"George Hammond" <Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:25:37 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Apr 20, 9:53 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist



reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Hammond]
Fact is, the "Anthropic Principle" simply says:
"observables exist because observers exist". After all, it
doesn't take rocket science to figure out that if there was
no such thing as an observer, then there would be no such
thing as observables; since the testimony of observers is
the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist.

[Immortalist]
If a system observable is a property of the system state that can be
determined by some sequence of physical operations and if there was no
such thing as an observer, then it is not determined that there would
or would not be such things as observables even if the testimony of
observers is the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist since
whether there is or is not someone existing doesn't determine
determinability and the possibility of abstract thought processes
whether they exist or not.

[Hammond]
Immortalist, thanks for your refreshing post. Out of 11
posts to this target article so far, you are the ONLY ONE
who has attempted to say something on topic. However, you
have COIMPLETELY missed the point!
You have FAILED to distinguish between two fundamentally
DIFFERENT cases:

CASE 1:
If I turn my back and look the other way,
does the Moon still exist?
(correct answer, YES)

CASE 2:
If the human race never existed or became
totally EXTINCT, would the Moon "exist".
(correct answer, NO)


[Immortalist]
Case two depends upon how you are defining "exist"


[Hammond]
NO KIDDING, Sherlock! Can't you get it through your head
that "exist" is, and ONLY is, absolutely defined as: "A
human opinion based on sensory perception". There is no
OTHER definition of the word "exists".


Wrong again, shit for brains!


[Shithead Heckler]
"Dictionary.com Unabridged: exist

-verb (used without object) 1. to have actual being

[GH]: Only a human can confirm the existence of anything.

2. to have life or animation; live.

[GH]: Only a human can confirm that life exists

3. to continue to be or live

[GH]: Only a human can confirm that life exists

4. to have being in a specified place or under certain conditions; be
found; occur: Hunger exists in many parts of the world.

[GH]: Only a human can confirm that hunger or anything else

5. to achieve the basic needs of existence, as food and shelter: He's
not living, he's merely existing.

[GH]: Only a human observer can confirm that anything is

You're a numb shithead.

George Hammond wrote:

13-2nd order factors = 13 Olympian gods of the
Greco-Roman Pantheon

Which god crashed the Dodekatheon?


[Hammond]

Michael Moroney wrote:
Which god crashed the Dodekatheon?

Demeter, Dionysus, Hades, and Hestia variously seem to vie for the
eleventh and twelfth spots. Maybe three of them beat the other into a
thirteenth chair.

¬R


[Hammond]

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:41:52 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond wrote:

13-2nd order factors = 13 Olympian gods of the
Greco-Roman Pantheon

Which god crashed the Dodekatheon?


Modern Science (HAMMOND, 2003) has discovered the origin
of the ancient Greek DODEKATHEON (The 12 Olympian gods).

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:32:50 GMT, "John Smith"
bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:


"George Hammond" <Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:25:37 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Apr 20, 9:53 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist



reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Hammond]
Fact is, the "Anthropic Principle" simply says:
"observables exist because observers exist". After all, it
doesn't take rocket science to figure out that if there was
no such thing as an observer, then there would be no such
thing as observables; since the testimony of observers is
the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist.

[Immortalist]
If a system observable is a property of the system state that can be
determined by some sequence of physical operations and if there was
no
such thing as an observer, then it is not determined that there would
or would not be such things as observables even if the testimony of
observers is the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist since
whether there is or is not someone existing doesn't determine
determinability and the possibility of abstract thought processes
whether they exist or not.

[Hammond]
Immortalist, thanks for your refreshing post. Out of 11
posts to this target article so far, you are the ONLY ONE
who has attempted to say something on topic. However, you
have COIMPLETELY missed the point!
You have FAILED to distinguish between two fundamentally
DIFFERENT cases:

CASE 1:
If I turn my back and look the other way,
does the Moon still exist?
(correct answer, YES)

CASE 2:
If the human race never existed or became
totally EXTINCT, would the Moon "exist".
(correct answer, NO)


[Immortalist]
Case two depends upon how you are defining "exist"


[Hammond]
NO KIDDING, Sherlock! Can't you get it through your head
that "exist" is, and ONLY is, absolutely defined as: "A
human opinion based on sensory perception". There is no
OTHER definition of the word "exists".


Wrong again, shit for brains!


[Shithead Heckler]
"Dictionary.com Unabridged: exist

-verb (used without object) 1. to have actual being

[GH]: Only a human can confirm the existence of anything.

2. to have life or animation; live.

[GH]: Only a human can confirm that life exists

3. to continue to be or live

[GH]: Only a human can confirm that life exists

4. to have being in a specified place or under certain conditions;
be
found; occur: Hunger exists in many parts of the world.

[GH]: Only a human can confirm that hunger or anything else
in the world, including the world, exists

5. to achieve the basic needs of existence, as food and shelter:
He's
not living, he's merely existing.

[GH]: Only a human observer can confirm that anything is
" existing".

You're a numb shithead.

"George Hammond" <Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:32:50 GMT, "John Smith"
bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:


"George Hammond" <Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:25:37 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Apr 20, 9:53 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist



reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Hammond]
Fact is, the "Anthropic Principle" simply says:
"observables exist because observers exist". After all, it
doesn't take rocket science to figure out that if there was
no such thing as an observer, then there would be no such
thing as observables; since the testimony of observers is
the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist.

[Immortalist]
If a system observable is a property of the system state that can be
determined by some sequence of physical operations and if there was
no
such thing as an observer, then it is not determined that there would
or would not be such things as observables even if the testimony of
observers is the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist since
whether there is or is not someone existing doesn't determine
determinability and the possibility of abstract thought processes
whether they exist or not.

[Hammond]
Immortalist, thanks for your refreshing post. Out of 11
posts to this target article so far, you are the ONLY ONE
who has attempted to say something on topic. However, you
have COIMPLETELY missed the point!
You have FAILED to distinguish between two fundamentally
DIFFERENT cases:

CASE 1:
If I turn my back and look the other way,
does the Moon still exist?
(correct answer, YES)

CASE 2:
If the human race never existed or became
totally EXTINCT, would the Moon "exist".
(correct answer, NO)


[Immortalist]
Case two depends upon how you are defining "exist"


[Hammond]
NO KIDDING, Sherlock! Can't you get it through your head
that "exist" is, and ONLY is, absolutely defined as: "A
human opinion based on sensory perception". There is no
OTHER definition of the word "exists".


Wrong again, shit for brains!


[Shithead Heckler]
"Dictionary.com Unabridged: exist

-verb (used without object) 1. to have actual being

[GH]: Only a human can confirm the existence of anything.

Wrong again, shit for brains!
Humans can ONLY confirm to the standards and mores of other humans. That is
NOT the same as confirming actual existance!


[Hammond]

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:38:51 GMT, "John Smith"
bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Hammond]
We're discussing the case of NO PEOPLE, we're talking
about the case when there are NO PEOPLE AT ALL. Then you
tell me; if there are NO PEOPLE AT ALL; how would you
confirm that anything "existed"? Shithead!

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:06:21 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

Modern Science (HAMMOND, 2003) has discovered the origin
of the ancient Greek DODEKATHEON (The 12 Olympian gods).

You can't very well claim that the number 13 is somehow
special to religions because the Greeks had 12 gods in
their dodekatheon, now can you? The membership varied
but the membership was always limited to 12. Look at the
word itself - DODEKAtheon!

The Egyptian pantheon had approximetely a dozen demigods.

The Roman Pantheon had approximately a dozen demigods and

the Greek Pantheon had approximately a dozen demigods, and

the REASON for this is that there are PRECISELY 13 SYMMETRY
AXES IN A CUBE.

SCIENTIFICALLY,

there are exactly 13 "demigods" in Religion.

The ancient GREEKS were actually one god short. 7%
accuracy was good enough in their day.... modern science
requires greater accuracy, so 13 is the correct number of
demigods.

"George Hammond" <Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:38:51 GMT, "John Smith"
bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Hammond]
We're discussing the case of NO PEOPLE, we're talking
about the case when there are NO PEOPLE AT ALL. Then you
tell me; if there are NO PEOPLE AT ALL; how would you
confirm that anything "existed"? Shithead!


But NOT falling into a trap of arrogant ignorance - that mankind is needed
for everything.

[Hammond]

How can YOU claim that NOTHING exists - under those same circumstances -
shithead?


[Hammond]

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:25:37 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Apr 20, 9:53 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist



reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Hammond]
Fact is, the "Anthropic Principle" simply says:
"observables exist because observers exist". After all, it
doesn't take rocket science to figure out that if there was
no such thing as an observer, then there would be no such
thing as observables; since the testimony of observers is
the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist.

[Immortalist]
If a system observable is a property of the system state that can be
determined by some sequence of physical operations and if there was no
such thing as an observer, then it is not determined that there would
or would not be such things as observables even if the testimony of
observers is the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist since
whether there is or is not someone existing doesn't determine
determinability and the possibility of abstract thought processes
whether they exist or not.

[Hammond]
Immortalist, thanks for your refreshing post. Out of 11
posts to this target article so far, you are the ONLY ONE
who has attempted to say something on topic. However, you
have COIMPLETELY missed the point!
You have FAILED to distinguish between two fundamentally
DIFFERENT cases:

CASE 1:
If I turn my back and look the other way,
does the Moon still exist?
(correct answer, YES)

CASE 2:
If the human race never existed or became
totally EXTINCT, would the Moon "exist".
(correct answer, NO)


[Immortalist]
Case two depends upon how you are defining "exist"


[Hammond]
NO KIDDING, Sherlock! Can't you get it through your head
that "exist" is, and ONLY is, absolutely defined as: "A
human opinion based on sensory perception".

OTHER definition of the word "exists". Ergo, if there are
no humans, then there is no "existence" of anything.
Physics cannot "define" mass, length and time. What is
done is that someone holds up a brass cylinder, a platinum
rod and a cesium clock and says to the assembled human race:
"Do you all agree that these 3 objects are specimens of what
we commonly called mass, length and time", and when the
majority yells back enthusiastically, "Yea", then it becomes
established official convention that those 3 objects are the
"official standards of mass, length and time" upon which the
entire edifice of Science, Physics, technology, economics
and indeed civilization itself is then erected.
Obviously then, the existence of reality itself
(spacetime) is nothing more than a "Human sense perception",
and equally obviously, if Man did not exist, then reality
itself would not exist. That's hardly rocket science!

George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:41:52 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond wrote:

13-2nd order factors = 13 Olympian gods of the
Greco-Roman Pantheon

Which god crashed the Dodekatheon?


Modern Science (HAMMOND, 2003) has discovered the origin
of the ancient Greek DODEKATHEON (The 12 Olympian gods).

You can't very well claim that the number 13 is somehow
special to religions because the Greeks had 12 gods in
their dodekatheon, now can you? The membership varied
but the membership was always limited to 12. Look at the
word itself - DODEKAtheon!

SNIP ignorant twaddle


[Hammond]

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:45:57 GMT, "John Smith"
bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:


"George Hammond" <Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote in message
news:1cjs045218rsaronrckdrsaml5tef9m7qd@4ax.com...
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:38:51 GMT, "John Smith"
bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Hammond]
We're discussing the case of NO PEOPLE, we're talking
about the case when there are NO PEOPLE AT ALL. Then you
tell me; if there are NO PEOPLE AT ALL; how would you
confirm that anything "existed"? Shithead!


But NOT falling into a trap of arrogant ignorance - that mankind is needed
for everything.

[Hammond]
Mankind IS EVERYTHING.....

because you fail to reach your full height and weight, YOU
LOSE AN EQUAL PERCENTAGE OF REALITY!
In fact, if the whole human race disappears, Reality
itself disappears along with us.

How can YOU claim that NOTHING exists - under those same circumstances -
shithead?


[Hammond]
I can't even make sense out ot that statement.

You're starting to get incoherent.... don't go hysterical
on us just because you're getting your ass kicked.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:08:04 -0700, none <""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:54:57 -0700, none <""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:50:51 -0400, Mani Deli
nothing@inter.com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:14:36 GMT, George Hammond
Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:28:30 GMT, George Hammond
Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote:
What Science DOESN'T KNOW is that the Anthropic Principle
was actually discovered thousands of years ago by Religion.
Religion never discovered anything.

[Hammond]
Horse's ass; who do you think discovered God?
Good point in that hundreds of religions have discovered their
gods although it looks like all of them existed before and
after that "discovery". You should be more specific when you
are specifying which god it is you believe in. Greek, Roman,
Zoroastrian, Norse etc. There are so many to choose from.


[Hammond]
You haven't even read the website and don't know what
you're talking about. The SPOG proves that there are:

30-1st order factors = 30 demigods of the Hindu and
ancient religions
13-2nd order factors = 13 Olympian gods of the
Greco-Roman Pantheon
4-3rd order factors = 4 Gospel Saints of Christianity:
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
1-4th order factor = The God of Monotheism: God,
Allah, Yahweh, Vishnu, etc.

The SPOG explains and proves ALL RELIGIONS.
=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
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[Doug]
It is pretty clear that you are the one who does not know what he
is talking about. You are ignoring most of the world's religions
and picking a few that you think fit your misguided idea of what
a proof is. You have left out millions of Hindu gods, millions
of Mormon gods, all the Egyptian gods, the earth goddesses,
Mithras (this is where your christian god was stolen from), the
Norse gods and the American Indian gods.



[Hammond]
You're full of it. There is no such thing as any
recognized religion which claims either in it's written
canon or oral tradition that there are "millions of gods".
That's ignorant atheistic propaganda without one shred of
evidentiary support. The claim is illogical ignorance
commonlyu spewed byamateur atheists in college dormitory
bull sessions.
So claiming there are many gods is done by atheists? That

The SPOG of course identifies and scientifically explains
the entire Egyptian pantheon... the 13 gods of the Egyption
pantheon are the 13 cubically intercorrelated 2nd order
Factors (eigenvectors) of Psychometry (psychometrics). They
are (scientificfally) identical to the 13 Greco-Roman
"Olympian gods".
So you can prove the existence of any set of false gods but

Again... you don't know what you're talking about.

=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================