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V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:05 pm
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"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote
Quote:
Tom Gardner still hasn't answered the question. There are large
stockpiles
of grain available. If there is famine as he claims then why are the
capitalists not making the grain available to the starving?
Tom Gardner
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:32 pm
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"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in message
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"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote
Tom Gardner still hasn't answered the question. There are large stockpiles
of grain available. If there is famine as he claims then why are the
capitalists not making the grain available to the starving?



You seem to have a problem with your keyboard, your "STUPID" key is stuck on.
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:16 am
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"Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote
Quote:
You seem to have a problem with your keyboard, your "STUPID" key is stuck
on.

I use an international keyboard for the Socialist States. There is no
"stupid" key on our keyboards. They are only found on AmeriKKKan keyboards.
Stupid.
T. Keating
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:38 am
Guest
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:00:56 -0700 (PDT), "calderhome@yahoo.com"
<calderhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
Food-buying panic hits Canadian stores - "I was in one of the national
chains and there was one packet of rice left on the shelf."

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=469385

Food inflation the 'monster' around Canada's corner - "They're partly
blaming politicians for pumping billions of dollars into what they
call wrongheaded biofuel technologies, and for promoting monetary
policies that have driven up the price of oil."

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gPdx7XEUzZW7lyIOQw-lSAhHLHFg

For biofuel facts, see http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html

Distillers grain is the left over byproduct after some of the starch/
sugars (not all) are removed for ethanol production. They resulting
byproduct is used as animal feed. (Much of the corn's food value
remains intact..)

http://ilift.traill.uiuc.edu/distillers/
http://www.ksgrains.com/ethanol/DDGSFacts.pdf

Bio diesel is used/recycled cooking oil.
Tom Gardner
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:33 am
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"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

"Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote
You seem to have a problem with your keyboard, your "STUPID" key is stuck on.

I use an international keyboard for the Socialist States. There is no
"stupid" key on our keyboards. They are only found on AmeriKKKan keyboards.
Stupid.




So, you have to type stupidly manually?
Poetic Justice
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:04 am
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Tom Gardner wrote:
Quote:
"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in message
news:Y2zRj.61438$dA2.21096@read2.cgocable.net...
"Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote
You seem to have a problem with your keyboard, your "STUPID" key is stuck on.
I use an international keyboard for the Socialist States. There is no
"stupid" key on our keyboards. They are only found on AmeriKKKan keyboards.
Stupid.




So, you have to type stupidly manually?


That's insightful.
Whata Fool
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:41 pm
Guest
T. Keating <tkusenet@ktcnslt.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:00:56 -0700 (PDT), "calderhome@yahoo.com"
calderhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

Food-buying panic hits Canadian stores - "I was in one of the national
chains and there was one packet of rice left on the shelf."

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=469385

Food inflation the 'monster' around Canada's corner - "They're partly
blaming politicians for pumping billions of dollars into what they
call wrongheaded biofuel technologies, and for promoting monetary
policies that have driven up the price of oil."

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gPdx7XEUzZW7lyIOQw-lSAhHLHFg

For biofuel facts, see http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html

Distillers grain is the left over byproduct after some of the starch/
sugars (not all) are removed for ethanol production. They resulting
byproduct is used as animal feed. (Much of the corn's food value
remains intact..)

http://ilift.traill.uiuc.edu/distillers/
http://www.ksgrains.com/ethanol/DDGSFacts.pdf

Bio diesel is used/recycled cooking oil.

And in addition to that, the distiller's grain can be tailored
for particular animals, for cattle salt can be added because cattle
cannot survive without salt, and sorghum can be added along with other
minerals and nutrients that may not be present in certain areas and
are not in the corn originally.

With the additional planting for ethanol, there is more corn
fodder for cattle feed, and the net result is more animal feed than
if the corn was fed without the fermenting process.
And the amount of field corn that becomes human food is hardly
affected at all because human consumption is small except for sweeteners
and starch. Chances are very little sweet corn is involved in ethanol
production, I doubt if sweet corn gives the weight per acre of field corn.

The only downer I see is the possible reluctance of people not
from farm families to go into farming. But surely the world over
they see that food must be the priority crop, and get some great
satisfaction out of providing an essential product for the world.
Poetic Justice
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:03 pm
Guest
Whata Fool wrote:
Quote:
T. Keating <tkusenet@ktcnslt.com> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:00:56 -0700 (PDT), "calderhome@yahoo.com"
calderhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

Food-buying panic hits Canadian stores - "I was in one of the national
chains and there was one packet of rice left on the shelf."

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=469385

Food inflation the 'monster' around Canada's corner - "They're partly
blaming politicians for pumping billions of dollars into what they
call wrongheaded biofuel technologies, and for promoting monetary
policies that have driven up the price of oil."

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gPdx7XEUzZW7lyIOQw-lSAhHLHFg

For biofuel facts, see http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html
Distillers grain is the left over byproduct after some of the starch/
sugars (not all) are removed for ethanol production. They resulting
byproduct is used as animal feed. (Much of the corn's food value
remains intact..)

http://ilift.traill.uiuc.edu/distillers/
http://www.ksgrains.com/ethanol/DDGSFacts.pdf

Bio diesel is used/recycled cooking oil.

And in addition to that, the distiller's grain can be tailored
for particular animals, for cattle salt can be added because cattle
cannot survive without salt, and sorghum can be added along with other
minerals and nutrients that may not be present in certain areas and
are not in the corn originally.

With the additional planting for ethanol, there is more corn
fodder for cattle feed, and the net result is more animal feed than
if the corn was fed without the fermenting process.


The problem is that Poor people can't afford to buy more meat.

And the amount of field corn that becomes human food is hardly
Quote:
affected at all because human consumption is small except for sweeteners
and starch. Chances are very little sweet corn is involved in ethanol
production, I doubt if sweet corn gives the weight per acre of field corn.

But the farmers will plant corn for ethanol, not human food.

Quote:
The only downer I see is the possible reluctance of people not
from farm families to go into farming. But surely the world over
they see that food must be the priority crop, and get some great
satisfaction out of providing an essential product for the world.

International corporations like ADM and maybe Exxon will grow a
mechanized large scale corn crop for alcohol....
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:35 pm
Guest
Quote:
"Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote
You seem to have a problem with your keyboard, your "STUPID" key is
stuck on.


Quote:
"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote
I use an international keyboard for the Socialist States. There is no
"stupid" key on our keyboards. They are only found on AmeriKKKan
keyboards. Stupid.

Robert Cowen
Quote:
So, you have to type stupidly manually?

What a stupid question.
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:36 pm
Guest
"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote
Quote:
The problem is that Poor people can't afford to buy more meat.

Why do you think they need to?
Whata Fool
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:38 am
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Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:

Quote:
Whata Fool wrote:
T. Keating <tkusenet@ktcnslt.com> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:00:56 -0700 (PDT), "calderhome@yahoo.com"
calderhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

Food-buying panic hits Canadian stores - "I was in one of the national
chains and there was one packet of rice left on the shelf."

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=469385

Food inflation the 'monster' around Canada's corner - "They're partly
blaming politicians for pumping billions of dollars into what they
call wrongheaded biofuel technologies, and for promoting monetary
policies that have driven up the price of oil."

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gPdx7XEUzZW7lyIOQw-lSAhHLHFg

For biofuel facts, see http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html
Distillers grain is the left over byproduct after some of the starch/
sugars (not all) are removed for ethanol production. They resulting
byproduct is used as animal feed. (Much of the corn's food value
remains intact..)

http://ilift.traill.uiuc.edu/distillers/
http://www.ksgrains.com/ethanol/DDGSFacts.pdf

Bio diesel is used/recycled cooking oil.

And in addition to that, the distiller's grain can be tailored
for particular animals, for cattle salt can be added because cattle
cannot survive without salt, and sorghum can be added along with other
minerals and nutrients that may not be present in certain areas and
are not in the corn originally.

With the additional planting for ethanol, there is more corn
fodder for cattle feed, and the net result is more animal feed than
if the corn was fed without the fermenting process.


The problem is that Poor people can't afford to buy more meat.

Really? But can they afford to smoke or drink alcoholic
beverages?

I buy McDonalds double cheeseburgers, break them in half and
freeze them, and my average meal consists of one half minus the
white yeast bun which I throw away, plus 3 or 4 ounces of vegetable
and 3 or 4 ounces of potato.

If I can eat this meal for about $1.30 in the US, surely in
other countries it would be a lot less.

Quote:
And the amount of field corn that becomes human food is hardly
affected at all because human consumption is small except for sweeteners
and starch. Chances are very little sweet corn is involved in ethanol
production, I doubt if sweet corn gives the weight per acre of field corn.

But the farmers will plant corn for ethanol, not human food.

I don't know what you mean by human food, corn farmers do not grow
vegetables or meat, they only grow grain or rice or potatoes, or hay.
If grain becomes in short supply it only takes a phone call
to stop purchases by distilleries, so there should be no problem,
it is just propaganda.
The countries making ethanol in quantity are a small part of
the world food production.

Quote:
The only downer I see is the possible reluctance of people not
from farm families to go into farming. But surely the world over
they see that food must be the priority crop, and get some great
satisfaction out of providing an essential product for the world.

International corporations like ADM and maybe Exxon will grow a
mechanized large scale corn crop for alcohol....

The potato is a far better feedstock for ethanol production,
it doesn't need to be ground, it doesn't even need to be peeled for
fuel grade ethanol, and it cooks down to starch in a matter of minutes.

The great bulk of farm land is in small farms 1000 acres or less,
and chances are the corporations don't want any part of a small farm.

As long as your store shelves are full, consider the stories
about food shortages as just outhouse rumors.

Countries like Mexico should never import any food at all,
it has enough land to be a major food exporter.
 
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