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Paul Thomas, CPA
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:09 pm
Guest
"z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote
Quote:
ah, so the evidence which convinced you that "the
average temperature on Earth has remained steady
or slowly declined during the past decade"



I never said that.

Check your sources.
Guest
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:11 pm
On Apr 24, 8:32 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 24, 8:14 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0%2C25197%2C23583376-50134...

Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh

Phil Chapman | April 23, 2008

And another article:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Earth/Are_we_heading_to_ice_age/a...

And this week....
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2238317.0.Doubt_is_cast_over_global_warming.php
Bob Brock
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:09 pm
Guest
On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:00:48 -0700, Dan <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Bob Brock wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:20:19 -0400, "Paul Thomas, CPA"
paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote
If you are prepared, you shouldn't be afraid.
If you aren't prepared after being told about
the risks, the cleansing of the gene pool will
not only be refreshing, it will be entertaining.




Let me ask you this: Wouldn't the African Pigmy Tribes be more able to
survive a total depletion of oil better than the wired and fired hi-tech
world of New Yorkers? And the best part is, they won't even know what's
happening - if indeed it happens as you want desperately to believe.

So in the end, "the least of you" will inherit what's left of the earth
rings true.

I would venture to say that there are some tribes and communities that
would hardly notice the demise of civilization via economic collapse.
A major cooling would possibly benefit some places.

With the simple exception that humans are MOBILE, and some people, if it
came to it, would try to move in on the areas inhabited by the [tribe of
choice]. The people coming might well have the numbers, weapon
superiority, and desperation to at least cause a dent in the knowledge
bank of the tribe.

Things will get very ugly under such circumstances, and it will be a
crapshoot as to what genes are lucky enough to survive (as it has always
been).

Dan

If you say so. What happens when unprecedented things happen are
unprecedented. However, if you look at similar events throughout
history, you don't see people moving into the rainforests and jungles
to live. They tend to stay pretty much where they are familiar with
their surroundings until the end.
Dan
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:36 pm
Guest
Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
Quote:
"Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
"Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
With the simple exception that humans are MOBILE,
Much less so these days without petroleum fuels.
People can travel long distances on foot.

I'm sure of that. But at a much more slower pace, with much less luggage.
So you tell me, are they carying tons of guns and ammo, or food to eat on
their quest to "cause a dent" in some third world country for reasons yet to
be known.

Who said anything about traveling TO a third world country?

Quote:
How much pain are they feeling "at the pump" when they still get around
on foot, a cart pulled by oxen, etc. How difficult will their lives be
when the world's electrical grid goes dark, since they live without
electricity and in the dark their whole lives.
When EVERYONE is desperate, things will not be quite as they are today...

Not in rural Burkina Faso. They'll not be as desperate as say, you will be.

But the people in URBAN Burkina Faso may be.
Quote:

Yeah, "Wow, there's no oil or electricity here,
let's go to Sub-Africa to have a better life."
Where did you get that?

From you.

Nope, you made it up.

Quote:
You're the one who proposed that massive groups of armed men,
women and children wil desend upon places that can (because they do) survive
on nothing.

Well, they are obviously NOT surviving on nothing...
Quote:

Are you of the opinion that there are only rural tribes in Africa. How
charmingly naive.

Yet, you proclaimed that:
"With the simple exception that humans are MOBILE,
and some people, if it came to it, would try to move in
on the areas inhabited by the [tribe of choice]. The
people coming might well have the numbers, weapon
superiority, and desperation to at least cause a dent
in the knowledge bank of the tribe."

Yes, I said that.

Quote:
Are you of the opinion that there are only rural unarmed, inept at
protecting themselves, tribes in Africa?

Not at all. Nowhere in that text can that be inferred.

Quote:
Seem as if you believe that someone who hasn't the food to ewat will carry
heavy weaponry across water - on foot - to do battle with people who have
been surviving on their lands for decades without running water in some
cases.

I believe no such thing. That is YOUR take on the situation, not what I
wrote.

Your biases are blinding you to the obvious. Take the step outside your
box, and read what I said, and assume it makes sense (because it does).
Then the actual meaning should become clear.

Dan
Dan
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:42 pm
Guest
Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
Quote:
"Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
Look up exactly WHEN the area became "fertile."





Apparently, according to you, shortly after someone brought a gallon of gas
out west.

Are you this lazy in your job, too?

Quote:
But the fact remains, you can take 600,000 cubic feet of natural gas to both
poles of the earth and not have anything close to fertile soil for crops.

Well, they do use natural gas in making fertilizer, but that is not what
I am getting at.

You made some silly statements, I just corrected them. YOU do the
legwork to acquire the needed background knowledge to understand the
actual situation, then come back and talk reasonably.

Quote:
And the fact remains that 100 billion cubic feet of natural gas can't make a
flower grow in the desert sands.

It sure can, when used correctly (as it was and is). Good thing you
were not in charge of the development project, isn't it!

Quote:
In fact, gas is pretty far down the list of things necessary to grow crops.

Not a farmer, either. Well, that was obvious from the start.

Quote:
Water, nutrients, oxygen, and a seed are necessary.

2 out of 4 of those were generated by __________ (fill in the blank).

Quote:
Soil would be oh so
helpful, but you can grow plants in almost anything, even a sponge, plastic
mulch, and other synthetic fibers. Gas - petroleum gas - isn't on the list
of necessary things.

If you say so. You MIGHT want to ask a farmer.

Quote:
So, why was it that you predicted armed groups of people would walk across
water to invade some third world country again?

I never said that, you did. Why do YOU think they would?

Dan
Dan
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:45 pm
Guest
Bob Brock wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:00:48 -0700, Dan <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote:

Bob Brock wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:20:19 -0400, "Paul Thomas, CPA"
paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote
If you are prepared, you shouldn't be afraid.
If you aren't prepared after being told about
the risks, the cleansing of the gene pool will
not only be refreshing, it will be entertaining.



Let me ask you this: Wouldn't the African Pigmy Tribes be more able to
survive a total depletion of oil better than the wired and fired hi-tech
world of New Yorkers? And the best part is, they won't even know what's
happening - if indeed it happens as you want desperately to believe.

So in the end, "the least of you" will inherit what's left of the earth
rings true.
I would venture to say that there are some tribes and communities that
would hardly notice the demise of civilization via economic collapse.
A major cooling would possibly benefit some places.
With the simple exception that humans are MOBILE, and some people, if it
came to it, would try to move in on the areas inhabited by the [tribe of
choice]. The people coming might well have the numbers, weapon
superiority, and desperation to at least cause a dent in the knowledge
bank of the tribe.

Things will get very ugly under such circumstances, and it will be a
crapshoot as to what genes are lucky enough to survive (as it has always
been).

Dan

If you say so. What happens when unprecedented things happen are
unprecedented. However, if you look at similar events throughout
history, you don't see people moving into the rainforests and jungles
to live. They tend to stay pretty much where they are familiar with
their surroundings until the end.

Some do, some are more adventurous.

Dan
Bob Brock
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:49 pm
Guest
On Thu, 01 May 2008 16:45:00 -0700, Dan <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Bob Brock wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:00:48 -0700, Dan <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote:

Bob Brock wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:20:19 -0400, "Paul Thomas, CPA"
paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote
If you are prepared, you shouldn't be afraid.
If you aren't prepared after being told about
the risks, the cleansing of the gene pool will
not only be refreshing, it will be entertaining.



Let me ask you this: Wouldn't the African Pigmy Tribes be more able to
survive a total depletion of oil better than the wired and fired hi-tech
world of New Yorkers? And the best part is, they won't even know what's
happening - if indeed it happens as you want desperately to believe.

So in the end, "the least of you" will inherit what's left of the earth
rings true.
I would venture to say that there are some tribes and communities that
would hardly notice the demise of civilization via economic collapse.
A major cooling would possibly benefit some places.
With the simple exception that humans are MOBILE, and some people, if it
came to it, would try to move in on the areas inhabited by the [tribe of
choice]. The people coming might well have the numbers, weapon
superiority, and desperation to at least cause a dent in the knowledge
bank of the tribe.

Things will get very ugly under such circumstances, and it will be a
crapshoot as to what genes are lucky enough to survive (as it has always
been).

Dan

If you say so. What happens when unprecedented things happen are
unprecedented. However, if you look at similar events throughout
history, you don't see people moving into the rainforests and jungles
to live. They tend to stay pretty much where they are familiar with
their surroundings until the end.

Some do, some are more adventurous.

Since it's unprecedented, your opinion is as valid as mine. Me? I'll
prepare for my opinion and live with the consequences should it
happen.
Paul Thomas
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:15 pm
Guest
"Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
Quote:
Who said anything about traveling TO a third world country?


You did.




Quote:
Yet, you proclaimed that:
"With the simple exception that humans are MOBILE,
and some people, if it came to it, would try to move in
on the areas inhabited by the [tribe of choice]. The
people coming might well have the numbers, weapon
superiority, and desperation to at least cause a dent
in the knowledge bank of the tribe."

Yes, I said that.
Paul Thomas
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:16 pm
Guest
"Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
Quote:
Are you this lazy in your job, too?



So you can create fertile soil with gas alone?
 
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