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V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:43 pm

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""Blattus Slafaly" wrote:

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This is not science it's a religious crusade with no basis in fact. Even
his videos were Hollywood special effects productions.

Not according to the worlds scientific community.

Now who are we to believe in the matters of science? The worlds
scientific community? Or Scientifically Illiterate, Politically Motivated,
Shit Sucking, KKKonservatives?

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:55 pm

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"Robert Blass" <blame@messenger.xcx> wrote

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The OPENING SCENE in gore's movie is the scene from the movie The Day
after Tomorrow, the hollywood computer generated scene of glaciers
melting off into the sea.

Nope. The opening scene is a pan right from a tree to a river with a
voice over from Gore talking about be beauty of the river and of nature.

Blass is a bad liar, and has never seen the Documentary.

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:56 pm

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"Robert Blass" <blame@messenger.xcx> wrote

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Don't question anything, just lay down and believe whatever they say
as fact.

Let's all be Jews in Hitler's Germany.

Impossible Robert. You aren't smart enough to call yorself a Jew.

Poetic Justice

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:22 pm

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Seon Ferguson wrote:

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2. The science is settled -- CO2 causes global warming.

This is my favorite one. Call me stupid but don't humans,
plants >>>>>> and
in fact all living things send out CO2? So how then is CO2
supposed
to damage our atmosphere if CO2 has been sent to it since the
beginning of history?

**Have you been living under a rock? Or are you really THAT
stupid?
CO2 levels are rising faster than at any time in history. The last
time CO2 levels were higher than they are now (more than
400,000 >>>>> years
ago) there was a mass extinction. Wanna speculate as to what will
happen WHEN CO2 levels rise further? Do you know what mass
extinction
means?

Sheesh!

Trevor Wilson

I don't speculate any more. Speculation can result in Bush
carried >>>> out
911 or something. I prefer to rely on facts and the facts are
400,000
years ago there was no oil companies or whatnot. How did the CO2
levels
get so high without pollution?

**OK. CO2 _is_ a pollutant. It got high due to production from
single
celled critters.

Could it be possible the CO2 levels are high because of
similar reasons?

**IT DOESN'T MATTER. It rose due to different reasons millennia ago.
Many species were exterminated. It is rising today, due to CO2
production from mankind. Many species will be exterminated.

Well what were the reasons

**Asked and answered.

and it does matter because if were going to
introduce global taxes we have to remove all doupt from sceptics
like >> me.

**If you cannot read the data, then no one can help you. The
information
has been presented and there is no little doubt. If you, with your
esteemed scientific credentials, still can't figure it out, then be
prepared to be ignored.

Also I wonder if the Sun cycles were simular back then. Thats
something
for me to research...

**Off you go then. The rest of humanity will accept the truth. You can
continue to deny it, if that's what floats your boat.

Hey there's pleanty of other's who question if we really are causing
global
warming.

Sure there are, poorly educated idiots just like yourself.

You can't understand the science, so you question it.

Prepare for greatness, man, you're a genius.

Hey I think i hear another poor Polar bear drowning you better save it

I'll send them some sun Blocker, what do you think SPF 45 ?

0NBZ0

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:03 pm

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"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
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0NBZ0 wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:58:14 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com> wrote:
Huh? Holy shit! Did you miss the bit where CO2, in large quantities,
traps heat
like a blanket, or greenhouse glass? Hence the name greenhouse gas.

Holy shit yourself.

Wake up buddy.
Although CO2 has long been recognized as a greenhouse gas, it makes
up only ~0.03% of the atmosphere (Figure 3), far less than water
vapor (2-4%). Atmospheric CO2 levels have risen sharply since 1945
to 0.038%, but the question is whether or not an increase of only
0.008%

it's not an increas of 0.08% and you know it. It's an increase of 26%

Depends on how you look at it.
Anyway, the response is LOGARITHMIC so,
if there is any warming from the ADDITIONAL CO2,
then it's insignificant.
--

Regards

Bonzo

"IPCC staff is working feverishly on a theory that supports global
cooling as proof of global warming. Stay tuned." Addison Gardner

0NBZ0

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:05 pm

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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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2. The science is settled -- CO2 causes global warming.

This is my favorite one. Call me stupid but don't humans, plants
and in fact all living things send out CO2? So how then is CO2
supposed to damage our atmosphere if CO2 has been sent to it since
the beginning of history?

**Have you been living under a rock? Or are you really THAT stupid?
CO2 levels are rising faster than at any time in history. The last
time CO2 levels were higher than they are now (more than 400,000
years ago) there was a mass extinction. Wanna speculate as to what
will happen WHEN CO2 levels rise further? Do you know what mass
extinction means?

Sheesh!

Trevor Wilson

I don't speculate any more. Speculation can result in Bush carried
out 911 or something. I prefer to rely on facts and the facts are
400,000 years ago there was no oil companies or whatnot. How did the
CO2 levels get so high without pollution?

**OK. CO2 _is_ a pollutant. It got high due to production from single
celled critters.

Could it be possible the CO2 levels are high because of
similar reasons?

**IT DOESN'T MATTER. It rose due to different reasons millennia ago.
Many species were exterminated. It is rising today, due to CO2
production from mankind. Many species will be exterminated.

We don't know the source of the additional CO2.
So which species have been extreminated so far due to mythical AGW???
None that I'm aware of.

Regards

Bonzo

"What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the
principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries?...In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the
only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse?
Isn't it our responsibility to bring this about?" Maurice Strong,1990

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:19 am

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Observation, out of 20 points listed below. Libertarian Cato is found to
have lied in every instance.

Concludion. Libertarian Cato is a Liar.

Hardly a surprise as I have never encounterd a Libertairan who wasn't a
perpetual liar.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 1
Sea level "rising 6 m"

Never stated. Cato's First lie.

Quote:

ERROR 2
Pacific islands "drowning"

Stated in the future tense, not the current tense. Cato's Second Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 3
Thermohaline circulation "stopping"

Stated as a possibility - and correctly so. Cato's Third Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 4
CO2 "driving temperature"

It does. Cato's Forth Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 5
Gore says "global warming" has been melting the snows of Mount
Kilimanjaro in Africa. It is not.

One researcher claims otherwise. The rest side with Gore. Cato's Fifth
lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 6
Lake Chad "drying up" Gore says "global warming" dried up Lake Chad in
Africa. It did not. Over-extraction of water and changing agricultural
patterns dried the lake, which was also dry in 8500BC, 5500BC, 1000BC
and 100BC.

Which is Lie number 6 for Cato.

This is what Gore says about Lake Chad...

"Unbelievable tragedies have been unfolding there and there are a lot
reasons for it. Darfur and Niger are among those tragedies. One of the
factors that has been compounding this is the lack of rainfall and the
increasing drought. This is Lake Chad, once one of the largest lakes in the
world. It has dried up over the last few decades to almost nothing."

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 7
Hurricane Katrina "man made"

Which is lie # 7 for Cato

This is what Gore says about Katrina.

"And then of course came Katrina. It is worth remembering that when it hit
Florida it was a Category 1, but it killed a lot of people and caused
billions of dollars worth of damage. And then, what happened? Before it hit
New Orleans, it went over warmer water. As the water temperature increases,
the wind velocity increases and the moisture content increases. And you'll
see Hurricane Katrina form over Florida. And then as it comes into the Gulf
over warm water it becomes stronger and stronger and stronger. Look at that
Hurricane's eye. And of course the consequences were so horrendous; there
are no words to describe it. "

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 8
Polar bears "dying"

Which is lie #8 for Cato

This is what Gore said about Polar Bears.

"So there is a faster build up of heat here at the North Pole in the Arctic
Ocean and the Arctic generally than any where else on the planet. That's not
good for creatures like polar bears that depend on the ice. A new scientific
study shows that for the first time they're finding polar bears that have
actually drowned, swimming long distances up to 60 miles to find the ice.
They did not find that before."

Which is correct.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 9
Gore says coral reefs are "bleaching" because of "global warming."
They are not. There was some bleaching in 1998, but this was caused by
the exceptional El Nino Southern Oscillation that year.

Which is error #9 from Cato.

And what is El Nino? A Warming of the Pacific surface waters.

So acccording to Cato, here, it isn't the warming of the earth's oceans
that causes coral bleaching, in th pacific, it's the rise of pacific ocean
temperatures.

MMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOONNNNNNN

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 10
100 ppmv of CO2 "melting mile-thick ice"

And that is lie 10 out of 10 for Cato.

The phrase "melting mile-thick ice." never appears in Gores Documentary.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 11
Hurricane Caterina "manmade"

Which is lie # 11 for Cato A repeat of Lie #7

This is what Gore says about Katrina.

"And then of course came Katrina. It is worth remembering that when it hit
Florida it was a Category 1, but it killed a lot of people and caused
billions of dollars worth of damage. And then, what happened? Before it hit
New Orleans, it went over warmer water. As the water temperature increases,
the wind velocity increases and the moisture content increases. And you'll
see Hurricane Katrina form over Florida. And then as it comes into the Gulf
over warm water it becomes stronger and stronger and stronger. Look at that
Hurricane's eye. And of course the consequences were so horrendous; there
are no words to describe it. "

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 12
Japanese typhoons "a new record"

Which is lie # 12 for Cato.

Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 13
Hurricanes "getting stronger"

Which is lie # 13 for Cato
..
Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 14
Big storm insurances losses "increasing"

Which is lie # 14 for Cato
Weather-Related Insurance Losses Doubled in '07
30 Dec 07
Losses to insurers from natural disasters nearly doubled this year to just
below $30 billion globally after an unusually quiet 2006, a leading
reinsurer said, from winter storms in Europe, flooding in Britain and
wildfires in the U.S.

http://www.desmogblog.com/weather-related-insurance-losses-doubled-in-07

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 15
Mumbai "flooding"

Which is lie # 15 for Cato.
Mumbai did flood.

The Maharashtra floods of 2005 refers to the flooding of many parts of the
Indian state of Maharashtra including large areas of the metropolis Mumbai,
a city located on the coast of the Arabian Sea, on the western coast of
India, in which at least 1,000 people died. It occurred just one month after
similar flooding in Gujarat.
The floods were caused by the eighth heaviest ever recorded 24-hour rainfall
figure of 944 mm (37.2 inches) which lashed the metropolis on 26 July 2005,
and intermittently continued for the next day. 644 mm (25.4 inches) was
received within the 12-hr period between 8am and 8pm. Torrential rainfall
continued for the next week.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 16
Severe tornadoes "more frequent"

Which is lie # 16 for Cato.
Reconstructing the frequency of tornado occurrence in the central United
States

Matthew J. Menne, NOAA/NESDIS/NCDC, Asheville, NC

Evidence is presented that the apparent decrease in strong-to-violent
tornado frequency since 1950 implied by the official storm archive is
inconsistent with the radiosonde record. Abrupt changes in the bias of the
reconstruction, that is, the ratio of the number of tornado soundings
predicted to the number observed, are shown to be coincident with changes in
storm classification procedures that occurred during the 1970s and the early
1990s. Rather than a decrease in frequency since the 1950s, the
reconstruction suggests that supercell tornado frequency has been reasonably
stationary until the 1990s when some increase in frequency is suggested.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 17
The sun "heats the Arctic ocean"

Which is lie # 17 for Cato.

The sun does heat the arctic ocean from the moment the sun rises over the
arctic ocean.

MMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNN

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 18
Arctic "warming fastest" Gore says the Arctic has been warming faster
than the rest of the planet. It is not.

Which is lie #18 by Cato.
Arctic warming at twice global rate
Shaoni Bhattacharya

17:58 02 November 2004
NewScientist.com news service
Global warming in the Arctic is happening now, warns the most comprehensive
scientific report to date. The reports concludes that the northern ice cap
is warming at twice the global rate and that this will lead to serious
consequences for the planet.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6615-arctic-warming-at-twice-global-rate.html

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 19
Greenland ice sheet "unstable"

Which is lie #19 by Cato.

The word "unstable" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth".

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 20
Himalayan glacial melt waters "failing"

Which is lie #20 by Cato.

The word "failing" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth."

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:19 am

Guest

Quote:

ERROR 1
Sea level "rising 6 m"

Never stated. Cato's First lie.

Quote:

ERROR 2
Pacific islands "drowning"

Stated in the future tense, not the current tense. Cato's Second Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 3
Thermohaline circulation "stopping"

Stated as a possibility - and correctly so. Cato's Third Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 4
CO2 "driving temperature"

It does. Cato's Forth Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 5
Gore says "global warming" has been melting the snows of Mount
Kilimanjaro in Africa. It is not.

One researcher claims otherwise. The rest side with Gore. Cato's Fifth
lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 7
Hurricane Katrina "man made"

Quote:

ERROR 8
Polar bears "dying"

Quote:

ERROR 10
100 ppmv of CO2 "melting mile-thick ice"

And that is lie 10 out of 10 for Cato.

The phrase "melting mile-thick ice." never appears in Gores Documentary.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 11
Hurricane Caterina "manmade"

Quote:

ERROR 12
Japanese typhoons "a new record"

Which is lie # 12 for Cato.

Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 13
Hurricanes "getting stronger"

Which is lie # 13 for Cato
..
Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 14
Big storm insurances losses "increasing"

Quote:

ERROR 15
Mumbai "flooding"

Quote:

ERROR 16
Severe tornadoes "more frequent"

Quote:

ERROR 17
The sun "heats the Arctic ocean"

Quote:

ERROR 18
Arctic "warming fastest" Gore says the Arctic has been warming faster
than the rest of the planet. It is not.

Quote:

ERROR 19
Greenland ice sheet "unstable"

Which is lie #19 by Cato.

The word "unstable" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth".

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 20
Himalayan glacial melt waters "failing"

Which is lie #20 by Cato.

The word "failing" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth."

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:19 am

Guest

Quote:

ERROR 1
Sea level "rising 6 m"

Never stated. Cato's First lie.

Quote:

ERROR 2
Pacific islands "drowning"

Stated in the future tense, not the current tense. Cato's Second Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 3
Thermohaline circulation "stopping"

Stated as a possibility - and correctly so. Cato's Third Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 4
CO2 "driving temperature"

It does. Cato's Forth Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 5
Gore says "global warming" has been melting the snows of Mount
Kilimanjaro in Africa. It is not.

One researcher claims otherwise. The rest side with Gore. Cato's Fifth
lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 7
Hurricane Katrina "man made"

Quote:

ERROR 8
Polar bears "dying"

Quote:

ERROR 10
100 ppmv of CO2 "melting mile-thick ice"

And that is lie 10 out of 10 for Cato.

The phrase "melting mile-thick ice." never appears in Gores Documentary.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 11
Hurricane Caterina "manmade"

Quote:

ERROR 12
Japanese typhoons "a new record"

Which is lie # 12 for Cato.

Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 13
Hurricanes "getting stronger"

Which is lie # 13 for Cato
..
Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 14
Big storm insurances losses "increasing"

Quote:

ERROR 15
Mumbai "flooding"

Quote:

ERROR 16
Severe tornadoes "more frequent"

Quote:

ERROR 17
The sun "heats the Arctic ocean"

Quote:

ERROR 18
Arctic "warming fastest" Gore says the Arctic has been warming faster
than the rest of the planet. It is not.

Quote:

ERROR 19
Greenland ice sheet "unstable"

Which is lie #19 by Cato.

The word "unstable" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth".

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 20
Himalayan glacial melt waters "failing"

Which is lie #20 by Cato.

The word "failing" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth."

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:19 am

Guest

Quote:

ERROR 1
Sea level "rising 6 m"

Never stated. Cato's First lie.

Quote:

ERROR 2
Pacific islands "drowning"

Stated in the future tense, not the current tense. Cato's Second Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 3
Thermohaline circulation "stopping"

Stated as a possibility - and correctly so. Cato's Third Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 4
CO2 "driving temperature"

It does. Cato's Forth Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 5
Gore says "global warming" has been melting the snows of Mount
Kilimanjaro in Africa. It is not.

One researcher claims otherwise. The rest side with Gore. Cato's Fifth
lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 7
Hurricane Katrina "man made"

Quote:

ERROR 8
Polar bears "dying"

Quote:

ERROR 10
100 ppmv of CO2 "melting mile-thick ice"

And that is lie 10 out of 10 for Cato.

The phrase "melting mile-thick ice." never appears in Gores Documentary.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 11
Hurricane Caterina "manmade"

Quote:

ERROR 12
Japanese typhoons "a new record"

Which is lie # 12 for Cato.

Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 13
Hurricanes "getting stronger"

Which is lie # 13 for Cato
..
Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 14
Big storm insurances losses "increasing"

Quote:

ERROR 15
Mumbai "flooding"

Quote:

ERROR 16
Severe tornadoes "more frequent"

Quote:

ERROR 17
The sun "heats the Arctic ocean"

Quote:

ERROR 18
Arctic "warming fastest" Gore says the Arctic has been warming faster
than the rest of the planet. It is not.

Quote:

ERROR 19
Greenland ice sheet "unstable"

Which is lie #19 by Cato.

The word "unstable" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth".

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 20
Himalayan glacial melt waters "failing"

Which is lie #20 by Cato.

The word "failing" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth."

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:20 am

Guest

Quote:

ERROR 1
Sea level "rising 6 m"

Never stated. Cato's First lie.

Quote:

ERROR 2
Pacific islands "drowning"

Stated in the future tense, not the current tense. Cato's Second Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 3
Thermohaline circulation "stopping"

Stated as a possibility - and correctly so. Cato's Third Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 4
CO2 "driving temperature"

It does. Cato's Forth Lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 5
Gore says "global warming" has been melting the snows of Mount
Kilimanjaro in Africa. It is not.

One researcher claims otherwise. The rest side with Gore. Cato's Fifth
lie.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

Quote:

ERROR 7
Hurricane Katrina "man made"

Quote:

ERROR 8
Polar bears "dying"

Quote:

ERROR 10
100 ppmv of CO2 "melting mile-thick ice"

And that is lie 10 out of 10 for Cato.

The phrase "melting mile-thick ice." never appears in Gores Documentary.

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 11
Hurricane Caterina "manmade"

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ERROR 12
Japanese typhoons "a new record"

Which is lie # 12 for Cato.

Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 13
Hurricanes "getting stronger"

Which is lie # 13 for Cato
..
Warmer Seas Creating Stronger Hurricane, Study Confirms
by Ker Than

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-08.htm

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 14
Big storm insurances losses "increasing"

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Mumbai "flooding"

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Severe tornadoes "more frequent"

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The sun "heats the Arctic ocean"

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ERROR 18
Arctic "warming fastest" Gore says the Arctic has been warming faster
than the rest of the planet. It is not.

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ERROR 19
Greenland ice sheet "unstable"

Which is lie #19 by Cato.

The word "unstable" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth".

"Cato" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote

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ERROR 20
Himalayan glacial melt waters "failing"

Which is lie #20 by Cato.

The word "failing" never appears in Gore's award winning documentary - "An
Inconvenient Truth."

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:26 am

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"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote

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Hey there's pleanty of other's who question if we really are causing
global
warming. Maybe were contributing to it you know making it happen quicker?

Yup, and there are plenty of people who question weather Smoking causes
cancer.

Oh wait. they are the same people.

MMMMMMMOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNN

Trevor Wilson

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:14 am

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2. The science is settled -- CO2 causes global warming.

This is my favorite one. Call me stupid but don't humans, plants and
in fact all living things send out CO2? So how then is CO2 supposed to
damage our atmosphere if CO2 has been sent to it since the beginning
of history?

**Have you been living under a rock? Or are you really THAT stupid? CO2
levels are rising faster than at any time in history. The last time CO2
levels were higher than they are now (more than 400,000 years ago)
there was a mass extinction. Wanna speculate as to what will happen
WHEN CO2 levels rise further? Do you know what mass extinction means?

Sheesh!

Trevor Wilson

I don't speculate any more. Speculation can result in Bush carried out
911 or something. I prefer to rely on facts and the facts are 400,000
years ago there was no oil companies or whatnot. How did the CO2 levels
get so high without pollution?

**OK. CO2 _is_ a pollutant. It got high due to production from single
celled critters.

Could it be possible the CO2 levels are high because of
similar reasons?

**IT DOESN'T MATTER. It rose due to different reasons millennia ago. Many
species were exterminated. It is rising today, due to CO2 production from
mankind. Many species will be exterminated.

We don't know the source of the additional CO2.

**WRONG! We KNOW that humans are pumping out more CO2 than ever before.

Quote:

So which species have been extreminated so far due to mythical AGW???

**Points:
* A lot.
* AGW is fact, not myth.

Quote:

None that I'm aware of.

**Hardly surprising.

Trevor Wilson

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2. The science is settled -- CO2 causes global warming.
This is my favorite one. Call me stupid but don't humans, plants
and in fact all living things send out CO2? So how then is CO2
supposed to damage our atmosphere if CO2 has been sent to it
since the beginning of history?
**Have you been living under a rock? Or are you really THAT
stupid? CO2 levels are rising faster than at any time in history.
The last time CO2 levels were higher than they are now (more than
400,000 years ago) there was a mass extinction. Wanna speculate as
to what will happen WHEN CO2 levels rise further? Do you know what
mass extinction means?
Trevor Wilson
I don't speculate any more. Speculation can result in Bush carried
out 911 or something. I prefer to rely on facts and the facts are
400,000 years ago there was no oil companies or whatnot. How did
the CO2 levels get so high without pollution?
**OK. CO2 _is_ a pollutant. It got high due to production from
single celled critters.
Could it be possible the CO2 levels are high because of
similar reasons?
**IT DOESN'T MATTER. It rose due to different reasons millennia ago.
Many species were exterminated. It is rising today, due to CO2
production from mankind. Many species will be exterminated.
We don't know the source of the additional CO2.
**WRONG! We KNOW that humans are pumping out more CO2 than ever
before.

WRONG:
FACT: Carbon dioxide levels have indeed changed for various reasons,
human and otherwise, just as they have throughout geologic time. Since
the beginning of the industrial revolution, the CO2 content of the
atmosphere has increased. The RATE of growth during this period has also
increased from about 0.2% per year to the present rate of about 0.4% per
year,which growth rate has now been constant for the past 25 years.
However, there is no proof that CO2 is the main driver of global
warming. As measured in ice cores dated over many thousands of years,
CO2 levels move up and down AFTER the temperature has done so, and thus
are the RESULT OF, NOT THE CAUSE of warming. Geological field work in
recent sediments confirms this causal relationship. There is solid
evidence that, as temperatures move up and down naturally and cyclically
through solar radiation, orbital and galactic influences, the warming
surface layers of the earth's oceans expel more CO2 as a result.

Quote:

So which species have been extreminated so far due to mythical AGW???
**Points:
* A lot.
* AGW is fact, not myth.

AGW is a junk science myth!

"If scientists say they are 100% sure, or that they are absolutely
certain about the cause and effect and ignore variables which might show
that they could be wrong, they are practicing junk science. Junk science
happens when scientists believe something based on just some of what
they see."
--

**************
Try some commonsense!

Global Warming? Some Commonsense Thoughts

Reid A. Bryson Ph.D., D.Sc., D.Engr.1

http://www.sitewave.net/news/s49p1837.htm

The Built-in Nonsense Detector

Hardly a day goes by without a news article in the paper containing a
reference to someone's opinion about "Global Warming". A quick search of
the internet uncovers literally hundreds of items about "Global
Warming". Issues of atmospheric science journals will normally have at
least one article on climatic change, usually meaning "Global Warming"
or some aspect thereof. Whole generations of graduate students have been
trained to believe that we know the main answers about climate change
and only have to work out the details.

Why then do I bother you by introducing this section with such a
ludicrous title?

I do it because, as one who has spent many decades studying the subject
professionally, I find that there are enormous gaps in the understanding
of those making the most strident claims about climatic change. In order
to read the news rationally, the educated reader needs a few keys to
quickly sort the patently absurd from the possibly correct. I propose to
supply some of those keys to give the reader at least a rudimentary
nonsense detector.

Some Common Fallacies

1. The atmospheric warming of the last century is unprecedented and
unique.

Wrong.

There are literally thousands of papers in the scientific literature
with data that shows that the climate has been changing one way or the
other for millions of years.

2. It is a fact that the warming of the past century was anthropogenic
in origin, i.e. man-made and due to carbon dioxide emission.

Wrong.

That is a theory for which there is no credible proof. There are a
number of causes of climatic change, and until all causes other than
carbon dioxide increase are ruled out, we cannot attribute the change to
carbon dioxide alone.

3. The most important gas with a "greenhouse" effect is carbon dioxide.

Wrong.

Water vapor is at least 100 times as effective as carbon dioxide, so
small variations in water vapor are more important than large changes in
carbon dioxide.

4. One cannot argue with the computer models that predict the climate
effects of a doubling of carbon dioxide or other "greenhouse gases".

Wrong.

To show this we must show that the computer models can at least
duplicate the present-day climate. This they cannot do with what could
be called accuracy by any stretch of the imagination. There are studies
that show that the average error in modeling present precipitation is on
the order of 100%, and the error in modeling present temperature is
about the same size as the predicted change due to a doubling of carbon
dioxide. For many areas, the precipitation error is 300-400 percent.

5. I am arguing that the carbon dioxide measurements are poorly done.

Wrong.

The measurements are well done, but the interpretation of them is often
less than acceptably scientific.

6. It is the consensus of scientists in general that
carbon-dioxide-induced warming of the climate is a fact.

Probably wrong. I know of no vote having been taken, and know that if
such a vote were taken of those who are most vocal about the matter, it
would include a significant fraction of people who do not know enough
about climate to have a significant opinion. Taking a vote is a risky
way to discover scientific truth.

So What Can We Say about Global Warming?

We can say that the Earth has most probably warmed in the past century.
We cannot say what part of that warming was due to mankind's addition of
"greenhouse gases" until we consider the other possible factors, such as
aerosols. The aerosol content of the atmosphere was measured during the
past century, but to my knowledge this data was never used.

We can say that the question of anthropogenic modification of the
climate is an important question --- too important to ignore. However it
has now become a media free-for-all and a political issue more than a
scientific problem.

What a change from 1968 when I gave a paper at a national scientific
meeting2 and was laughed at for suggesting that people could possibly
change the climate!

---------------------------------------------------------

1 Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography and of Environmental

Studies. Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research, The Gaylord
Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies (Founding Director), the
University of Wisconsin, Madison.

2 AAAS Conference in Houston, TX, 1968, organized by SFS and published
as "Global Effects of Environmental Pollution" (S F Singer, editor,
published by Reidel Publishing Company, Dordrecht)"

Ref: Bryson, Reid A., 2004. Global Warming? Some common sense thoughts.
This Week That Was March 20, 2004,

from: http://ccr.aos.wisc.edu/publications/CCR_849.pdf

The Faithful Heretic

A Wisconsin Icon Pursues Tough Questions

Some people are lucky enough to enjoy their work, some are lucky enough
to love it, and then there's Reid Bryson. At age 86, he's still hard at
it every day, delving into the science some say he invented.

Reid A. Bryson holds the 30th PhD in Meteorology granted in the history
of American education. Emeritus Professor and founding chairman of the
University of Wisconsin Department of Meteorology-now the Department of
Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences-in the 1970s he became the first
director of what's now the UW's Gaylord Nelson Institute of
Environmental Studies. He's a member of the United Nations Global 500
Roll of Honor-created, the U.N. says, to recognize "outstanding
achievements in the protection and improvement of the environment." He
has authored five books and more than 230 other publications and was
identified by the British Institute of Geographers as the most
frequently cited climatologist in the world.

Long ago in the Army Air Corps, Bryson and a colleague prepared the
aviation weather forecast that predicted discovery of the jet stream by
a group of B-29s flying to and from Tokyo. Their warning to expect
westerly winds at 168 knots earned Bryson and his friend a chewing out
from a general-and the general's apology the next day when he learned
they were right. Bryson flew into a couple of typhoons in 1944, three
years before the Weather Service officially did such things, and he
prepared the forecast for the homeward flight of the Enola Gay. Back in
Wisconsin, he built a program at the UW that's trained some of the
nation's leading climatologists.

Read more at: http://www.wecnmagazine.com/2007issues/may/may07.html

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

". researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany
report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years,
accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over
the last 100 years."
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175

Robert Blass

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:02 am

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:55:32 -0400, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> sayd the following:

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"Robert Blass" <blame@messenger.xcx> wrote
The OPENING SCENE in gore's movie is the scene from the movie The Day
after Tomorrow, the hollywood computer generated scene of glaciers
melting off into the sea.

Nope. The opening scene is a pan right from a tree to a river with a
voice over from Gore talking about be beauty of the river and of nature.

Blass is a bad liar, and has never seen the Documentary.

DOZENS of scenes in Gore's 'movie' are scenes directly from the movie
'the day after tomorrow'

Even the Gore people admit this as a fact.

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