Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood? And have
you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might actually mean?
While there are many people who consider the Bible, and therefore Noah's story,
to be literally true, most educated and intelligent people understand that the
story of Noah's flood is a myth. They understand that Mt. Everest was never
covered in flood water, they understand that the ark could not hold the millions
of species that are now found on earth, and they understand that there is no DNA
evidence to show that all animals on earth came from single breeding pairs just
a few thousand years ago.

But there is one part of the story of Noah's Ark that deserves special
recognition. It shows us something about God that is quite unsettling to any
intelligent person who takes the time to consider his actions. That special
section is this:

God senselessly murdered millions of humans and billions of animals in the
flood
How do we know it was senseless? Because "God" is supposed to be "all-knowing"
and "all-powerful." If God were to exist, God would know what was coming when he
created Adam and Eve. Therefore, God knew he would be murdering millions of
people.
This realization leads to an obvious question: Why didn't God simply speed up
Jesus' arrival to avoid the atrocity that is the flood? Or why didn't God
program Adam and Eve when he created them to completely circumvent the need for
such a horrendous atrocity?

You may have never considered this question, but it is exquisitely important.
Because the flood is an atrocity of the highest order. It is mass murder on a
global scale.

The idea that Christians would accept a mass-murderer as their object of worship
shows us something about Christians, does it not? Think about it

(supposedly) murdering nearly every human on the planet, the Christian God is
far more heinous than Hitler. No "loving" and "perfect" being can also be a
mass-murderer bent of global genocide. Yet Christians willfully worship him.
Why?

If you are a Christian, I would ask you to simply look inside yourself today.
Why would you accept a mass murderer into your life?

And Noah's flood is not the only place where God displays these horrific
tendencies toward mindless slaughter. Here are several other examples.

In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early
massacres:

So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and
Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of
Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the
firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their
livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt
woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of
Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.
Here the death of the children is directly at the hand of God.
In Isaiah chapter 13, God paints this word picture:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children
will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and
their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against
Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies
will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on
helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
Is this the imprint of a "loving" God?
In Jeremiah chapter 49, verse 20, God paints a similar picture:

Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the purposes
which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little ones of
the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be appalled at their
fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall tremble; the sound of their cry
shall be heard at the Red Sea.
In Hosea chapter 13, God paints a similar picture:
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they
shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their
pregnant women ripped open.
In Numbers chapter 31, God paints a similar picture:
Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these caused the
people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against the
LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the congregation of
the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not
known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Here Moses, acting as an agent of God, specifies that thousands of male babies
and children be killed, as well as thousands of women. The Bible states in verse
35 that the captured women numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women
who had not known man by lying with him." This was not a small attack. Tens of
thousands men, women and children were massacred.
In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find this:

Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king of Bashan
with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD said to
me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you with his whole
army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who
reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of
Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. At that time
we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did not
take from them-the whole region of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these
cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were
also a great many unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had
done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city-men, women and children.
But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for
ourselves.
They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's request.
Even in the "New Testament" we find the same sort of thing. In the book of
Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the Bible describes an
amazing massacre of thousands of babies:

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his
mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their
treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh. And
being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they
departed into their own country another way. And when they were departed,
behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and
take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there
until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed
into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled
which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called
my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was
exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in
Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Then was
fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, In Rama was
there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel
weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
Think about the thousands of families who were affected by this massacre. The
Bible describes their suffering: they wept and could not be comforted. Of course
they could not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how
distraught you would feel if an agent of the government came to your door one
morning and slaughtered your children.
Why would God do this? Why would you want anything to do with such a muderous,
horrific being? What can we say about people who would want to believe in such a
being? Why would any normal, intelligent, ethical human being "worship" such a
heinous, demented and despicable "god" as this?

It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be heinous, demented
and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should be able to see that.

This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.

Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood?
And have you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might
actually mean? While there are many people who consider the Bible, and
therefore Noah's story, to be literally true, most educated and
intelligent people understand that the story of Noah's flood is a myth.
They understand that Mt. Everest was never covered in flood water, they
understand that the ark could not hold the millions of species that are
now found on earth, and they understand that there is no DNA evidence to
show that all animals on earth came from single breeding pairs just a
few thousand years ago.

But there is one part of the story of Noah's Ark that deserves special
recognition. It shows us something about God that is quite unsettling to
any intelligent person who takes the time to consider his actions. That
special section is this:

God senselessly murdered millions of humans and billions of animals in
the
flood
How do we know it was senseless? Because "God" is supposed to be
"all-knowing" and "all-powerful." If God were to exist, God would know
what was coming when he created Adam and Eve. Therefore, God knew he
would be murdering millions of people.
This realization leads to an obvious question: Why didn't God simply
speed up Jesus' arrival to avoid the atrocity that is the flood? Or why
didn't God program Adam and Eve when he created them to completely
circumvent the need for such a horrendous atrocity?

You may have never considered this question, but it is exquisitely
important. Because the flood is an atrocity of the highest order. It is
mass murder on a global scale.

The idea that Christians would accept a mass-murderer as their object of
worship shows us something about Christians, does it not? Think about it
- By (supposedly) murdering nearly every human on the planet, the
Christian God is far more heinous than Hitler. No "loving" and "perfect"
being can also be a mass-murderer bent of global genocide. Yet
Christians willfully worship him. Why?

If you are a Christian, I would ask you to simply look inside yourself
today. Why would you accept a mass murderer into your life?

And Noah's flood is not the only place where God displays these horrific
tendencies toward mindless slaughter. Here are several other examples.

In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his
early massacres:

So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through
Moses and
Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the
land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne,
to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn
of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the
people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard
throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone
had not died. Here the death of the children is directly at the hand of
God. In Isaiah chapter 13, God paints this word picture:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little
children
will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be
sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up
the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them
off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.
They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion
for the children. Is this the imprint of a "loving" God? In Jeremiah
chapter 49, verse 20, God paints a similar picture:

Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the
purposes
which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little
ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be
appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall
tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea.
In Hosea chapter 13, God paints a similar picture:
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her
God; they
shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces,
and their pregnant women ripped open.
In Numbers chapter 31, God paints a similar picture:
Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these
caused the
people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against
the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the
congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep
alive for yourselves. Here Moses, acting as an agent of God, specifies
that thousands of male babies and children be killed, as well as
thousands of women. The Bible states in verse 35 that the captured women
numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known
man by lying with him." This was not a small attack. Tens of thousands
men, women and children were massacred. In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find
this:

Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king
of Bashan
with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD
said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you
with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king
of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave
into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down,
leaving no survivors. At that time we took all his cities. There was not
one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them-the whole region
of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these cities were fortified with
high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many
unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with
Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city-men, women and children.
But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off
for ourselves.
They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's
request. Even in the "New Testament" we find the same sort of thing. In
the book of Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the
Bible describes an amazing massacre of thousands of babies:

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with
Mary his
mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened
their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense
and myrrh. And being warned of God in a dream that they should not
return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. And
when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to
Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his
mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word:
for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he
took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which
was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I
called my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise
men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that
were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and
under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the
wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the
prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and
weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would
not be comforted, because they are not. Think about the thousands of
families who were affected by this massacre. The Bible describes their
suffering: they wept and could not be comforted. Of course they could
not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how distraught
you would feel if an agent of the government came to your door one
morning and slaughtered your children. Why would God do this? Why would
you want anything to do with such a muderous, horrific being? What can
we say about people who would want to believe in such a being? Why would
any normal, intelligent, ethical human being "worship" such a heinous,
demented and despicable "god" as this?

It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be heinous,
demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should be able to
see that.

This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:31:48 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood?
And have you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might
actually mean? While there are many people who consider the Bible, and
therefore Noah's story, to be literally true, most educated and
intelligent people understand that the story of Noah's flood is a myth.
They understand that Mt. Everest was never covered in flood water, they
understand that the ark could not hold the millions of species that are
now found on earth, and they understand that there is no DNA evidence to
show that all animals on earth came from single breeding pairs just a
few thousand years ago.

But there is one part of the story of Noah's Ark that deserves special
recognition. It shows us something about God that is quite unsettling to
any intelligent person who takes the time to consider his actions. That
special section is this:

God senselessly murdered millions of humans and billions of animals in
the
flood
How do we know it was senseless? Because "God" is supposed to be
"all-knowing" and "all-powerful." If God were to exist, God would know
what was coming when he created Adam and Eve. Therefore, God knew he
would be murdering millions of people.
This realization leads to an obvious question: Why didn't God simply
speed up Jesus' arrival to avoid the atrocity that is the flood? Or why
didn't God program Adam and Eve when he created them to completely
circumvent the need for such a horrendous atrocity?

You may have never considered this question, but it is exquisitely
important. Because the flood is an atrocity of the highest order. It is
mass murder on a global scale.

The idea that Christians would accept a mass-murderer as their object of
worship shows us something about Christians, does it not? Think about it
- By (supposedly) murdering nearly every human on the planet, the
Christian God is far more heinous than Hitler. No "loving" and "perfect"
being can also be a mass-murderer bent of global genocide. Yet
Christians willfully worship him. Why?

If you are a Christian, I would ask you to simply look inside yourself
today. Why would you accept a mass murderer into your life?

And Noah's flood is not the only place where God displays these horrific
tendencies toward mindless slaughter. Here are several other examples.

In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his
early massacres:

So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through
Moses and
Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the
land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne,
to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn
of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the
people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard
throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone
had not died. Here the death of the children is directly at the hand of
God. In Isaiah chapter 13, God paints this word picture:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little
children
will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be
sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up
the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them
off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.
They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion
for the children. Is this the imprint of a "loving" God? In Jeremiah
chapter 49, verse 20, God paints a similar picture:

Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the
purposes
which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little
ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be
appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall
tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea.
In Hosea chapter 13, God paints a similar picture:
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her
God; they
shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces,
and their pregnant women ripped open.
In Numbers chapter 31, God paints a similar picture:
Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these
caused the
people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against
the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the
congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep
alive for yourselves. Here Moses, acting as an agent of God, specifies
that thousands of male babies and children be killed, as well as
thousands of women. The Bible states in verse 35 that the captured women
numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known
man by lying with him." This was not a small attack. Tens of thousands
men, women and children were massacred. In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find
this:

Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king
of Bashan
with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD
said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you
with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king
of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave
into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down,
leaving no survivors. At that time we took all his cities. There was not
one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them-the whole region
of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these cities were fortified with
high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many
unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with
Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city-men, women and children.
But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off
for ourselves.
They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's
request. Even in the "New Testament" we find the same sort of thing. In
the book of Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the
Bible describes an amazing massacre of thousands of babies:

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with
Mary his
mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened
their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense
and myrrh. And being warned of God in a dream that they should not
return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. And
when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to
Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his
mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word:
for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he
took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which
was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I
called my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise
men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that
were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and
under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the
wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the
prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and
weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would
not be comforted, because they are not. Think about the thousands of
families who were affected by this massacre. The Bible describes their
suffering: they wept and could not be comforted. Of course they could
not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how distraught
you would feel if an agent of the government came to your door one
morning and slaughtered your children. Why would God do this? Why would
you want anything to do with such a muderous, horrific being? What can
we say about people who would want to believe in such a being? Why would
any normal, intelligent, ethical human being "worship" such a heinous,
demented and despicable "god" as this?

It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be heinous,
demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should be able to
see that.

This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.


You misunderstood.

Until you have a mature faith,
feel free to ignore those parts
that confuse you.

--
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because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.

"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:31:48 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be
heinous, demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should
be able to see that.

This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.


You misunderstood.

Love, what did I misunderstand then.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:32:35 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:31:48 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be
heinous, demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should
be able to see that.

This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.


You misunderstood.

Love, what did I misunderstand then.


You think you know what God is
and you also think that
the god as you know it is imaginary.
That does not mean God is imaginary.
It just means you misunderstood God.

Now tell me what you think God is.

Simple. There is no god. There is no jesus christ. There is no devil. There is

--
monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header
because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.

Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood?
And have you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might
actually mean? While there are many people who consider the Bible, and
therefore Noah's story, to be literally true, most educated and
intelligent people understand that the story of Noah's flood is a myth.
They understand that Mt. Everest was never covered in flood water,
Are you a little child who can't figure, that in those times the known

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:31:48 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood?
And have you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might
actually mean? While there are many people who consider the Bible, and
therefore Noah's story, to be literally true, most educated and
intelligent people understand that the story of Noah's flood is a myth.
They understand that Mt. Everest was never covered in flood water, they
understand that the ark could not hold the millions of species that are
now found on earth, and they understand that there is no DNA evidence to
show that all animals on earth came from single breeding pairs just a
few thousand years ago.

But there is one part of the story of Noah's Ark that deserves special
recognition. It shows us something about God that is quite unsettling to
any intelligent person who takes the time to consider his actions. That
special section is this:

God senselessly murdered millions of humans and billions of animals in
the
flood
How do we know it was senseless? Because "God" is supposed to be
"all-knowing" and "all-powerful." If God were to exist, God would know
what was coming when he created Adam and Eve. Therefore, God knew he
would be murdering millions of people.
This realization leads to an obvious question: Why didn't God simply
speed up Jesus' arrival to avoid the atrocity that is the flood? Or why
didn't God program Adam and Eve when he created them to completely
circumvent the need for such a horrendous atrocity?

You may have never considered this question, but it is exquisitely
important. Because the flood is an atrocity of the highest order. It is
mass murder on a global scale.

The idea that Christians would accept a mass-murderer as their object of
worship shows us something about Christians, does it not? Think about it
- By (supposedly) murdering nearly every human on the planet, the
Christian God is far more heinous than Hitler. No "loving" and "perfect"
being can also be a mass-murderer bent of global genocide. Yet
Christians willfully worship him. Why?

If you are a Christian, I would ask you to simply look inside yourself
today. Why would you accept a mass murderer into your life?

And Noah's flood is not the only place where God displays these horrific
tendencies toward mindless slaughter. Here are several other examples.

In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his
early massacres:

So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through
Moses and
Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the
land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne,
to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn
of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the
people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard
throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone
had not died. Here the death of the children is directly at the hand of
God. In Isaiah chapter 13, God paints this word picture:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little
children
will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be
sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up
the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them
off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.
They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion
for the children. Is this the imprint of a "loving" God? In Jeremiah
chapter 49, verse 20, God paints a similar picture:

Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the
purposes
which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little
ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be
appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall
tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea.
In Hosea chapter 13, God paints a similar picture:
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her
God; they
shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces,
and their pregnant women ripped open.
In Numbers chapter 31, God paints a similar picture:
Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these
caused the
people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against
the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the
congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep
alive for yourselves. Here Moses, acting as an agent of God, specifies
that thousands of male babies and children be killed, as well as
thousands of women. The Bible states in verse 35 that the captured women
numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known
man by lying with him." This was not a small attack. Tens of thousands
men, women and children were massacred. In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find
this:

Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king
of Bashan
with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD
said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you
with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king
of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave
into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down,
leaving no survivors. At that time we took all his cities. There was not
one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them-the whole region
of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these cities were fortified with
high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many
unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with
Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city-men, women and children.
But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off
for ourselves.
They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's
request. Even in the "New Testament" we find the same sort of thing. In
the book of Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the
Bible describes an amazing massacre of thousands of babies:

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with
Mary his
mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened
their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense
and myrrh. And being warned of God in a dream that they should not
return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. And
when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to
Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his
mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word:
for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he
took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which
was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I
called my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise
men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that
were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and
under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the
wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the
prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and
weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would
not be comforted, because they are not. Think about the thousands of
families who were affected by this massacre. The Bible describes their
suffering: they wept and could not be comforted. Of course they could
not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how distraught
you would feel if an agent of the government came to your door one
morning and slaughtered your children. Why would God do this? Why would
you want anything to do with such a muderous, horrific being? What can
we say about people who would want to believe in such a being? Why would
any normal, intelligent, ethical human being "worship" such a heinous,
demented and despicable "god" as this?
It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be heinous,
demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should be able to
see that.
This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.

You misunderstood.
Until you have a mature faith,
feel free to ignore those parts
that confuse you.

Actually why should God NOT be "Imaginary" also. Money is imaginary,

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:31:48 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood?
And have you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might
actually mean? While there are many people who consider the Bible, and
therefore Noah's story, to be literally true, most educated and
intelligent people understand that the story of Noah's flood is a myth.
They understand that Mt. Everest was never covered in flood water, they
understand that the ark could not hold the millions of species that are
now found on earth, and they understand that there is no DNA evidence to
show that all animals on earth came from single breeding pairs just a
few thousand years ago.

But there is one part of the story of Noah's Ark that deserves special
recognition. It shows us something about God that is quite unsettling to
any intelligent person who takes the time to consider his actions. That
special section is this:

God senselessly murdered millions of humans and billions of animals in
the
flood
How do we know it was senseless? Because "God" is supposed to be
"all-knowing" and "all-powerful." If God were to exist, God would know
what was coming when he created Adam and Eve. Therefore, God knew he
would be murdering millions of people.
This realization leads to an obvious question: Why didn't God simply
speed up Jesus' arrival to avoid the atrocity that is the flood? Or why
didn't God program Adam and Eve when he created them to completely
circumvent the need for such a horrendous atrocity?

You may have never considered this question, but it is exquisitely
important. Because the flood is an atrocity of the highest order. It is
mass murder on a global scale.

The idea that Christians would accept a mass-murderer as their object of
worship shows us something about Christians, does it not? Think about it
- By (supposedly) murdering nearly every human on the planet, the
Christian God is far more heinous than Hitler. No "loving" and "perfect"
being can also be a mass-murderer bent of global genocide. Yet
Christians willfully worship him. Why?

If you are a Christian, I would ask you to simply look inside yourself
today. Why would you accept a mass murderer into your life?

And Noah's flood is not the only place where God displays these horrific
tendencies toward mindless slaughter. Here are several other examples.

In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his
early massacres:

So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through
Moses and
Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the
land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne,
to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn
of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the
people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard
throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone
had not died. Here the death of the children is directly at the hand of
God. In Isaiah chapter 13, God paints this word picture:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little
children
will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be
sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up
the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them
off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.
They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion
for the children. Is this the imprint of a "loving" God? In Jeremiah
chapter 49, verse 20, God paints a similar picture:

Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the
purposes
which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little
ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be
appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall
tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea.
In Hosea chapter 13, God paints a similar picture:
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her
God; they
shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces,
and their pregnant women ripped open.
In Numbers chapter 31, God paints a similar picture:
Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these
caused the
people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against
the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the
congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep
alive for yourselves. Here Moses, acting as an agent of God, specifies
that thousands of male babies and children be killed, as well as
thousands of women. The Bible states in verse 35 that the captured women
numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known
man by lying with him." This was not a small attack. Tens of thousands
men, women and children were massacred. In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find
this:

Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king
of Bashan
with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD
said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you
with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king
of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave
into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down,
leaving no survivors. At that time we took all his cities. There was not
one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them-the whole region
of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these cities were fortified with
high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many
unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with
Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city-men, women and children.
But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off
for ourselves.
They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's
request. Even in the "New Testament" we find the same sort of thing. In
the book of Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the
Bible describes an amazing massacre of thousands of babies:

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with
Mary his
mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened
their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense
and myrrh. And being warned of God in a dream that they should not
return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. And
when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to
Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his
mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word:
for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he
took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which
was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I
called my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise
men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that
were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and
under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the
wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the
prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and
weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would
not be comforted, because they are not. Think about the thousands of
families who were affected by this massacre. The Bible describes their
suffering: they wept and could not be comforted. Of course they could
not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how distraught
you would feel if an agent of the government came to your door one
morning and slaughtered your children. Why would God do this? Why would
you want anything to do with such a muderous, horrific being? What can
we say about people who would want to believe in such a being? Why would
any normal, intelligent, ethical human being "worship" such a heinous,
demented and despicable "god" as this?

It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be heinous,
demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should be able to
see that.

This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.

You misunderstood.

Until you have a mature faith,

feel free to ignore those parts
that confuse you.

--
monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header
because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:32:35 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:31:48 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be
heinous, demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should
be able to see that.

This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.


You misunderstood.

Love, what did I misunderstand then.

You think you know what God is
and you also think that
the god as you know it is imaginary.
That does not mean God is imaginary.
It just means you misunderstood God.

Now tell me what you think God is.

--
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because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.

"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:32:35 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:31:48 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be
heinous, demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should
be able to see that.

This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.


You misunderstood.

Love, what did I misunderstand then.


You think you know what God is
and you also think that
the god as you know it is imaginary.
That does not mean God is imaginary.
It just means you misunderstood God.

Now tell me what you think God is.

Simple. There is no god. There is no jesus christ. There is no devil. There is
no heaven. There is no hell or hell fire. There are no demons. There are no
twenty four elders.There was not a world wide flood. There was no talking
donkey. The book is fiction.

--
monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header
because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.

"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:31:48 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:

Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood?
And have you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might
actually mean? While there are many people who consider the Bible, and
therefore Noah's story, to be literally true, most educated and
intelligent people understand that the story of Noah's flood is a myth.
They understand that Mt. Everest was never covered in flood water, they
understand that the ark could not hold the millions of species that are
now found on earth, and they understand that there is no DNA evidence to
show that all animals on earth came from single breeding pairs just a
few thousand years ago.

But there is one part of the story of Noah's Ark that deserves special
recognition. It shows us something about God that is quite unsettling to
any intelligent person who takes the time to consider his actions. That
special section is this:

God senselessly murdered millions of humans and billions of animals in
the
flood
How do we know it was senseless? Because "God" is supposed to be
"all-knowing" and "all-powerful." If God were to exist, God would know
what was coming when he created Adam and Eve. Therefore, God knew he
would be murdering millions of people.
This realization leads to an obvious question: Why didn't God simply
speed up Jesus' arrival to avoid the atrocity that is the flood? Or why
didn't God program Adam and Eve when he created them to completely
circumvent the need for such a horrendous atrocity?

You may have never considered this question, but it is exquisitely
important. Because the flood is an atrocity of the highest order. It is
mass murder on a global scale.

The idea that Christians would accept a mass-murderer as their object of
worship shows us something about Christians, does it not? Think about it
- By (supposedly) murdering nearly every human on the planet, the
Christian God is far more heinous than Hitler. No "loving" and "perfect"
being can also be a mass-murderer bent of global genocide. Yet
Christians willfully worship him. Why?

If you are a Christian, I would ask you to simply look inside yourself
today. Why would you accept a mass murderer into your life?

And Noah's flood is not the only place where God displays these horrific
tendencies toward mindless slaughter. Here are several other examples.

In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his
early massacres:

So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through
Moses and
Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the
land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne,
to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn
of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the
people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard
throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone
had not died. Here the death of the children is directly at the hand of
God. In Isaiah chapter 13, God paints this word picture:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little
children
will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be
sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up
the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them
off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.
They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion
for the children. Is this the imprint of a "loving" God? In Jeremiah
chapter 49, verse 20, God paints a similar picture:

Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the
purposes
which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little
ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be
appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall
tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea.
In Hosea chapter 13, God paints a similar picture:
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her
God; they
shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces,
and their pregnant women ripped open.
In Numbers chapter 31, God paints a similar picture:
Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these
caused the
people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against
the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the
congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep
alive for yourselves. Here Moses, acting as an agent of God, specifies
that thousands of male babies and children be killed, as well as
thousands of women. The Bible states in verse 35 that the captured women
numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known
man by lying with him." This was not a small attack. Tens of thousands
men, women and children were massacred. In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find
this:

Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king
of Bashan
with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD
said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you
with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king
of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave
into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down,
leaving no survivors. At that time we took all his cities. There was not
one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them-the whole region
of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these cities were fortified with
high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many
unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with
Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city-men, women and children.
But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off
for ourselves.
They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's
request. Even in the "New Testament" we find the same sort of thing. In
the book of Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the
Bible describes an amazing massacre of thousands of babies:

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with
Mary his
mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened
their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense
and myrrh. And being warned of God in a dream that they should not
return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. And
when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to
Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his
mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word:
for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he
took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which
was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I
called my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise
men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that
were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and
under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the
wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the
prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and
weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would
not be comforted, because they are not. Think about the thousands of
families who were affected by this massacre. The Bible describes their
suffering: they wept and could not be comforted. Of course they could
not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how distraught
you would feel if an agent of the government came to your door one
morning and slaughtered your children. Why would God do this? Why would
you want anything to do with such a muderous, horrific being? What can
we say about people who would want to believe in such a being? Why would
any normal, intelligent, ethical human being "worship" such a heinous,
demented and despicable "god" as this?
It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be heinous,
demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should be able to
see that.
This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.

You misunderstood.
Until you have a mature faith,
feel free to ignore those parts
that confuse you.

Actually why should God NOT be "Imaginary" also. Money is imaginary, isn't
it? Unless you imagine it has value, it's just a little piece of worthless
paper. Animals and atheists attach no value to God, but thinking people do,
and that is the difference.

Frank you and I are nothing more than highly evolved animals. It is the higher

"Fred Jones" <supportsystem@juno.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood? And
have you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might actually
mean? While there are many people who consider the Bible, and therefore
Noah's story, to be literally true, most educated and intelligent people
understand that the story of Noah's flood is a myth. They understand that Mt.
Everest was never covered in flood water,
Are you a little child who can't figure, that in those times the known
world didn't include "Mt. Everest"?

The "known world" did not know about the America's yet either. Your argument is

"Fred Jones" <supportsystem@juno.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood?
And have you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might
actually mean? While there are many people who consider the Bible, and
therefore Noah's story, to be literally true, most educated and
intelligent people understand that the story of Noah's flood is a myth.
They understand that Mt. Everest was never covered in flood water,
Are you a little child who can't figure, that in those times the known
world didn't include "Mt. Everest"?