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MooseFET
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:19 pm
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On May 1, 6:47 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

Who decides who the NON-citizens are ?

In 1930s Germany a certain political party decided the Jews were NON-citizens.

I see that Thompson is basically a Nazi at heart.

No, I think he considers the Nazis weenies.... :)



Not too surprised I have to
Quote:
say.

Graham
Jim Thompson
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:43 pm
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On Thu, 1 May 2008 15:29:15 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jeffm_@email.com>
wrote:

Quote:
MooseFET <kensmith@ rahul.net> wrote:
[...]Now that habeas is gone without a wimper,
I can't imagine what will cause the uprising.

Jim Thompson wrote:
You _are_ hallucinating. Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is
diminished or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.

Ah. Your end of the boat doesn't have the hole in it.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:IukIc89-ulUJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...+First-*-*-*-the-Communists+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-no-one-left-*-*-*-*-*#Variations

Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

Right. Let's create an underclass of exploited green card holders

You leftist weenies are never bothered by facts... most of these
"immigrants" have NO green card... they're illegals.

[snip]
Quote:

Who is it that polishs that ivory tower of yours?

A Hispanic housekeeper who IS A CITIZEN.

You're the kind of non-thinker that gives engineering a bad name :-(

...Jim Thompson
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America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave
Jim Thompson
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:54 pm
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On Thu, 1 May 2008 16:20:00 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jeffm_@email.com>
wrote:

Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is diminished
or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

JeffM wrote:
Right. Let's create an underclass of exploited green card holders

Green Card holders are LEGAL aliens.

Quote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
You leftist weenies are never bothered by facts...

I responded directly to what YOU said.
If you MEANT something different,
you should have SAID something different.

most of these "immigrants" have NO green card... they're illegals.

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out.

Good idea Wink Actually I'm quite a bit more tolerant. First time we
catch you here illegally we finger-print and mug shot, then send you
back on a bus. Second time you get one year on the rock-pile.

Quote:

[snip]
Who is it that polishs that ivory tower of yours?

A Hispanic housekeeper who IS A CITIZEN.
You're the kind of non-thinker that gives engineering a bad name :-(

I note that you convieniently snipped out
the *arithmetic* part of my post.
To summarize that:
If all that was available to the pool was *legal* labor,
the US economy would take a serious hit.
The (Republican?) agricultural barons would see it first,
as they are addicted to that cheap, exploitable labor force.

Which is nonsense. Agriculture is primarily 100% Green Card...
because, if they weren't, they'd be so easy to round up.

You're in San Diego County, right? The predominant undocumented's are
working fast food, restaurants and hotels. Same here in Arizona. Plus
we're a staging area for points east and north... like New York, New
Jersey, Massachusetts, Illinois and Michigan.

...Jim Thompson
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America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave
Rich Webb
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:33 pm
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On Thu, 01 May 2008 07:37:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:52:20 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensmith@rahul.net
wrote:

On May 1, 5:58 am, JosephKK <quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:43:40 -0400, T <nospam.k...@cox.nospam.net
wrote:
[snip]


I don't fear the government here in the U.S. I know that when push comes
to shove we'll only take so much before armed rebellion happens.

You are hallucinating again. We the people have shitted away most of
what the Constitution had granted.


A few generations from "Give me liberty or give me death" to "Here are
my rights. Please take them but just protect me from that scarry man"
is disapointing. Now that habeas is gone without a wimper, I can't
imagine what will cause the uprising.

You _are_ hallucinating. Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is
diminished or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

The New York Times, January 24, 2007: One of the Bush administration's
most far-reaching assertions of government power was revealed quietly
last week when Attorney General Alberto Gonzales testified that habeas
corpus -- the right to go to federal court and challenge one's
imprisonment -- is not protected by the Constitution.

"The Constitution doesn't say every individual in the United States or
every citizen is hereby granted or assured the right of habeas,"
Gonzales told Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., during a Senate Judiciary
Committee hearing Jan. 17.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
Jim Thompson
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:34 pm
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On Thu, 1 May 2008 18:12:31 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensmith@rahul.net>
wrote:

[snip]
Quote:

A fair bit back a few people got together and made this claim:
*** begin quote ***
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed,
*** end ***

I wonder what happened to them? Did they go on to found a government
or anything like that? :

[snip]


So those that break our laws should just be handed a pass?

...Jim Thompson
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America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave
Eeyore
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:47 pm
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Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

Who decides who the NON-citizens are ?

In 1930s Germany a certain political party decided the Jews were NON-citizens.

I see that Thompson is basically a Nazi at heart. Not too surprised I have to
say.


Graham
Tim Williams
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:41 pm
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"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote in message
news:31737890-216b-4d71-a789-9fea91d9eb6e@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
A fair bit back a few people got together and made this claim:
*** begin quote ***
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal ...

I wonder what happened to them?

I think Madison would note that, you're not quoting the *Constitution*.
;-)

Tim

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Terry Given
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:01 am
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MooseFET wrote:
Quote:
On May 1, 6:47 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

Who decides who the NON-citizens are ?

In 1930s Germany a certain political party decided the Jews were NON-citizens.

I see that Thompson is basically a Nazi at heart.


No, I think he considers the Nazis weenies.... :)



Not too surprised I have to

say.

Graham



in many respects they were amateurs. I just read "Koba the Dread" by
Martin Amis. Holy crap Stalin was a bad bastard. those pricks made it a
capital crime to say you were hungry, when they were starving tens of
millions of peasants to death by the simple expedient of taking all
their food.

Of course Mao ZeDong had to go one better.....

Cheers
Terry
 
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