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T
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:43 pm
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In article <481212B5.6090004@nospam.com>, nospam@nospam.com says...
Quote:


Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:4D3Pj.5037$iK6.1974@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...

Fix the USD first (Or rather: Please don't - it's kindof funny to
watch the wests leading nation both blow itself clean out of the
water and starve a couple of middle eastern countries stupid enough
to still peg their currency to the USD).

Sort of like watching Jackass: "Ouch, THAT hurt, Bwahahahahaah".

That have a bunch of stuff coming at their sorry-asses here in the US
with a 30% increase in food prices in as many days and unsustainably
high fuel costs spiraling the whole mess out of control. This is what
you get with a general population at moron level of intellectual
capacity and real bad, crooked, scum at the helm. The US is about to get
hit hard as hell and they brought it on themselves...

Some of us in the U.S. see what is happening and try to push our friends
and family along in opposing the status quo.

When corporations own politicians you know sure as hell that things are
going down the shitter.

One interesting quote I saw one time is that in Germany and France the
government is afraid of the people. In the U.S. it's the other way
around.

I don't fear the government here in the U.S. I know that when push comes
to shove we'll only take so much before armed rebellion happens.
T
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:44 pm
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In article <o354141scpdbjchrhgcr1kpr21vlo8hsvq@4ax.com>, To-Email-Use-
The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com says...
Quote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:19:49 -0400, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:



Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:4D3Pj.5037$iK6.1974@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...

Fix the USD first (Or rather: Please don't - it's kindof funny to
watch the wests leading nation both blow itself clean out of the
water and starve a couple of middle eastern countries stupid enough
to still peg their currency to the USD).

Sort of like watching Jackass: "Ouch, THAT hurt, Bwahahahahaah".

That have a bunch of stuff coming at their sorry-asses here in the US
with a 30% increase in food prices in as many days and unsustainably
high fuel costs spiraling the whole mess out of control. This is what
you get with a general population at moron level of intellectual
capacity and real bad, crooked, scum at the helm. The US is about to get
hit hard as hell and they brought it on themselves...

Naaah! It'll help bring down the leftist weenies for preventing
drilling our own oil, supporting that crock-o-shit called ethanol,
etc.

...Jim Thompson


I have no problem drilling for oil. I also think we should halve the
military budget and take the other half and use it for R&D to acheive
energy independence once and for all.

But you're right on about ethanol. It's only accomplished rising food
prices.
Jim Thompson
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:53 pm
Guest
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:44:40 -0400, T <nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net>
wrote:

Quote:
In article <o354141scpdbjchrhgcr1kpr21vlo8hsvq@4ax.com>, To-Email-Use-
The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com says...
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:19:49 -0400, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:
[snip]
The US is about to get
hit hard as hell and they brought it on themselves...

Naaah! It'll help bring down the leftist weenies for preventing
drilling our own oil, supporting that crock-o-shit called ethanol,
etc.

...Jim Thompson


I have no problem drilling for oil. I also think we should halve the
military budget and take the other half and use it for R&D to acheive
energy independence once and for all.

The military budget percentage isn't that high... gimme programs are.

I say raise the military budget and obliterate (Shrillary's word Smile
anyone who worships Islam with terror.

Quote:

But you're right on about ethanol. It's only accomplished rising food
prices.

Ethanol is such a farce I'd swear that Al Gore invented it ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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MooseFET
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:52 am
Guest
On May 1, 5:58 am, JosephKK <quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:43:40 -0400, T <nospam.k...@cox.nospam.net
wrote:



In article <481212B5.6090...@nospam.com>, nos...@nospam.com says...

Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@Hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:4D3Pj.5037$iK6.1974@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...

Fix the USD first (Or rather: Please don't - it's kindof funny to
watch the wests leading nation both blow itself clean out of the
water and starve a couple of middle eastern countries stupid enough
to still peg their currency to the USD).

Sort of like watching Jackass: "Ouch, THAT hurt, Bwahahahahaah".

That have a bunch of stuff coming at their sorry-asses here in the US
with a 30% increase in food prices in as many days and unsustainably
high fuel costs spiraling the whole mess out of control. This is what
you get with a general population at moron level of intellectual
capacity and real bad, crooked, scum at the helm. The US is about to get
hit hard as hell and they brought it on themselves...

Some of us in the U.S. see what is happening and try to push our friends
and family along in opposing the status quo.

When corporations own politicians you know sure as hell that things are
going down the shitter.

One interesting quote I saw one time is that in Germany and France the
government is afraid of the people. In the U.S. it's the other way
around.

I don't fear the government here in the U.S. I know that when push comes
to shove we'll only take so much before armed rebellion happens.

You are hallucinating again. We the people have shitted away most of
what the Constitution had granted.


A few generations from "Give me liberty or give me death" to "Here are
my rights. Please take them but just protect me from that scarry man"
is disapointing. Now that habeas is gone without a wimper, I can't
imagine what will cause the uprising.
JosephKK
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:46 am
Guest
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:02:59 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Naaah! It'll help bring down the leftist weenies for preventing
drilling our own oil, supporting that crock-o-shit called ethanol,
etc.


Don't forget lead free solder. Sad

Not to mention the crazy beefing about the lead in the glass of CRTs.
Leaded glass and crystal has been a well defended luxury item for
centuries.
JosephKK
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:58 am
Guest
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:43:40 -0400, T <nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net>
wrote:

Quote:
In article <481212B5.6090004@nospam.com>, nospam@nospam.com says...


Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:4D3Pj.5037$iK6.1974@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...

Fix the USD first (Or rather: Please don't - it's kindof funny to
watch the wests leading nation both blow itself clean out of the
water and starve a couple of middle eastern countries stupid enough
to still peg their currency to the USD).

Sort of like watching Jackass: "Ouch, THAT hurt, Bwahahahahaah".

That have a bunch of stuff coming at their sorry-asses here in the US
with a 30% increase in food prices in as many days and unsustainably
high fuel costs spiraling the whole mess out of control. This is what
you get with a general population at moron level of intellectual
capacity and real bad, crooked, scum at the helm. The US is about to get
hit hard as hell and they brought it on themselves...

Some of us in the U.S. see what is happening and try to push our friends
and family along in opposing the status quo.

When corporations own politicians you know sure as hell that things are
going down the shitter.

One interesting quote I saw one time is that in Germany and France the
government is afraid of the people. In the U.S. it's the other way
around.

I don't fear the government here in the U.S. I know that when push comes
to shove we'll only take so much before armed rebellion happens.

You are hallucinating again. We the people have shitted away most of
what the Constitution had granted.
Jim Thompson
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:37 am
Guest
On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:52:20 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensmith@rahul.net>
wrote:

Quote:
On May 1, 5:58 am, JosephKK <quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:43:40 -0400, T <nospam.k...@cox.nospam.net
wrote:
[snip]


I don't fear the government here in the U.S. I know that when push comes
to shove we'll only take so much before armed rebellion happens.

You are hallucinating again. We the people have shitted away most of
what the Constitution had granted.


A few generations from "Give me liberty or give me death" to "Here are
my rights. Please take them but just protect me from that scarry man"
is disapointing. Now that habeas is gone without a wimper, I can't
imagine what will cause the uprising.

You _are_ hallucinating. Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is
diminished or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: "skypeanalog" | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave
Michael A. Terrell
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:53 am
Guest
Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:

You _are_ hallucinating. Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is
diminished or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?


The only 'right' they have is to leave this country willingly.


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Spehro Pefhany
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:13 pm
Guest
On Thu, 01 May 2008 07:37:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:52:20 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensmith@rahul.net
wrote:

On May 1, 5:58 am, JosephKK <quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:43:40 -0400, T <nospam.k...@cox.nospam.net
wrote:
[snip]


I don't fear the government here in the U.S. I know that when push comes
to shove we'll only take so much before armed rebellion happens.

You are hallucinating again. We the people have shitted away most of
what the Constitution had granted.


A few generations from "Give me liberty or give me death" to "Here are
my rights. Please take them but just protect me from that scarry man"
is disapointing. Now that habeas is gone without a wimper, I can't
imagine what will cause the uprising.

You _are_ hallucinating. Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is
diminished or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

...Jim Thompson

Because respecting *human* rights is something that civilized
countries do. But not all countries do so. Nazi Germany was able to
legally mistreat Jews by deeming them non-citizens.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
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JeffM
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:29 pm
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MooseFET <kensmith@ rahul.net> wrote:
Quote:
[...]Now that habeas is gone without a wimper,
I can't imagine what will cause the uprising.

Jim Thompson wrote:
You _are_ hallucinating. Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is
diminished or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.

Ah. Your end of the boat doesn't have the hole in it.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:IukIc89-ulUJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...+First-*-*-*-the-Communists+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-no-one-left-*-*-*-*-*#Variations

Quote:
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

Right. Let's create an underclass of exploited green card holders

who are scared of their own shadows and are easily manipulated.
THAT makes for a stable society.
We could call ourselves "The Beacon of Freedom".
(WTF, the Bushites have already got us well into 1984 mode
and have the DoubleSpeak thing chugging ahead.)

....and and let's make it especially difficult on the folks
who maintain our lawns and gardens and who care for our children.

Wanna see food prices REALLY skyrocket?
Get rid of the folks who actually harvest it.

Wanna see the US economy collapse REALLY fast?
Get rid of grunt labor pool who WILL do the dirty work.

Who is it that polishs that ivory tower of yours?
Jim Thompson
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:32 pm
Guest
On Thu, 01 May 2008 13:13:59 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 01 May 2008 07:37:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[snip]
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

...Jim Thompson

Because respecting *human* rights is something that civilized
countries do. But not all countries do so. Nazi Germany was able to
legally mistreat Jews by deeming them non-citizens.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Not quite the same situation. We are being flooded by _illegal_
immigration. Our border hospitals are overloaded by these
freeloaders.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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JeffM
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:20 pm
Guest
Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is diminished
or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

JeffM wrote:
Right. Let's create an underclass of exploited green card holders

Jim Thompson wrote:
You leftist weenies are never bothered by facts...

I responded directly to what YOU said.

If you MEANT something different,
you should have SAID something different.

Quote:
most of these "immigrants" have NO green card... they're illegals.

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out.


Quote:
[snip]
Who is it that polishs that ivory tower of yours?

A Hispanic housekeeper who IS A CITIZEN.
You're the kind of non-thinker that gives engineering a bad name :-(

I note that you convieniently snipped out

the *arithmetic* part of my post.
To summarize that:
If all that was available to the pool was *legal* labor,
the US economy would take a serious hit.
The (Republican?) agricultural barons would see it first,
as they are addicted to that cheap, exploitable labor force.
MooseFET
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:08 pm
Guest
On May 1, 7:37 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:52:20 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net
wrote:





On May 1, 5:58 am, JosephKK <quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:43:40 -0400, T <nospam.k...@cox.nospam.net
wrote:
[snip]

I don't fear the government here in the U.S. I know that when push comes
to shove we'll only take so much before armed rebellion happens.

You are hallucinating again. We the people have shitted away most of
what the Constitution had granted.

A few generations from "Give me liberty or give me death" to "Here are
my rights. Please take them but just protect me from that scarry man"
is disapointing. Now that habeas is gone without a wimper, I can't
imagine what will cause the uprising.

You _are_ hallucinating. Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is
diminished or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

Humans have rights. Governments recognize or fail to recognize those
rights.
If you are a citizen and are held outside the US, by the US, habeas is
gone for you. This can even apply to those who are taken into custody
on US soil but are then taken out side the US. Thus there is a method
by which the government can now get around habeas so it is gone in the
cases where it matters the most.

Quote:

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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MooseFET
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:12 pm
Guest
On May 1, 10:13 am, Spehro Pefhany <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 01 May 2008 07:37:32 -0700, Jim Thompson



To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:52:20 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net
wrote:

On May 1, 5:58 am, JosephKK <quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:43:40 -0400, T <nospam.k...@cox.nospam.net
wrote:
[snip]

I don't fear the government here in the U.S. I know that when push comes
to shove we'll only take so much before armed rebellion happens.

You are hallucinating again. We the people have shitted away most of
what the Constitution had granted.

A few generations from "Give me liberty or give me death" to "Here are
my rights. Please take them but just protect me from that scarry man"
is disapointing. Now that habeas is gone without a wimper, I can't
imagine what will cause the uprising.

You _are_ hallucinating. Perhaps the right of habeas corpus is
diminished or gone for NON-citizens, but I think that is a good thing.
Why should NON-citizens have _any_ rights?

...Jim Thompson

Because respecting *human* rights is something that civilized
countries do. But not all countries do so. Nazi Germany was able to
legally mistreat Jews by deeming them non-citizens.

Even at that the Nazis needed to go the further step of claiming that
rights are something your government gives you.


A fair bit back a few people got together and made this claim:
*** begin quote ***
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed,
*** end ***

I wonder what happened to them? Did they go on to found a goveernment
or anything like that? :>



Quote:
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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MooseFET
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:16 pm
Guest
On May 1, 6:34 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 1 May 2008 18:12:31 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net
wrote:

[snip]

A fair bit back a few people got together and made this claim:
*** begin quote ***
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed,
*** end ***

I wonder what happened to them? Did they go on to found a government
or anything like that? :

[snip]

So those that break our laws should just be handed a pass?

No but if it is claimed that someone has broken a law, they still have
rights.

Quote:

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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