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| Father Haskell |
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| Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones? |
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| Father Haskell |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:12 pm |
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On Apr 21, 1:08 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Father Haskell wrote:
Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
Whatever Fred Randall was on.
"It's me, Fred. They've taken over the ship! 50, 60 of them! I've had
to hide in the jungle. Take this down: I need four barrels of
gunpowder, a machete, a goat skin, a guide that speaks Hutu."
"Fred, snap out of it. Fred, snap out of it. Fred, snap out of it."
*SLAP!*
"Wasn't me!"
Ether would be too hazardous. |
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| DanielSan |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:08 am |
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Father Haskell wrote:
Quote: Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
Whatever Fred Randall was on.
"It's me, Fred. They've taken over the ship! 50, 60 of them! I've had
to hide in the jungle. Take this down: I need four barrels of
gunpowder, a machete, a goat skin, a guide that speaks Hutu."
"Fred, snap out of it. Fred, snap out of it. Fred, snap out of it."
*SLAP!*
"Wasn't me!" |
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| Uncle Vic |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:21 am |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com>
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Quote: Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
Super Nintendo.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. |
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| Martha Adams |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:44 am |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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Quote: One fine day in alt.atheism, Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com
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Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
Super Nintendo.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
I don't see 'recreational drugs' in space, where one may
need to become totally reality-based on zero notice. I
do think there will be a place for work and study; for
some meditations; for *exercise* which brings up good
endorphins as well as counteracting harmful effects of
zero g.
*Eighteen months*? ?? I think that's an error; however,
such travel times are in sight for going out past the
Belt or for some sort of science Grand Tour expedition.
The question calls for the Zubrin Method: Do analog expeditions
as locally as possible to develop the technology; then apply
it to incrementally extended expeditions as experience
complements basic knowhow. I.e., *research* and as that
has not been done we don't know what will turn up when we do
it. Thus I think 'recreational drugs' is doubly wrong now.
Titeotwawki -- mha [2008 Apr 21] |
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| Uncle Vic |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:52 am |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Martha Adams" <mhada@verizon.net> wrote:
Quote: *Eighteen months*? ?? I think that's an error; however,
such travel times are in sight for going out past the
Belt or for some sort of science Grand Tour expedition.
I thought it was more like 6 or 7 months. And their worst enemy is far
from boredom, it's radiation bombardment in open space.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. |
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| Llanzlan Klazmon |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:03 am |
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On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway. |
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| raven1 |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:25 am |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
Pot would be nice, but smoking in a spaceship probably wouldn't be the
best idea, so an adequate supply of brownies should be provided. And
as anyone who has ever seen the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey can
tell you, outer space and LSD go hand-in-hand. |
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| Martha Adams |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:33 am |
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <bill.m.thomas@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.
See Zubrin, 'The Case For Mars' (twelve years ago). Very good book.
Zubrin suggests re that 'fried astronaut' radiation out there, to
send tobacco addicts to Mars. Without their tobacco, after that
radiation exposure, they will experience a (statistical) net lifespan
*gain*.
Titeotwawki -- mha [sci.space.policy 2008 Apr 21] |
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| Martha Adams |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:24 am |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
Pot would be nice, but smoking in a spaceship probably wouldn't be the
best idea, so an adequate supply of brownies should be provided. And
as anyone who has ever seen the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey can
tell you, outer space and LSD go hand-in-hand.
Thus if a meteorite holes your ship and you're too dazed with chemicals
to cope with it, then you're 'stoned' indeed.
Titeotwawki -- mha [2008 Apr 21 |
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| raven1 |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:28 am |
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:24:45 GMT, "Martha Adams" <mhada@verizon.net>
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
Pot would be nice, but smoking in a spaceship probably wouldn't be the
best idea, so an adequate supply of brownies should be provided. And
as anyone who has ever seen the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey can
tell you, outer space and LSD go hand-in-hand.
Thus if a meteorite holes your ship and you're too dazed with chemicals
to cope with it, then you're 'stoned' indeed.
Now that would be a *really* bad trip! |
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| DanielSan |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:40 am |
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raven1 wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:24:45 GMT, "Martha Adams" <mhada@verizon.net
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
Pot would be nice, but smoking in a spaceship probably wouldn't be the
best idea, so an adequate supply of brownies should be provided. And
as anyone who has ever seen the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey can
tell you, outer space and LSD go hand-in-hand.
Thus if a meteorite holes your ship and you're too dazed with chemicals
to cope with it, then you're 'stoned' indeed.
Now that would be a *really* bad trip!
Jus' sit right back
And you'll hear a tale
A tale of a fateful trip... |
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| Father Haskell |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:45 pm |
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On Apr 21, 7:03 am, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.
No worse than on ground here, since cosmic rays -- technically,
the shortest wavelength EM radiation -- aren't stopped by 100 or
so miles of air. Fact is, thousands of cosmic rays have passed
through your body by the time you've read this far. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:00 pm |
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On Apr 21, 8:33 am, "Martha Adams" <mh...@verizon.net> wrote:
Quote: "Llanzlan Klazmon" <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.
See Zubrin, 'The Case For Mars' (twelve years ago). Very good book.
Zubrin suggests re that 'fried astronaut' radiation out there, to
send tobacco addicts to Mars.
<raises hand to volunteer>
Quote: Without their tobacco, after that
radiation exposure, they will experience a (statistical) net lifespan
*gain*.
I don't know...six months without a cigarette, and I'd probably make
an error operating a system. A blown mid-course manuver, or neglecting
to clean the scrubbers...I don't think a small craft with more than
one of us would survive the trip. <g>
Quote: Titeotwawki -- mha [sci.space.policy 2008 Apr 21]
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Knights of BAAWA! |
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| Llanzlan Klazmon |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:12 pm |
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On Apr 22, 10:45 am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 21, 7:03 am, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?
I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.
No worse than on ground here, since cosmic rays -- technically,
the shortest wavelength EM radiation -- aren't stopped by 100 or
so miles of air. Fact is, thousands of cosmic rays have passed
through your body by the time you've read this far.
A goodly percentage of them have already scattered off atmospheric
molecules well before hitting the ground. The flux is much lower at
sea level than in outer space plus the Earth itself blocks 50% of
them. Astronauts frequently report seeing flashes of light in their
eyeballs as cosmic rays scatter inside the eyeball fluid. If you don't
think it's a problem you better advise NASA as they think otherwise.
According to them, the difference in exposure is about three orders of
magnitude |
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