm |
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In article <57d414lmvgj5rus89ohoa1p1saikpesouc@4ax.com>,
D from BC <myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
Quote: What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
Your PC, or the data on it?
Step one is to take actual steps to reduce the likelihood of fires -
reduce clutter, especially clutter that burns. Live the Danish Modern
lifestyle, and fire has a hard time getting a hold. Difficult for most
real people to manage.
Step two along that line would be to absolutely minimize or eliminate
burnables (paper, upholstery, drapes, carpets, wood etc.) in the
particular room where the computer is, replace the door with a 2 hour
fire rated door, and add an extra layer or two (fully mudded and taped)
of 5/8 inch fire code gypsum board to the walls and ceiling. DO the
floor in ceramic tile or something like that. Also do the same to any
rooms below that room, and install sprinklers in the rooms and hallways
outside and below that room. There are comparatively low-cost
residential sprinklers on the market, though retrofitting is always
going to be spendy, while adding them to new construction is not too
bad, cost-wise - especially if you get a break on your insurance because
of them.
While you're spending your millions, might as well put a halon system in
the room itself, though in point of fact, local authorities might not be
happy with that in a residence. As the resident, you should question the
advisability of it as well.
So, build a little concrete shack out in the yard and move the computer
there. Put nothing that can burn in the shack.
Some people try running an external hard drive inside of a data-rated
fire safe. I don't know how much compromise the cable makes on the fire
safe's function, and do choose only a data rated one - the paper ones
get very hot and humid inside in a fire, as I understand it.
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Iffen it's the data more than the PC itself, and you have something like
a separate garage (or a concrete shack in the yard...) you could set up
a server out there. It should be possible to mirror the content of a
server in the house and a server in the garage, so that both structures
would have to go to lose your data. Doesn't help that much if they are
the same building. Perhaps a "doghouse" set away from the house, or a
storm cellar, or that fallout shelter your parents put in in the 1950's.
Offsite backup copies are also good if you do them religiously, and
check that they are readable religiously. If your offsite backups
consist of 3 weeks of data from 1993 when you got the backup bug, and
then lost it again, they are not very helpful. Consider all sorts of
issues in choosing a place for them - flooding, fire, etc. A safety
deposit box at the bank is one possible place that offers a range of
security against many disasters, but if the bank floods, it's not such a
great choice.
---
If you're dead, the PC and/or the data on it are largely immaterial. So
if it's a question of getting out, or messing about trying to grab
computer, disk, external drive, backup CDs, whatever - get out. If that
stuff is on the way and takes essentially no time to grab, sure, grab
it. Otherwise, leave it and get out. If leaving it would upset you, get
the offsite backup bug and keep it. Make a habit of putting your on-site
backups in a place they can easily be grabbed on the way out the door.
The hardware is replaceable.
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| Jim Yanik |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:21 pm |
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Keith M <keithvz@yanktheobvious.verizon.net> wrote in
news:K8sQj.264$E77.155@trnddc05:
Quote: D from BC wrote:
I think many people would grab their computer if their place was on
fire.
Would you save your computer during a fire?
I'd be yelling to the firemen below "Catch my computer!" :)
What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
D,
I'd more likely save my Commodore Amiga 500 before I'd grab my main PC
that I use.
What do you use that Amiga for?
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| D from BC |
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:02 pm |
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:18:17 GMT, Ecnerwal
<LawrenceSMITH@SOuthernVERmont.NyET> wrote:
Quote: In article <57d414lmvgj5rus89ohoa1p1saikpesouc@4ax.com>,
D from BC <myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
What can I do to protect my PC from a house fire?
Your PC, or the data on it?
Step one is to take actual steps to reduce the likelihood of fires -
reduce clutter, especially clutter that burns. Live the Danish Modern
lifestyle, and fire has a hard time getting a hold. Difficult for most
real people to manage.
Step two along that line would be to absolutely minimize or eliminate
burnables (paper, upholstery, drapes, carpets, wood etc.) in the
particular room where the computer is, replace the door with a 2 hour
fire rated door, and add an extra layer or two (fully mudded and taped)
of 5/8 inch fire code gypsum board to the walls and ceiling. DO the
floor in ceramic tile or something like that. Also do the same to any
rooms below that room, and install sprinklers in the rooms and hallways
outside and below that room. There are comparatively low-cost
residential sprinklers on the market, though retrofitting is always
going to be spendy, while adding them to new construction is not too
bad, cost-wise - especially if you get a break on your insurance because
of them.
While you're spending your millions, might as well put a halon system in
the room itself, though in point of fact, local authorities might not be
happy with that in a residence. As the resident, you should question the
advisability of it as well.
So, build a little concrete shack out in the yard and move the computer
there. Put nothing that can burn in the shack.
Some people try running an external hard drive inside of a data-rated
fire safe. I don't know how much compromise the cable makes on the fire
safe's function, and do choose only a data rated one - the paper ones
get very hot and humid inside in a fire, as I understand it.
----
Iffen it's the data more than the PC itself, and you have something like
a separate garage (or a concrete shack in the yard...) you could set up
a server out there. It should be possible to mirror the content of a
server in the house and a server in the garage, so that both structures
would have to go to lose your data. Doesn't help that much if they are
the same building. Perhaps a "doghouse" set away from the house, or a
storm cellar, or that fallout shelter your parents put in in the 1950's.
Offsite backup copies are also good if you do them religiously, and
check that they are readable religiously. If your offsite backups
consist of 3 weeks of data from 1993 when you got the backup bug, and
then lost it again, they are not very helpful. Consider all sorts of
issues in choosing a place for them - flooding, fire, etc. A safety
deposit box at the bank is one possible place that offers a range of
security against many disasters, but if the bank floods, it's not such a
great choice.
---
If you're dead, the PC and/or the data on it are largely immaterial. So
if it's a question of getting out, or messing about trying to grab
computer, disk, external drive, backup CDs, whatever - get out. If that
stuff is on the way and takes essentially no time to grab, sure, grab
it. Otherwise, leave it and get out. If leaving it would upset you, get
the offsite backup bug and keep it. Make a habit of putting your on-site
backups in a place they can easily be grabbed on the way out the door.
The hardware is replaceable.
I briefly thought of attaching handles to my monitor and desktop
computer so it can be carried like luggage. :)
D from BC
British Columbia
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