On Apr 22, 10:45 am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:03 am, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.

No worse than on ground here, since cosmic rays -- technically,
the shortest wavelength EM radiation -- aren't stopped by 100 or
so miles of air. Fact is, thousands of cosmic rays have passed
through your body by the time you've read this far.

A goodly percentage of them have already scattered off atmospheric
molecules well before hitting the ground.

The flux is much lower at
sea level than in outer space plus the Earth itself blocks 50% of
them.

Astronauts frequently report seeing flashes of light in their
eyeballs as cosmic rays scatter inside the eyeball fluid. If you don't
think it's a problem you better advise NASA as they think otherwise.
According to them, the difference in exposure is about three orders of
magnitude

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

On Apr 21, 7:03 am, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.

No worse than on ground here, since cosmic rays -- technically,
the shortest wavelength EM radiation -- aren't stopped by 100 or
so miles of air. Fact is, thousands of cosmic rays have passed
through your body by the time you've read this far.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:24:45 GMT, "Martha Adams" <mhada@verizon.net
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
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Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

Pot would be nice, but smoking in a spaceship probably wouldn't be the
best idea, so an adequate supply of brownies should be provided. And
as anyone who has ever seen the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey can
tell you, outer space and LSD go hand-in-hand.

Thus if a meteorite holes your ship and you're too dazed with chemicals
to cope with it, then you're 'stoned' indeed.

Now that would be a *really* bad trip!

Will recreational drugs play a role?  Which ones?

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:45:15 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:03 am, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.

No worse than on ground here, since cosmic rays -- technically,
the shortest wavelength EM radiation -- aren't stopped by 100 or
so miles of air. Fact is, thousands of cosmic rays have passed
through your body by the time you've read this far.

I believe that earth's magnetism is responsible for diverting a lot of the
cosmic rays. This is one of the concerns of what happens when the poles go
through their shift, and for a period, there is not a good deal of magnetic
field

Ben

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:45:15 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell

fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 21, 7:03 am, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.

No worse than on ground here, since cosmic rays -- technically,
the shortest wavelength EM radiation -- aren't stopped by 100 or
so miles of air. Fact is, thousands of cosmic rays have passed
through your body by the time you've read this far.

I believe that earth's magnetism is responsible for diverting a lot of the
cosmic rays.

This is one of the concerns of what happens when the poles go
through their shift, and for a period, there is not a good deal of magnetic
field

On Apr 21, 12:58 am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

Not officially no.

I don't believe mind-altering drugs are necessary or desireable.

Yet, it will be likely that two drugs, which are currently used by the
US military, will likely be in the pharmacopia of any Mars expedition.

Now, given that they're all prohibited, and are Schedule III drugs in
the US, they will not likely play any role whatever in any US program
recreationally. At least not openly.

However, the drugs described below - are currently prescribed for
relationship improvement by therapists in certain European countries -
they also reduce interpersonal tension in close knit community - and
they are available as a prescription in those countries and are
pharmaceutical quality.

They are also used as anesthetics and stress reduction in battle field
and are routinely given to soldiers to improve morale, reduce tension,
and ease pain. Before being categorized as a Schedule III drug, they
were prescribed by therapists in the USA as well.

These drugs are;

Ecstasy with a ketamine kicker - aka - kitty flipping.

If you have an interest in such things, you may consider a trip to
Holland or Iraq.

http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/holland_hookers_and_hook...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands

In Holland, meet with a licensed therapist, to get a legal scrip for
these sorts of things. In Iraq - get hit with an IED and survive and
convince the doc to give you something for your nerves.

I do not recommend doing any of this, or taking the drugs OUT of
Holland when you return to your country of origin. or Iraq for that
matter. Should you do this, since the metabolites will stay in your
bloodstream for a period of weeks, and since most States test blood
and urine, I recommend you not drive for at least two weeks after you
return - should you be foolish enough to do all this.

But that doesn't stop folks from doing so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketaminehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mdma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin

Captain Cook spent a lot more time with a lot more men in a lot more
difficult environment than a mars expedition.

I would suggest a cache of Rum be dispensed by the medical personnell
on board the mars ship... and a pair of boxing gloves be stowed
aboard - for suprvised fighting to ease tension and build morale -
instead of resorting kitty flipping - but I doubt what I think will
change anything.

According to legal records, about 2.5% - 1 in 40 - docs in the US
military abuse their pharmacy and supply these drugs under conditions
that would be considered recreational use. Rates are higher in other
federal agencies - such as the Public Health Service, etc., which are
higher than in the public generally. This is likely due to the number
of young people involved, and the ease with which the drugs are
prescribed in the battlefield.

Beyond the pattern of use in federal agencies, there are other
possibilities.

Some of the early pioneers of these drugs felt they were in contact
with aliens and non human intelligence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly

Also, given this history, and the covert history of the intelligence
community of the United States with these drugs, and the history of
the intelligence community with bizarre pseudo science programs;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Projecthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkultra

there may be federally PROMOTED use of these drugs in the space
community today. Why? First as a means to attempt contact with
aliens and non-human intelligence. Second, as a means to control the
range of discourse of astronauts and reign in their political
potential following momentous publicly hailed journeys.

I mean, other explorers in other epochs, oft times became politically
and financially very powerful as a result of their journeys. Despite
the media coverage of say a moon landing, and despite significant
interesting insights of moon explorers say,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Noetic_Sciences#History

we don't see translation to a broader power base among any. While
some explorers in the past fell on hard times. Some were quite
successful. NONE have converted their journeys into success.

This might to some extent be due to the fact that such influence is
being covertly repressed or managed, and perhaps the insights
themselves are being coopted by a covert operation managed by the US
intelligence community.

I cannot know if that's true - it makes a helluva story though.

Given that going to the moon and returning to Earth gave about 1/4 of
the returning astronauts deeply meaningful insights that they could
communicate sensibly to others after only a week or two in deep
space. It is very likely that a small crew spending 18 months in
space - will have similar transformations and realizations.

Given their high profile status, they may even be selected on the
basis of their drug use. Since any wild ass ideas or insights they
have can be explained by such use to the public, and since what they
say and do after returning - can be controlled by the threat of
disclosure - and disclosure in any event may be seen by some as a
lever that can be used to dampen public enthusiasm for over spending
on say settling mars following the expedition - should that arise and
not be controllable by other means.

One cannot know these things, but a simple Bayesian analysis indicates
that it 100% likely that these two drugs will be on board ship, and
that it 25% likely that one or more crew members will use them
recreationally - and it 5% likely that it will become publicly known
on their return.

Again, who knows? It makes for a ripping yarn doesn't it? I can see
the future book now - winning a Pulitzer Prize and top selling book
for 10 weeks running - in 2021 - 'Mars MDMA and collapse of NASA'

On Apr 21, 9:12 pm, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Apr 22, 10:45 am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:03 am, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.

No worse than on ground here, since cosmic rays -- technically,
the shortest wavelength EM radiation -- aren't stopped by 100 or
so miles of air. Fact is, thousands of cosmic rays have passed
through your body by the time you've read this far.

A goodly percentage of them have already scattered off atmospheric
molecules well before hitting the ground.

Right. They collide and impart their energy, creating daughter
products of varied ionizing power.

The flux is much lower at
sea level than in outer space plus the Earth itself blocks 50% of
them.

So we just need a shield of granite about, oh, 7,800 miles thick.

Astronauts frequently report seeing flashes of light in their
eyeballs as cosmic rays scatter inside the eyeball fluid. If you don't
think it's a problem you better advise NASA as they think otherwise.
According to them, the difference in exposure is about three orders of
magnitude

They're visible in several of the Cassini Saturn images.

On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.

"Llanzlan Klazmon" <bill.m.thomas@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 21, 4:58 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Will recreational drugs play a role? Which ones?

I be a lot more worried about eighteen months of exposure to cosmic
rays. Kentucky fried astronaut. At least considerble genetic damage
anyway.

See Zubrin, 'The Case For Mars' (twelve years ago). Very good book.
Zubrin suggests re that 'fried astronaut' radiation out there, to
send tobacco addicts to Mars. Without their tobacco, after that
radiation exposure, they will experience a (statistical) net lifespan
*gain*.

: "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com
: Einstein reckoned that anyone taking that journey would experience a (minor)
: lifespan gain, compared to those who remained on earth.

People at greater heights in a gravitational potential age faster.
That's why it's always best to sleep in the lower bunk.