Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading these
posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.

Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals like
yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me wonder
what side you are on.

On Apr 28, 4:41 pm, gfnaj...@nospam.net wrote:
Run along and play right wing dumbass somwhere else junior. -->There was
no connection between 9-11 and iraq.

In <4fd99850-121a-49dc-ae76-a72a2e385...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, on
04/28/2008
at 10:25 AM, Michae...@gmail.com said:

On Apr 28, 11:44 am, gfnaj...@nospam.net wrote:
Run along junior and play somewhere else. Saddam had nothing to do with
9-11, and was no threat to the US. It was all a right wing kook lie --
that you love, or you would not be here whining.

In <8795140c-9c1a-4169-8225-9d92b2a07...@b5g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, on
04/28/2008
at 08:25 AM, Michae...@gmail.com said:

On Apr 26, 10:55 am, gfnaj...@nospam.net wrote:
In <pan.2008.04.26.12.53...@X.net>, on 04/26/2008
at 12:34 PM, Zerkonx <Z...@X.net> said:

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:17:14 -0400, Professor Irwin Corey wrote: >> A
well learned lesson. Early in this Iraq war I read there is a
building
in Washington for 1200 employees whose job is psyops. Psyops is
producing propaganda lies for both the enemy and the American people.
Actually, that's what they WANT you to believe
What they WANT you to believe is that this is something 'new' forced by
'new' demands.

That's correct. The right wign kooks no long have the commies to fight
forever, so they have created a new group; a bunch arab desert dweller
that have to be fought for the next 100 years... Not to mention the need
to capture their natural resources, so American companies can still steal
from the world's people.

The right wing kooks are begging for the chance to use nuclear weapons
too.
Let me guess you think the US was behind 9/11 also. Just want to see
which ward of the mental institute you escaped from.
I understand that old people get senile so I wont begrudge you the fact
that somehow you think I am your son, but I'm not. However, to address
another one of your "senior" moments I'll talk slow. The war on terrorism
is not to avenge 9/11 but to prevent it from happening again. Our
military actions are aimed towards that goal. It seem fairly obvious
after the fact but Iraq contains elements that are involved in
terroristic activities. Fortunately for us we can kill them over there
without having to wait until they come here. I know maybe you were
confused and thought we were talking about "a rack" instead of Iraq. I
hope this clears things up.
Please for all of our sakes make sure you dentures are firmly in place
before replying.

Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.

Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.

MichaelNJ@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0ff908be-5aba-406b-83c0-b3db8045fb3a@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...

Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.


LOL What's more scary than any potential terrorism, is that you and so
many others really believe what you just wrote.


Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.


If you really cared about your nation and it's people, you wouldn't be so
damn gullible and ill-informed, and you sure wouldn't be spreading this
mindless propaganda based on illusions and spin, imho.

But that's life on planet earth isn;t it? :-)

Here's another "trick" question.

Can you describe the Worldwide Organisational Structure of the Al Queda
Terrorist Organisation and how it operates - and point to clear evidence
to back up any claims as to it's existence and personell, and connections?

Furthermore .. how does one go to War against something that isn't really
there?

Here's a clue ... In Vietnam the USA was in a pitched battle to stop the
Dominoe Theory from becoming a reality.

The problem .... it was just a "theory" ... it wasn't really real. How can
one win a war against some entity or word or theory that isn't even real?

"Sean" <wazzup@bro.org> wrote in message
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MichaelNJ@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.


LOL What's more scary than any potential terrorism, is that you and so
many others really believe what you just wrote.


Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.


If you really cared about your nation and it's people, you wouldn't be so
damn gullible and ill-informed, and you sure wouldn't be spreading this
mindless propaganda based on illusions and spin, imho.

But that's life on planet earth isn;t it? :-)

Here's another "trick" question.

Can you describe the Worldwide Organisational Structure of the Al Queda
Terrorist Organisation and how it operates - and point to clear evidence
to back up any claims as to it's existence and personell, and connections?

Furthermore .. how does one go to War against something that isn't really
there?

Here's a clue ... In Vietnam the USA was in a pitched battle to stop the
Dominoe Theory from becoming a reality.

The problem .... it was just a "theory" ... it wasn't really real. How can
one win a war against some entity or word or theory that isn't even real?

It was pretty real to the South Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory

What makes you think Bush and others are telling the truth about the
invasion of Iraq, and the subsequent debacle there?

What issues of truth are in doubt in your mind? Do you question who was
behind 9/11?

like those that caused 9/11 that are seeking to do "us" harm? Do you
questions whether the areas being targeted by the US military harbor such
groups? Or do you question whether we are fighting them (or if it is all
a grand illusion)? The only debacle is the liberal response to our
efforts to preserve our way of life.


What makes you think Bush and co are telling the whole truth about al queda,
and "terrorism" in general?

please see above


Has it ever occurred to you that maybe matters such as 9/11, Vietnam, and
Iraq are more the result of blatant USA incompetence than anything else?

So if a mugger breaks into your house and kills your children and steals
your stuff, is it your fault that you did not have a good enough
"deterrent". <maybe> Do you consider this as a viable excuse for the
muggers actions? <I would think not> And ... what is most important ...
does the fact that your deterrent was not sufficient in the past dictate
that you not defend your home from here on out?

Certainly their have been issues with US foreign policy that have
fostered some of the conditions that we see today (the entire Jimmy
Carter fiasco in handling Iran comes to mind), but unless you belong to
the lunatic fringe that thinks the Jews/US were behind 9/11 that does not
mean we should role over and just give in to those who would use terror
against us. Primarily for two reasons: 1) they wont stop just because
we tell them we agree with them and 2) whether right or wrong our
political leaders need to protect American interests today irregardless
of the past.


I mean, even as a minute possibility, that you and many others might be
actually totally wrong about what you believe because of what you've been
told [sold]?

It appears that your argument is that your distrust of the current
political environment is greater then your fear of the what the terrorist
would do to the US. The view point assumes that our current political
leaders hate us and wish us harm (what other motives would they have).
You may believe that but I do not. It does not match their previous
actions.


Think about it. Maybe even dig a little deeper and challenge yourself to
question "on what basis of fact/knowledge are you basing your beliefs upon"?

Do you even see the world events that are happening. Do you see what is
happening in Europe, Asia, the Middle East. Their are forces at work
which hate western culture and that seek power. They are more then
willing to kill anyone that stands in their way and use the religion of
Islam to accomplish their goals. Do you somehow not see this? Do you
think the 9/11 bogeyman does not exist? If you do see this, what is your
plan to combat this evil?


And why do you choose to believe it?

THX

"Sean" <wazzup@bro.org> wrote in message
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MichaelNJ@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.


LOL What's more scary than any potential terrorism, is that you and so
many others really believe what you just wrote.



Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.


If you really cared about your nation and it's people, you wouldn't be so
damn gullible and ill-informed, and you sure wouldn't be spreading this
mindless propaganda based on illusions and spin, imho.

But that's life on planet earth isn;t it? :-)

Here's another "trick" question.

Can you describe the Worldwide Organisational Structure of the Al Queda
Terrorist Organisation and how it operates - and point to clear evidence
to back up any claims as to it's existence and personell, and connections?

Furthermore .. how does one go to War against something that isn't really
there?

Here's a clue ... In Vietnam the USA was in a pitched battle to stop the
Dominoe Theory from becoming a reality.

The problem .... it was just a "theory" ... it wasn't really real. How can
one win a war against some entity or word or theory that isn't even real?


It was pretty real to the South Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians.

On Apr 29, 11:58 am, "Sean" <waz...@bro.org> wrote:

Michae...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:0ff908be-5aba-406b-83c0-b3db8045fb3a@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...




Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.

LOL What's more scary than any potential terrorism, is that you and so many
others really believe what you just wrote.


Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.

If you really cared about your nation and it's people, you wouldn't be so
damn gullible and ill-informed, and you sure wouldn't be spreading this
mindless propaganda based on illusions and spin, imho.

But that's life on planet earth isn;t it? :-)

Here's another "trick" question.

Can you describe the Worldwide Organisational Structure of the Al Queda
Terrorist Organisation and how it operates - and point to clear evidence to
back up any claims as to it's existence and personell, and connections?

Furthermore .. how does one go to War against something that isn't really
there?

Here's a clue ... In Vietnam the USA was in a pitched battle to stop the
Dominoe Theory from becoming a reality.

The problem .... it was just a "theory" ... it wasn't really real. How can
one win a war against some entity or word or theory that isn't even real?


It is not necessary that I make you stop hating me (hypothetically
speaking) it is only important that you fear me. The war on
terrorism will be won when the despots of the world fear the US more
then they hate us or more then the fear the terrorist active inside of
their borders. Terrorist organizations can be neutralized (although
not eliminated) by eliminating those that would fund them and those
that would allow them to operate without deterrent.

If we get into a mode were we only attempt to attack terrorist who are
in the act of attacking us we have already lost.

That is unless you have some better method?

On Apr 29, 11:24 am, "Dr. James West, Ph.D." <n...@nobull.com> wrote:

Michae...@gmail.com wrote:

Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.

Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.

Stalinist liberals? Ha Ha Ha!!!

fail? what about the easy victory and "mission accomplished"

oh...you warmongering assholes "mis-calculated"...now blame "stalinists"...ha ha ha

whatafuckinmoron
;-)



We have not failed and I'm fairly confident that we will succeed -
despite your best efforts.

Which side were you on again?

Shrikebackwrote:
"Dr. James West, Ph.D." <n...@nobull.com> wrote in message
news:m66dnfHd8aHUn47VnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@toastnet...

Professor Irwin Corey wrote:

In <w4-dnXVJLLQPq4zVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@toastnet>, "Dr. James West, Ph.D."
n...@nobull.com> wrote:

Michae...@gmail.com wrote:

What you have listed below is a prescription to lose every military
engagement ever fought and you have missed some of the biggest factors
for our failure in Vietnam.

1.)  We failed to engage or consider engaging the real enemy.
     North Vietnam was both the surrogates for both USSR and China.

Son, that was considered...very seriously and often.

It was decided to avoid the likely nuclear war.

...the fate of a losing side...explainin...endless explainin...who to
blame...
...how they were cheated (yes CHEATED!!) out of victory...if they could
only have one more chance...

;-)

(btw, the DRV, "North" Vietnam, was not a surrogate.)

Riiiiight. The Soviet and Chinese advisors, money and weaponry were all
mirages.

Son, obtaining support did not make the DRV a surrogate.

No, what made it obvious they were a surrogate was the
establishment of a carbon copy totalitarian state.

No son.
For your education, son, a surrogate is one who acts on another's behalf.
The DRV was acting on their own behalf, for their own national independence.

Second, the DRV was not a "carbon copy", but it was at non-stop war from 1945 to 1989,
with all that that implies (defeating 3 major military powers France,U.S.,China).

(OTOH, "South" Vietnam definitely was a puppet and surrogate for the U.S..,
and would *never* have existed at all without the U.S. propping it up)

Well, we could compare the afterlife of North Korea to the
afterlife of South Korea to see what a difference it would
have made.  But one should never overcommit, which is the
real lesson of Vietnam.

Well, shithead, how about you look at Communist Vietnam today.  Our friend.

It must really piss off you rabid anti-communists that Communist Vietnam is our friend.

"Billzz" <billzzstr...@starband.net> wrote in message

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"Sean" <waz...@bro.org> wrote in message
news:481753b7$0$13945$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Michae...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again.  We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.

LOL What's more scary than any potential terrorism, is that you and so
many others really believe what you just wrote.

Will we be successfully?  I hope so.  Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail.  Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.

If you really cared about your nation and it's people, you wouldn't be so
damn gullible and ill-informed, and you sure wouldn't be spreading this
mindless propaganda based on illusions and spin, imho.

But that's life on planet earth isn;t it? :-)

Here's another "trick" question.

Can you describe the Worldwide Organisational Structure of the Al Queda
Terrorist Organisation and how it operates - and point to clear evidence
to back up any claims as to it's existence and personell, and
connections?

Furthermore .. how does one go to War against something that isn't really
there?

Here's a clue ... In Vietnam the USA was in a pitched battle to stop the
Dominoe Theory from becoming a reality.

The problem .... it was just a "theory" ... it wasn't really real. How
can one win a war against some entity or word or theory that isn't even
real?

It was pretty real to the South Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory

If it wasn't just a theory, then Vietnam would have invaded and brought
communism to laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, and elsewhere immediately
after winning the war against America and the South.

What makes you think Bush and others are telling the truth about the
invasion of Iraq, and the subsequent debacle there?

What issues of truth are in doubt in your mind? Do you question who
was behind 9/11? Do you question whether there are still groups out
there like those that caused 9/11 that are seeking to do "us" harm?
Do you questions whether the areas being targeted by the US military
harbor such groups? Or do you question whether we are fighting them
(or if it is all a grand illusion)? The only debacle is the liberal
response to our efforts to preserve our way of life.

What makes you think Bush and co are telling the whole truth about al
queda,
and "terrorism" in general?

please see above

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe matters such as 9/11, Vietnam, and
Iraq are more the result of blatant USA incompetence than anything else?

So if a mugger breaks into your house and kills your children and
steals your stuff, is it your fault that you did not have a good
enough "deterrent". <maybe

Do you consider this as a viable excuse
for the muggers actions? <I would think not

And ... what is most
important ... does the fact that your deterrent was not sufficient in
the past dictate that you not defend your home from here on out?

Certainly their have been issues with US foreign policy that have
fostered some of the conditions that we see today (the entire Jimmy
Carter fiasco in handling Iran comes to mind),

but unless you belong
to the lunatic fringe that thinks the Jews/US were behind 9/11 that
does not mean we should role over and just give in to those who would
use terror against us.

Primarily for two reasons: 1) they wont stop
just because we tell them we agree with them and 2) whether right or
wrong our political leaders need to protect American interests today
irregardless of the past.

I mean, even as a minute possibility, that you and many others might be
actually totally wrong about what you believe because of what you've been
told [sold]?

It appears that your argument is that your distrust of the current
political environment is greater then your fear of the what the
terrorist would do to the US. The view point assumes that our current
political leaders hate us and wish us harm (what other motives would
they have). You may believe that but I do not. It does not match
their previous actions.

Think about it. Maybe even dig a little deeper and challenge yourself to
question "on what basis of fact/knowledge are you basing your beliefs
upon"?

Do you even see the world events that are happening. Do you see what
is happening in Europe, Asia, the Middle East. Their are forces at
work which hate western culture and that seek power. They are more
then willing to kill anyone that stands in their way and use the
religion of Islam to accomplish their goals. Do you somehow not see
this? Do you think the 9/11 bogeyman does not exist? If you do see
this, what is your plan to combat this evil?

On Apr 29, 2:00 pm, fnijnd...@nospam.net wrote:
In <0e66e10e-02ad-4525-ac44-e812c4d6f...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
on
04/29/2008
at 10:41 AM, Michae...@gmail.com said:



What makes you think Bush and others are telling the truth about the
invasion of Iraq, and the subsequent debacle there?
What issues of truth are in doubt in your mind? Do you question who was
behind 9/11?

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD THAT THERE WAS NO
CONNECTION BETWEEN IRAQ AND 9-11? --Or are you plina stupid?

On not sure how to respond? Are you reading off of a script? Does
your keyboard only type certain things. The military is in the
middle east and Asia to prevent the NEXT 9/11.

can do to stop the last one (unless you happen to have a time
machine). The goal of the military is to destroy groups that WOULD
LIKE to conduct another 9/11. The military is where the enemy is.
Which judging from your statements , maybe should include whatever
cave you are huddling in.

On Apr 29, 11:58 am, "Sean" <waz...@bro.org> wrote:
Michae...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:0ff908be-5aba-406b-83c0-b3db8045fb3a@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...



Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.

LOL What's more scary than any potential terrorism, is that you and so
many
others really believe what you just wrote.

Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.

If you really cared about your nation and it's people, you wouldn't be so
damn gullible and ill-informed, and you sure wouldn't be spreading this
mindless propaganda based on illusions and spin, imho.

But that's life on planet earth isn;t it? :-)

Here's another "trick" question.

Can you describe the Worldwide Organisational Structure of the Al Queda
Terrorist Organisation and how it operates - and point to clear evidence
to
back up any claims as to it's existence and personell, and connections?

Furthermore .. how does one go to War against something that isn't really
there?

Here's a clue ... In Vietnam the USA was in a pitched battle to stop the
Dominoe Theory from becoming a reality.

The problem .... it was just a "theory" ... it wasn't really real. How
can
one win a war against some entity or word or theory that isn't even real?

It is not necessary that I make you stop hating me (hypothetically
speaking) it is only important that you fear me. The war on
terrorism will be won when the despots of the world fear the US more
then they hate us or more then the fear the terrorist active inside of
their borders.

not eliminated) by eliminating those that would fund them and those
that would allow them to operate without deterrent.

If we get into a mode were we only attempt to attack terrorist who are
in the act of attacking us we have already lost.

That is unless you have some better method?

On Apr 29, 2:26 pm, "Dr. James West, Ph.D." <n...@nobull.com> wrote:
Michae...@gmail.com wrote:
On Apr 29, 11:58 am, "Sean" <waz...@bro.org> wrote:

Michae...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:0ff908be-5aba-406b-83c0-b3db8045fb3a@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...

Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.

LOL What's more scary than any potential terrorism, is that you and so
many
others really believe what you just wrote.

Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.

If you really cared about your nation and it's people, you wouldn't be
so
damn gullible and ill-informed, and you sure wouldn't be spreading this
mindless propaganda based on illusions and spin, imho.

But that's life on planet earth isn;t it? :-)

Here's another "trick" question.

Can you describe the Worldwide Organisational Structure of the Al Queda
Terrorist Organisation and how it operates - and point to clear
evidence to
back up any claims as to it's existence and personell, and connections?

Furthermore .. how does one go to War against something that isn't
really
there?

Here's a clue ... In Vietnam the USA was in a pitched battle to stop
the
Dominoe Theory from becoming a reality.

The problem .... it was just a "theory" ... it wasn't really real. How
can
one win a war against some entity or word or theory that isn't even
real?

It is not necessary that I make you stop hating me (hypothetically
speaking) it is only important that you fear me. The war on
terrorism will be won when the despots of the world fear the US more
then they hate us or more then the fear the terrorist active inside of
their borders. Terrorist organizations can be neutralized (although
not eliminated) by eliminating those that would fund them and those
that would allow them to operate without deterrent.

If we get into a mode were we only attempt to attack terrorist who are
in the act of attacking us we have already lost.

That is unless you have some better method?

Yes, son. Eliminate the reasons they want to attack us: our decades-long
attacks on them.

Oh so it is that simple is it?

How exactly would you do that? Should
a simple press conference do the trick or did you have something else
in mind?

"Sean" <wazzup@bro.org> wrote in message
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MichaelNJ@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.

We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.


LOL What's more scary than any potential terrorism, is that you and so
many others really believe what you just wrote.


Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
wonder what side you are on.


If you really cared about your nation and it's people, you wouldn't be so
damn gullible and ill-informed, and you sure wouldn't be spreading this
mindless propaganda based on illusions and spin, imho.

But that's life on planet earth isn;t it? :-)

Here's another "trick" question.

Can you describe the Worldwide Organisational Structure of the Al Queda
Terrorist Organisation and how it operates - and point to clear evidence
to back up any claims as to it's existence and personell, and
connections?

Furthermore .. how does one go to War against something that isn't really
there?

Here's a clue ... In Vietnam the USA was in a pitched battle to stop the
Dominoe Theory from becoming a reality.

The problem .... it was just a "theory" ... it wasn't really real. How
can one win a war against some entity or word or theory that isn't even
real?

It was pretty real to the South Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory