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Fred Jones
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:39 am
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Just what is faith? You here of it all the time. You must have faith to believe.
You must have faith to understand. What is faith and why is it such a popular
buzz-word in the christian world? Is it used wrong? Is it used right? Is it used
too much like the word love so that it has lost it's real meaning?
J666
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:01 am
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 8:39:40 -0500, Fred Jones wrote
(in message <f5SdnVWtTp3lEI3VnZ2dnUVZ_tmhnZ2d@comcast.com>):

Quote:
Just what is faith?

Believing something you cannot prove.
Andrew
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:17 pm
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On 2008-04-24 14:39:40 +0100, "Fred Jones" <supportsystem@juno.com> said:

Quote:
Just what is faith? You here of it all the time. You must have faith to
believe. You must have faith to understand. What is faith and why is it
such a popular buzz-word in the christian world? Is it used wrong? Is
it used right? Is it used too much like the word love so that it has
lost it's real meaning?

Fith means something akin to 'trust'. It's living in the assumption
that you are right about something about which you could be mistaken.
The nicest analogy I've heard comes from the founder of Sufism. Faith
is like when a rich merchant puts all his goods and gear on board a
ship bound for a distant market. He cann ot be sure that they will ever
reach it, but lives in the assumption that it will.
monkfish
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:09 pm
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:39:40 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

Quote:
Just what is faith? You here of it all the time. You must have faith to
believe. You must have faith to understand. What is faith and why is it
such a popular buzz-word in the christian world? Is it used wrong? Is it
used right? Is it used too much like the word love so that it has lost
it's real meaning?


Wonderful!
You have to come to your senses
and are asking questions instead of regurgitating
whatever you have swallowed in blind faith.

What is faith?
To whom?
Of what?
In what?
Where?
In what context?

How many points of perspectives can you think of
to view the question from?

--
monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header
because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:44 pm
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http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

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bob young
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:41 am
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Andrew wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-04-24 14:39:40 +0100, "Fred Jones" <supportsystem@juno.com> said:

Just what is faith? You here of it all the time. You must have faith to
believe. You must have faith to understand. What is faith and why is it
such a popular buzz-word in the christian world? Is it used wrong? Is
it used right? Is it used too much like the word love so that it has
lost it's real meaning?

Fith means something akin to 'trust'. It's living in the assumption
that you are right about something about which you could be mistaken.
The nicest analogy I've heard comes from the founder of Sufism. Faith
is like when a rich merchant puts all his goods and gear on board a
ship bound for a distant market. He cann ot be sure that they will ever
reach it, but lives in the assumption that it will.


"I refuse to prove I exist", says god. "Because proof denies
faith and without faith, I am nothing"
[Douglas Adams].

"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational
thinking, which leads by a slippery slope toward
constitutional democracy."
[Robert Anton Wilson]

Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
[Richard Dawkins]
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:00 am
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http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Faith

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http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/KnowingHIM
J666
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:03 am
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 1:41:02 -0500, bob young wrote
(in message <48117BB3.E19860DD@netvigator.com>):

Quote:
"I refuse to prove I exist", says god. "Because proof denies
faith and without faith, I am nothing"
[Douglas Adams].

"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational
thinking, which leads by a slippery slope toward
constitutional democracy."
[Robert Anton Wilson]

Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
[Richard Dawkins]

³Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record of dead
religions.² Oscar Wilde

³Faith is believing in things when common sense tells you not to² George
Seaton

³'Faith' means not wanting to know what is true² Friedrich Nietzsche

"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason.² Benjamin Franklin
Andrew
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:37 am
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On 2008-04-25 07:41:02 +0100, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> said:

Quote:
Fith means something akin to 'trust'. It's living in the assumption
that you are right about something about which you could be mistaken.
The nicest analogy I've heard comes from the founder of Sufism. Faith
is like when a rich merchant puts all his goods and gear on board a
ship bound for a distant market. He cann ot be sure that they will ever
reach it, but lives in the assumption that it will.


"I refuse to prove I exist", says god. "Because proof denies
faith and without faith, I am nothing"
[Douglas Adams].

Be very careful here. Whatever Adams's religious beliefs, he was quite
happy to satirise anyone. I fear your argument here may be a pile of
dingo's kidneys.

Quote:

"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational
thinking, which leads by a slippery slope toward
constitutional democracy."
[Robert Anton Wilson]

Unless you think belief in constitutional democracy also involves an
act of faith.

Quote:

Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
[Richard Dawkins]

But then Richard Dawkins is sufficiently intellectually dishonest on
the subject of religion for me to care little for what he says on the
matter.
monkfish
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:51 pm
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:41:02 -0500, bob young wrote:

Quote:
Andrew wrote:

On 2008-04-24 14:39:40 +0100, "Fred Jones" <supportsystem@juno.com
said:

Just what is faith? You here of it all the time. You must have faith
to believe. You must have faith to understand. What is faith and why
is it such a popular buzz-word in the christian world? Is it used
wrong? Is it used right? Is it used too much like the word love so
that it has lost it's real meaning?

Fith means something akin to 'trust'. It's living in the assumption
that you are right about something about which you could be mistaken.
The nicest analogy I've heard comes from the founder of Sufism. Faith
is like when a rich merchant puts all his goods and gear on board a
ship bound for a distant market. He cann ot be sure that they will ever
reach it, but lives in the assumption that it will.


"I refuse to prove I exist", says god. "Because proof denies faith and
without faith, I am nothing" [Douglas Adams].

"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
[Robert Anton Wilson]

Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think
and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because
of, the lack of evidence.
[Richard Dawkins]


Without faith in the scientific method,
we cannot do any science.
Without faith in God,
we cannot understand the meaning of existence.

Faith is trust in human beings, nature,
and reality itself.
Without it,
you would not even know who you are.

--
monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header
because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
Bill M
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:25 am
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Thats is easy. Faith is believing in something for which there is no
objective verifable evidence!

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc22@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:b6e4e70d-5aed-473d-8361-e1e6492a4c0a@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan



http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/ProofsByGOD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:09 am
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convicted neighbor Bill M wrote:
Quote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

Thats is easy. Faith is believing in something for which there is no
objective verifable evidence!

Incorrect.

Many believe that the universe is finite even though there is no
objective verifiable evidence that the universe is finite.

This is not the same as writing that many have faith that the universe
is finite.

Faith is a composite of both belief **and** trusting that one will
receive objective verifiable evidence that the belief is correct.

Your not being correct shows that you are being guided by the spirit
of error (self) and that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to
convict you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul,
dear Bill:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForBill

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http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/GreatAssembly
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:51 am
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http://HeartMDPhD.com/Worthlesssatan

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http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
Bill M
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:46 am
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc22@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:6a05fe15-0f2f-456f-a2c0-1cf636b892dd@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
convicted neighbor Bill M wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

Thats is easy. Faith is believing in something for which there is no
objective verifable evidence!

Incorrect.

Many believe that the universe is finite even though there is no
objective verifiable evidence that the universe is finite.

What does this have to do with evidence of the existence of your god?

Quote:
This is not the same as writing that many have faith that the universe
is finite.

Faith is a composite of both belief **and** trusting that one will
receive objective verifiable evidence that the belief is correct.

This sounds like pure hope - not evidence!

Quote:
Your not being correct shows that you are being guided by the spirit
of error (self) and that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to
convict you:

I'm waiting!

Quote:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul,
dear Bill:

Pray on, it never creates anything but imagination!

Quote:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForBill



http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/GreatAssembly
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:25 pm
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convicted neighbor Phobos wrote:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForPhobos

Quote:
convicted friend monkfish wrote:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForMonkFish

Quote:
Do you have faith in the scientific method?

I believe the scientific method will give us answers.

It has had its utility...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMER

.... but is too limited for one to put one's faith in it for all the
answers.

Quote:
Believing something, like the scientific method, and having faith in
something, liek a God, are two different things.

This would be because GOD is infinite while the scientific method is
limited.

By placing our faith in GOD, it means we believe that GOD is an
infinite and timeless Being **and** we trust that HE will give
objective verifiable evidence that we are right to believe HE is an
infinite and timeless Being with all the answers:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Alpha_Omega

Quote:
If you cannot understand
that and do not know the difference, then no sense continuing since we are
not using the same meanings of the words.

Hopefully what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write above will
promote the greater understanding that is needed to help you further
this discussion for the benefit of all participants and onlookers
while also glorifying GOD.

Laus Deo !

http://HeartMDPhD.com/LausDeo

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