It is wonderful to see the images which the Hubble Space Telescope
provides -

http://www.sciam.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=8153DC82-A24D-3D07-8B32672098BE3984

Perhaps many decades from now it will be possible to talk about
galactic collisions in a normal and adult way but there is nothing
normal about this era.

After looking at the images and putting them into a broad context,the
same people will t talk about the expanding space and galaxies flying
apart from each other in order to satisfy a seperate empirical agenda
of the 'big bang'.They create a story without the slightest hesitation
even though images showing that these huge stellar islands can
collide with space having the same background for the occurence of
all objects in motion.

At least I get spared the vacuous explanations where the galaxies are
considered to be flying apart for billions of years yet images show
them colliding or a seperate explanation where galaxies are explained
as colliding and forgetting about cosmological evolution in terms of
the 'big bang'.

Amazing images ,just needs astronomers to appreciate them in context.

"oriel36" <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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It is wonderful to see the images which the Hubble Space Telescope
provides -

http://www.sciam.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=8153DC82-A24D-3D0....

Perhaps many decades from now it will be possible to talk about
galactic collisions in a normal and adult way but there is nothing
normal about this era.

After looking at the images and putting them into a broad context,the
same people will t talk about the expanding space  and galaxies flying
apart from each other in order to satisfy a seperate empirical agenda
of the 'big bang'.They create a story without the slightest hesitation
even though images showing that these huge stellar islands can
collide  with space having the same background for the occurence of
all objects in motion.

At least I  get spared the vacuous explanations where the galaxies are
considered to be flying apart for billions of years yet images show
them colliding or a seperate explanation where galaxies are  explained
as colliding and forgetting about cosmological evolution in terms of
the 'big bang'.

Amazing images ,just needs astronomers to appreciate them in context.

Are you being wilfully ignorant, or do you only have space for a single
concept in your head at one time?

You are a disgrace to intellect.- Hide quoted text -

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oriel36 wrote:
On Apr 25, 7:13 pm, "OG" <o...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:

"oriel36" <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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It is wonderful to see the images which the Hubble Space Telescope
provides -

http://www.sciam.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=8153DC82-A24D-3D0....

Perhaps many decades from now it will be possible to talk about
galactic collisions in a normal and adult way but there is nothing
normal about this era.

After looking at the images and putting them into a broad context,the
same people will t talk about the expanding space  and galaxies flying
apart from each other in order to satisfy a seperate empirical agenda
of the 'big bang'.They create a story without the slightest hesitation
even though images showing that these huge stellar islands can
collide  with space having the same background for the occurence of
all objects in motion.

At least I  get spared the vacuous explanations where the galaxies are
considered to be flying apart for billions of years yet images show
them colliding or a seperate explanation where galaxies are  explained
as colliding and forgetting about cosmological evolution in terms of
the 'big bang'.

Amazing images ,just needs astronomers to appreciate them in context.

Are you being wilfully ignorant, or do you only have space for a single
concept in your head at one time?

You are a disgrace to intellect.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Stow it mate,half the people in here would love to escape the junk
dumped into the celestial arena .If somebody wants the 'big bang'
theory where the galaxies have been continuously  flying  apart  while
observationally seeing galaxies collide or interact then the
'expanding space' junk and the reasoning behind it has to go.

You imply that it is argued that the ONLY motion affecting galaxies is
expansion?

 In that case you are setting up a strawman argument. It's
been known that galaxies have 'peculiar motions' since the very early
days of velocity measurements of galaxies.

What's not clear is whether you are making this argument because of your
ignorance or because of your intellectual dishonesty.- Hide quoted text -

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On Apr 25, 7:13 pm, "OG" <o...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:

"oriel36" <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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It is wonderful to see the images which the Hubble Space Telescope
provides -

http://www.sciam.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=8153DC82-A24D-3D0...

Perhaps many decades from now it will be possible to talk about
galactic collisions in a normal and adult way but there is nothing
normal about this era.

After looking at the images and putting them into a broad context,the
same people will t talk about the expanding space and galaxies flying
apart from each other in order to satisfy a seperate empirical agenda
of the 'big bang'.They create a story without the slightest hesitation
even though images showing that these huge stellar islands can
collide with space having the same background for the occurence of
all objects in motion.

At least I get spared the vacuous explanations where the galaxies are
considered to be flying apart for billions of years yet images show
them colliding or a seperate explanation where galaxies are explained
as colliding and forgetting about cosmological evolution in terms of
the 'big bang'.

Amazing images ,just needs astronomers to appreciate them in context.

Are you being wilfully ignorant, or do you only have space for a single
concept in your head at one time?

You are a disgrace to intellect.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Stow it mate,half the people in here would love to escape the junk
dumped into the celestial arena .If somebody wants the 'big bang'
theory where the galaxies have been continuously flying apart while
observationally seeing galaxies collide or interact then the
'expanding space' junk and the reasoning behind it has to go.

Stow it mate,half the people in here would love to escape the junk
dumped into the celestial arena .If somebody wants the 'big bang'
theory where the galaxies have been continuously flying apart while
observationally seeing galaxies collide or interact then the
'expanding space' junk and the reasoning behind it has to go.

You imply that it is argued that the ONLY motion affecting galaxies is
expansion?


It is taught that space has expanded 13 billion light years,the
further we look out the further back in time we are supposed to see.I
had to laugh a few weeks ago on the Bad Astronomy forum where a
curious creationist was playing along with the spiel of expanding
space and many tripping over themselves to explain it to him.He then
asked does that mean that the Universe is 26 billlion light years in
diameter and thereby setting off seizures the proponents of big bang
geometry to talk abouit something else,it was one of those 'out of the
mouths of babes' type things which can be enjoyed on occasion.

One of the junk concepts is this idea of expanding space where the
galaxies fly apart yet observations show them interacting like any
other objects do.

I do not have any attachment to big bang geometry and
the reasoning behind it,so I am free to look at cosmological evolution
from a closer perspective and especially stellar evolution.without
having to make any great sweeping conclusions about how the universe
began or if there are any great structural motions beyond galactic
rotation,things like that.

oriel36 wrote:
Stow it mate,half the people in here would love to escape the junk
dumped into the celestial arena .If somebody wants the 'big bang'
theory where the galaxies have been continuously  flying  apart  while
observationally seeing galaxies collide or interact then the
'expanding space' junk and the reasoning behind it has to go.

You imply that it is argued that the ONLY motion affecting galaxies is
expansion?

It is taught that space has expanded 13 billion light years,the
further we look out the further back in time we are supposed to see.I
had to laugh a few weeks ago on the Bad Astronomy forum where a
curious creationist was playing along with the spiel of expanding
space and many tripping over themselves to explain it to him.He then
asked does that mean that the Universe is 26 billlion light years in
diameter and thereby setting off seizures  the proponents of big bang
geometry to talk abouit something else,it was one of those 'out of the
mouths of babes' type things which can be enjoyed on occasion.

What has this to do with your original post ?

One of the junk concepts is this idea of expanding space  where the
galaxies fly apart yet observations show them interacting like any
other objects do.

I reiterate, you expose yourself as a fool by your arguments.

How about this theory
"Everyone gets older until they die"

Does the presence of a baby invalidate the theory? No - of course not,
because as well as ageing, there are other processes going on.

Similarly, as well as expansion there are other processes going on,
notably gravitational attraction between galaxies in clusters - so
'galaxies in collision' is of no surprise to anyone other than the
bewildered.

I do not have any attachment to big bang geometry and
the reasoning behind it,so I am free to look at cosmological evolution
from a closer perspective and especially stellar evolution.without
having to make any great sweeping conclusions about how the universe
began or if there are any great structural motions beyond galactic
rotation,things like that.

This pretty well sums up the limitations of your approach. Strange that
you don't see it.- Hide quoted text -

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On 26 Apr, 12:45, R Shiein <rs...@gmaill.com> wrote:



oriel36 wrote:
Stow it mate,half the people in here would love to escape the junk
dumped into the celestial arena .If somebody wants the 'bigbang'
theory where the galaxies have been continuously flying apart while
observationally seeing galaxies collide or interact then the
'expanding space' junk and the reasoning behind it has to go.

You imply that it is argued that the ONLY motion affecting galaxies is
expansion?

It is taught that space has expanded 13 billion light years,the
further we look out the further back in time we are supposed to see.I
had to laugh a few weeks ago on the Bad Astronomy forum where a
curious creationist was playing along with the spiel of expanding
space and many tripping over themselves to explain it to him.He then
asked does that mean that the Universe is 26 billlion light years in
diameter and thereby setting off seizures the proponents ofbigbang
geometry to talk abouit something else,it was one of those 'out of the
mouths of babes' type things which can be enjoyed on occasion.

What has this to do with your original post ?

One of the junk concepts is this idea of expanding space where the
galaxies fly apart yet observations show them interacting like any
other objects do.

I reiterate, you expose yourself as a fool by your arguments.

How about this theory
"Everyone gets older until they die"

Does the presence of a baby invalidate the theory? No - of course not,
because as well as ageing, there are other processes going on.

Similarly, as well as expansion there are other processes going on,
notably gravitational attraction between galaxies in clusters - so
'galaxies in collision' is of no surprise to anyone other than the
bewildered.

I have to laugh at the expanding balloon universe where all the
galaxies have been flying apart for billions of years and the
reasoning behind it -

http://encarta.msn.com/media_461533130/expanding_universe_experiment....

When people see galaxies interacting and evolving in a normal
way,there is no real need to appeal to a huge sweeping notion of abigbangconclusion unless you really want to expose yourself as having
very poor judgement to say the least.

I would have to descend to the intellectual level of a flat Earther
to even begin to contend with somebody who envisages a 'expanding
balloon' Universe,others may be fooled into believing that there is
some substance in the reasoning but how they do this while watching
galaxies interact I do not know.

I do not have any attachment tobigbanggeometry and
the reasoning behind it,so I am free to look at cosmological evolution
from a closer perspective and especially stellar evolution.without
having to make any great sweeping conclusions about how the universe
began or if there are any great structural motions beyond galactic
rotation,things like that.

This pretty well sums up the limitations of your approach. Strange that
you don't see it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I enjoyed how the creationist unwittingly stated that if distance
equals time and cosmologists look acxross 13 billion years of distance
then the Universe must be 26 billion years old in terms of a
diameter.I thought it was priceless even if it was unintentional but
then again,people have shown themselves to have an addiction to a
celestial sphere framework and the reasoning behind it.

Don't be sour,enjoy your 'every-valid-point-is-the-center-of-an-
expanding-Universe',people have been trying to run away from that
notion for going on a millenia as the reasoning of Nicolas of Cusa
shows,the fact that you embrace it speaks for itself.

It is wonderful to see the images which the Hubble Space Telescope
provides -

http://www.sciam.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=8153DC82-A24D-3D0...

Perhaps many decades from now it will be possible to talk about
galactic collisions in a normal and adult way but there is nothing
normal about this era.

After looking at the images and putting them into a broad context,the
same people will t talk about the expanding space and galaxies flying
apart from each other in order to satisfy a seperate empirical agenda
of the 'big bang'.They create a story without the slightest hesitation
even though images showing that these huge stellar islands can
collide with space having the same background for the occurence of
all objects in motion.

At least I get spared the vacuous explanations where the galaxies are
considered to be flying apart for billions of years yet images show
them colliding or a seperate explanation where galaxies are explained
as colliding and forgetting about cosmological evolution in terms of
the 'big bang'.

Amazing images ,just needs astronomers to appreciate them in context.

Don't be sour,enjoy your 'every-valid-point-is-the-center-of-an-
expanding-Universe',people have been trying to run away from that
notion for going on a millenia as the reasoning of Nicolas of Cusa
shows,the fact that you embrace it speaks for itself.