On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:32:53 -0700 (PDT),
hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:

On Apr 29, 2:12 am, Bob Brock <bbr...@i-americia.net> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:10:59 -0700 (PDT),





hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 25, 12:14 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0%2C25197%2C23583376-50134...
Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh
Phil Chapman | April 23, 2008
THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet iswww.spaceweather.com,
where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and
Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium
point between solar and terrestrial gravity.
What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny
sunspot.
Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the
average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined
during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the
atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global
temperature is falling precipitously.
All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies
in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and
Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by
about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the
instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the
temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that
global warming is over.
snip
Inexperienced meteorologists often find themselves "chasing"
observations. That is a useless exercise. I imagine climatologists
do the same thing to the same end.
When I was in high school, were were facing an ice age. Oil would run
out by Y2K. And we were switching to the metric system.
We are Y2k+8. Noticed anything significant happening to oil prices
during that time frame? Yeah, I know you want to blame Bush.
Yeh. Stop the pumps. There's no more oil. Bush made it all go away.

A little later, Howard Ruff predicted an impending economic collapse
and the Hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market.
I just don't get excited by the fear mongers anymore.
I just don't get excited by the fear mongers onymore.

If you are prepared, you shouldn't be afraid.

If you aren't prepared
after being told about the risks, the cleansing of the gene pool will
not only be refreshing, it will be entertaining.

On Apr 28, 11:23 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:

The facts don't lie.

Temperatures have been falling for the last decade.

Graham

show us the graph.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0%2C25197%2C23583376-5013480%2C00.html

Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh

Phil Chapman | April 23, 2008

THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com,
where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and
Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point
between solar and terrestrial gravity.

What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the
average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during
the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric
concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling
precipitously.

All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in
New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote
Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in
2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record
and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not
soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.
snip

"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote
If you are prepared, you shouldn't be afraid.
If you aren't prepared after being told about
the risks, the cleansing of the gene pool will
not only be refreshing, it will be entertaining.





Let me ask you this: Wouldn't the African Pigmy Tribes be more able to
survive a total depletion of oil better than the wired and fired hi-tech
world of New Yorkers? And the best part is, they won't even know what's
happening - if indeed it happens as you want desperately to believe.

So in the end, "the least of you" will inherit what's left of the earth
rings true.

Bob Brock wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:32:53 -0700 (PDT),
hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:

On Apr 29, 2:12 am, Bob Brock <bbr...@i-americia.net> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:10:59 -0700 (PDT),





hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 25, 12:14 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0%2C25197%2C23583376-50134...
Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh
Phil Chapman | April 23, 2008
THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet iswww.spaceweather.com,
where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and
Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium
point between solar and terrestrial gravity.
What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny
sunspot.
Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the
average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined
during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the
atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global
temperature is falling precipitously.
All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies
in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and
Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by
about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the
instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the
temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that
global warming is over.
snip
Inexperienced meteorologists often find themselves "chasing"
observations. That is a useless exercise. I imagine climatologists
do the same thing to the same end.
When I was in high school, were were facing an ice age. Oil would run
out by Y2K. And we were switching to the metric system.
We are Y2k+8. Noticed anything significant happening to oil prices
during that time frame? Yeah, I know you want to blame Bush.
Yeh. Stop the pumps. There's no more oil. Bush made it all go away.

A little later, Howard Ruff predicted an impending economic collapse
and the Hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market.
I just don't get excited by the fear mongers anymore.
I just don't get excited by the fear mongers onymore.

If you are prepared, you shouldn't be afraid.

There really is no suitable preparation for the next ice age (triggered
by the current global warming).

If you aren't prepared
after being told about the risks, the cleansing of the gene pool will
not only be refreshing, it will be entertaining.

But you have no idea what genes will permit survival under conditions to
prevail at a later date, so that is a silly statement.

The facts don't lie.

Temperatures have been falling for the last decade.

Graham

show us the graph.

The reference in the article is from:http://www.spaceweather.com

Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the
average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined
during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the

show us the graph.

Well, some people vowed it'd be a "cold day in hell" when they would file a
tax return again, but the lure of getting a couple of hundred bucks had them
lining up on April 15th - the coldest it's ever been on April 15th in eons -
to file their returns.

Oh yeah, the end of April (well, ok, it was last night) had frost and freeze
warnings through all north Georgia.

--
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
----------------
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:20:19 -0400, "Paul Thomas, CPA"
paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote
If you are prepared, you shouldn't be afraid.
If you aren't prepared after being told about
the risks, the cleansing of the gene pool will
not only be refreshing, it will be entertaining.




Let me ask you this: Wouldn't the African Pigmy Tribes be more able to
survive a total depletion of oil better than the wired and fired hi-tech
world of New Yorkers? And the best part is, they won't even know what's
happening - if indeed it happens as you want desperately to believe.

So in the end, "the least of you" will inherit what's left of the earth
rings true.

I would venture to say that there are some tribes and communities that
would hardly notice the demise of civilization via economic collapse.
A major cooling would possibly benefit some places.

With the simple exception that humans are MOBILE,

and some people, if it came to it, would try to move
in on the areas inhabited by the [tribe of choice].

Things will get very ugly under such circumstances,

and it will be a crapshoot as to what genes are lucky enough to survive

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:29:49 -0700, Dan <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote:

Bob Brock wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:32:53 -0700 (PDT),
hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:

On Apr 29, 2:12 am, Bob Brock <bbr...@i-americia.net> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:10:59 -0700 (PDT),





hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 25, 12:14 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0%2C25197%2C23583376-50134...
Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh
Phil Chapman | April 23, 2008
THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet iswww.spaceweather.com,
where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and
Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium
point between solar and terrestrial gravity.
What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny
sunspot.
Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the
average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined
during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the
atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global
temperature is falling precipitously.
All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies
in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and
Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by
about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the
instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the
temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that
global warming is over.
snip
Inexperienced meteorologists often find themselves "chasing"
observations. That is a useless exercise. I imagine climatologists
do the same thing to the same end.
When I was in high school, were were facing an ice age. Oil would run
out by Y2K. And we were switching to the metric system.
We are Y2k+8. Noticed anything significant happening to oil prices
during that time frame? Yeah, I know you want to blame Bush.
Yeh. Stop the pumps. There's no more oil. Bush made it all go away.

A little later, Howard Ruff predicted an impending economic collapse
and the Hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market.
I just don't get excited by the fear mongers anymore.
I just don't get excited by the fear mongers onymore.
If you are prepared, you shouldn't be afraid.
There really is no suitable preparation for the next ice age (triggered
by the current global warming).

Mankind's predecessors didn't completely die out during the last one.

I think that something else, or perhaps several something else's, will
cull mankind before we reach the next ice age. Oil depletion being
one of them. Which is why I pointed out that current oil prices
support peak oil theory.

If you aren't prepared
after being told about the risks, the cleansing of the gene pool will
not only be refreshing, it will be entertaining.
But you have no idea what genes will permit survival under conditions to
prevail at a later date, so that is a silly statement.

There are things that one can do to prepare for oil shortages,
economic collapse, and the wars to control energy supplies.

There is a lot of farmland in the Great American Desert
(remember that phrase - it is the current breadbasket of
the continent) that is inhospitable without a cheap source
of natural gas. Think Dust Bowl for what it used to be like.

"Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
With the simple exception that humans are MOBILE,

Much less so these days without petroleum fuels.

and some people, if it came to it, would try to move
in on the areas inhabited by the [tribe of choice].

To what end? There's nothing there that anyone wants. Those people don't
have food, oil, housing, health care, etc.

The point is that they haven't had these things for eons, or at least not to
the point of dependency upon them.

How much pain are they feeling "at the
pump" when they still get around on foot, a cart pulled by oxen, etc. How
difficult will their lives be when the world's electrical grid goes dark,
since they live without electricity and in the dark their whole lives.

Things will get very ugly under such circumstances,

Yeah, "Wow, there's no oil or electricity here, let's go to Sub-Africa to
have a better life."

and it will be a crapshoot as to what genes are lucky enough to survive

No computer, no cell phone, no TV, no Wii, no car, no heat, no AC, no
grocery......

You'd be lucky to last a week.

"Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
There is a lot of farmland in the Great American Desert
(remember that phrase - it is the current breadbasket of
the continent) that is inhospitable without a cheap source
of natural gas. Think Dust Bowl for what it used to be like.

What an idiot you are. Do you just not know the mechanics of what caused
the dust bowl era here in the US? Prior to that time, it was fertile for
the types of natural crops and grasses that it reaped.

If anything, irrigation (water) is more important than gas in farming those,
or almost any other lands.

Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
"Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
With the simple exception that humans are MOBILE,

Much less so these days without petroleum fuels.

People can travel long distances on foot.

How much pain are they feeling "at the pump" when they still get around
on foot, a cart pulled by oxen, etc. How difficult will their lives be
when the world's electrical grid goes dark, since they live without
electricity and in the dark their whole lives.

When EVERYONE is desperate, things will not be quite as they are today...

Yeah, "Wow, there's no oil or electricity here,
let's go to Sub-Africa to have a better life."

Where did you get that?

Are you of the opinion that there are only rural tribes in Africa. How
charmingly naive.

Look up exactly WHEN the area became "fertile."