I think there will be no trouble staying sane on a real mission to
Mars. After all the preperation and training that has taken place the
astronauts will be pleased to have a relativly relaxing time. People
are prepared to suffer great discomfort if the planned end result
justifies this.

The people I worry about are those who enter the simulated mission
that the Russians are organising. Why would anyone want to suffer all
the discomfort/ boredom associated with a year long space trip and not
actually achieve anything.

It is like being stuck in an airport terminal for many hours knowing
that you are not planning on going anywhere. They would have to be mad
in my opinion.
The only thing that would justify this , is if they were guaranteed
the offer of a mission to Mars if they complete the simulation.

"zentara" <zent...@highstream.net> wrote in message

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No one has said it yet, but I think you would already be insane if
you volunteered for a trip to Mars at the current state of technology.

Why do you believe this?

Of course, many great people are insane, you become great if you succeed
at your insane vision-quest..... if you fail....well you become an hero,
a footnote in the history books, and plenty of blame will be spread
around.

zentara

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I think there will be no trouble staying sane on a real mission to
Mars. After all the preperation and training that has taken place the
astronauts will be pleased to have a relativly relaxing time. People
are prepared to suffer great discomfort if the planned end result
justifies this.

The people I worry about are those who enter the simulated mission
that the Russians are organising. Why would anyone want to suffer all
the discomfort/ boredom associated with a year long space trip and not
actually achieve anything.

It is like being stuck in an airport terminal for many hours knowing
that you are not planning on going anywhere. They would have to be mad
in my opinion.

The  only thing that would justify this , is if they were guaranteed
the offer of a mission to Mars if they complete the simulation.

I think there will be no trouble staying sane on a real mission to
Mars. After all the preperation and training that has taken place the
astronauts will be pleased to have a relativly relaxing time. People
are prepared to suffer great discomfort if the planned end result
justifies this.

The people I worry about are those who enter the simulated mission
that the Russians are organising. Why would anyone want to suffer all
the discomfort/ boredom associated with a year long space trip and not
actually achieve anything.

It is like being stuck in an airport terminal for many hours knowing
that you are not planning on going anywhere. They would have to be mad
in my opinion.
The only thing that would justify this , is if they were guaranteed
the offer of a mission to Mars if they complete the simulation.

No one has said it yet, but I think you would already be insane if
you volunteered for a trip to Mars at the current state of technology.

Of course, many great people are insane, you become great if you succeed
at your insane vision-quest..... if you fail....well you become an hero,
a footnote in the history books, and plenty of blame will be spread
around.

zentara


--
I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth.
http://zentara.net/japh.html

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:47:40 -0700 (PDT), steve



stephen.colbou...@comsuper.gov.au> wrote:

I think there will be no trouble staying sane on a real mission to
Mars. After all the preperation and training that has taken place the
astronauts will be pleased to have a relativly relaxing time. People
are prepared to suffer great discomfort if the planned end result
justifies this.

The people I worry about are those who enter the simulated mission
that the Russians are organising. Why would anyone want to suffer all
the discomfort/ boredom associated with a year long space trip and not
actually achieve anything.

It is like being stuck in an airport terminal for many hours knowing
that you are not planning on going anywhere. They would have to be mad
in my opinion.
The only thing that would justify this , is if they were guaranteed
the offer of a mission to Mars if they complete the simulation.

No one has said it yet, but I think you would already be insane if
you volunteered for a trip to Mars at the current state of technology.

Of course, many great people are insane, you become great if you succeed
at your insane vision-quest..... if you fail....well you become an hero,
a footnote in the history books, and plenty of blame will be spread
around.

zentara

--
I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth.http://zentara.net/japh.html

"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Technology isn't the problem. You just make a big airtight
cannister and load it with people. We've been doing that
with subs since Admiral Rickover.

Providing entertainment to distract you from the fact
that you're sealed inside a sardine can is the whole
of the problem.

Yeah if only we had some technology to provide entertainment. I mean that's
a tough one. Too bad they can't watch movies, read books, exchange messages
with family members, etc.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:25:49 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell



fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 9:19 am, zentara <zent...@highstream.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:47:40 -0700 (PDT), steve

stephen.colbou...@comsuper.gov.au> wrote:

I think there will be no trouble staying sane on a real mission to
Mars. After all the preperation and training that has taken place the
astronauts will be pleased to have a relativly relaxing time. People
are prepared to suffer great discomfort if the planned end result
justifies this.

The people I worry about are those who enter the simulated mission
that the Russians are organising. Why would anyone want to suffer all
the discomfort/ boredom associated with a year long space trip and not
actually achieve anything.

It is like being stuck in an airport terminal for many hours knowing
that you are not planning on going anywhere. They would have to be mad
in my opinion.
The only thing that would justify this , is if they were guaranteed
the offer of a mission to Mars if they complete the simulation.

No one has said it yet, but I think you would already be insane if
you volunteered for a trip to Mars at the current state of technology.

Technology isn't the problem. You just make a big airtight
cannister and load it with people. We've been doing that
with subs since Admiral Rickover.

Providing entertainment to distract you from the fact
that you're sealed inside a sardine can is the whole
of the problem.

Would a plenitude of necessary repairs to prevent the hull from breaching
constitute entertainment?

On Apr 28, 9:19 am, zentara <zent...@highstream.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:47:40 -0700 (PDT), steve



stephen.colbou...@comsuper.gov.au> wrote:

I think there will be no trouble staying sane on a real mission to
Mars. After all the preperation and training that has taken place the
astronauts will be pleased to have a relativly relaxing time. People
are prepared to suffer great discomfort if the planned end result
justifies this.

The people I worry about are those who enter the simulated mission
that the Russians are organising. Why would anyone want to suffer all
the discomfort/ boredom associated with a year long space trip and not
actually achieve anything.

It is like being stuck in an airport terminal for many hours knowing
that you are not planning on going anywhere. They would have to be mad
in my opinion.
The only thing that would justify this , is if they were guaranteed
the offer of a mission to Mars if they complete the simulation.

No one has said it yet, but I think you would already be insane if
you volunteered for a trip to Mars at the current state of technology.

Technology isn't the problem. You just make a big airtight
cannister and load it with people. We've been doing that
with subs since Admiral Rickover.

Providing entertainment to distract you from the fact
that you're sealed inside a sardine can is the whole
of the problem.

Technology isn't the problem. You just make a big airtight
cannister and load it with people. We've been doing that
with subs since Admiral Rickover.

Providing entertainment to distract you from the fact
that you're sealed inside a sardine can is the whole
of the problem.

Yeah if only we had some technology to provide entertainment. I mean that's

"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 28, 9:18 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:
Yeah if only we had some technology to provide entertainment. I mean
that's
a tough one. Too bad they can't watch movies, read books, exchange
messages
with family members, etc.

Payload is hellaciously expensive to launch. Pills, hash,
and tiny little sheets of paper are cheaper to send to Mars
than 6 month supplies of books and board games.

Given the mass required for life support, the mass required for
entertainment is trivial.

I suppose you *could* saturate a deck of playing cards
with liquid LSD, though.

I suppose you could, but that sure as hell won't happen. You seem to have a
definite interest in drugs in space.

On Apr 28, 9:18 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:
Yeah if only we had some technology to provide entertainment. I mean
that's
a tough one. Too bad they can't watch movies, read books, exchange
messages
with family members, etc.

Payload is hellaciously expensive to launch. Pills, hash,
and tiny little sheets of paper are cheaper to send to Mars
than 6 month supplies of books and board games.

I suppose you *could* saturate a deck of playing cards
with liquid LSD, though.

If the hull breaches, you're fucked no matter what you
do.

"zentara" <zentara@highstream.net> wrote in message
news:kljb14hgm1m06ddqgk0cm9kghhf9agrtmv@4ax.com...
No one has said it yet, but I think you would already be insane if
you volunteered for a trip to Mars at the current state of technology.


Why do you believe this?

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:22:02 -0400, zentara <zent...@highstream.net
wrote:



On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:42:53 -0400, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:

"zentara" <zent...@highstream.net> wrote in message
news:kljb14hgm1m06ddqgk0cm9kghhf9agrtmv@4ax.com...
No one has said it yet, but I think you would already be insane if
you volunteered for a trip to Mars at the current state of technology.

Why do you believe this?

....at the current state of technology........

Lets see.... I will put you in an oversized aluminum pop can, give
you a limited supply of water, air, food, and energy, and shoot
you off into space with no chance of help if things go wrong.
(Well maybe we give you a nuclear reactor to tow behind you,
but you may have to crawl inside it and fix it if there are problems).

If that were the general human attitude to exploration, one could be
forgiven for wondering how our forebears ever plucked up the courage
to climb out of the Olduvai Gorge.