On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:33:12 -0700, none <""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:



SNIP AMATEUR ATHISTIC RANT

[Hammond]
Look lame brain, I don't have time to sit here and argue
amateur philosophy with an aggravated atheist and
scientific incompetent.

BECAUSE the SPOG is not based on "philosophy".... that's
just conversational material for Usenet amateurs.

What YOU are guilty of (if you are a physics PhD, which I
seriously doubt) is IGNORING the hard scientific discovery
that Hammond has made (and peer published); that:

The entire Factor Analytic structure of Psychometry
is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to the 4x4 matrix structure of
Linearized Gravity in Relativity. CAUSALLY IDENTICAL!
Thus proving that Psychometry is governed by the same
Field Equation as General Relativity but with a
different source term, so that:

God = G_uv = A curvature of subjective spacetime

You have not even begun to prove this. You have strung

For a horse's ass of a PhD physicist (claimant) to come
in here where physics amateurs are only able to jawbone
about the elementary (and ancient!) philosophical foundation
of the phenomena, and DELIBERATELY IGNORE the stunning
scientific discovery of the CURVATURE OF REALITY that proves
"God" exists, is less than unethical and despicable, it's
very near criminal.

Believe me, unless you can get up to speed and start
talking hard science... I have no intention of flattering an
ignorant asshole like you by sitting here and talking
amateur Philosophy with you. Unlike you, I have better
things to do.

=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:33:58 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:53:59 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:
George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:
2. I'm a graduate physicist.
[Michael Moroney chronic heckler]
I would certainly hope you'd know what the Scientific Method is, if this
was actually true.
CURRICULUM VITAE
[Michael Moroney chronic heckler]
[snip irrelevant CV]

We're discussing the scientific method, not your CV. Do you even know
what the scientific method is?



[Hammond]
Are you shittin me Moroney..?

CURRICULUM VITAE

GEORGE HAMMOND

B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

Peer reviewed publications:

Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/cart.html

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/Hammond5s1.html

=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

[Hammond]
Ok..... what is your "opinion" of a religious belief in
"God"? A short answer would be appreciated. Do you believe
there is such a thing as a "scientific proof of God"?


[John Smith, antiSPOG activist]
My religious beliefs are not up for discussion.


[Hammond]

[John Smith, antiSPOG activist]
There IS no "scientific proof of god".
That is merely the product of an insane, fraudulent, ranting, psychotic
lunatic ............. YOU!

=====================================

SNIP RANT


[Hammond]

"George Hammond" <Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote in message
news:0hrh145b0inoirf729rc97bmqjakhdlg2f@4ax.com...
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:33:58 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:53:59 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:

2. I'm a graduate physicist.

[Michael Moroney chronic heckler]
I would certainly hope you'd know what the Scientific Method is, if
this
was actually true.

CURRICULUM VITAE

[Michael Moroney chronic heckler]
[snip irrelevant CV]

We're discussing the scientific method, not your CV. Do you even know
what the scientific method is?



[Hammond]
Are you shittin me Moroney..?

CURRICULUM VITAE

GEORGE HAMMOND

B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

Peer reviewed publications:

Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/cart.html

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/Hammond5s1.html


The Noetic Journal sounds exactly like a religious fanatics bellowing -
saying science does not get into the realm of whatever THEY want to study -
so they demean science, and pretend their "expansion" IS real science.
Their "peer review", then, would be excatly like one Roman Catholic priests
judging the believes and statements of another Roman Catholic priest.

George wouldn't know a real peer reviewed scientific journal if one was
shoved up his ass.


[Hammond]

SNIP RANT


[Hammond]

On Thu, 01 May 2008 02:20:22 GMT, "John Smith"
bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:



[Hammond]
Ok..... what is your "opinion" of a religious belief in
"God"? A short answer would be appreciated. Do you believe
there is such a thing as a "scientific proof of God"?


[John Smith, antiSPOG activist]
My religious beliefs are not up for discussion.


[Hammond]
The religious beliefs of anyone who is irrationally
opposed to the discovery of a scientific proof of God are de
facto of interest if he is posting a tirade of ad hominem
remarks such as the following:.

[John Smith, antiSPOG activist]
There IS no "scientific proof of god".
That is merely the product of an insane, fraudulent, ranting, psychotic
lunatic ............. YOU!

=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

On Thu, 01 May 2008 02:17:01 GMT, "John Smith"
bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:


"George Hammond" <Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote in message
news:0hrh145b0inoirf729rc97bmqjakhdlg2f@4ax.com...
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:33:58 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:53:59 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:

2. I'm a graduate physicist.

[Michael Moroney chronic heckler]
I would certainly hope you'd know what the Scientific Method is, if
this
was actually true.

CURRICULUM VITAE

[Michael Moroney chronic heckler]
[snip irrelevant CV]

We're discussing the scientific method, not your CV. Do you even know
what the scientific method is?



[Hammond]
Are you shittin me Moroney..?

CURRICULUM VITAE

GEORGE HAMMOND

B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

Peer reviewed publications:

Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/cart.html

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/Hammond5s1.html


The Noetic Journal sounds exactly like a religious fanatics bellowing -
saying science does not get into the realm of whatever THEY want to
study -
so they demean science, and pretend their "expansion" IS real science.
Their "peer review", then, would be excatly like one Roman Catholic
priests
judging the believes and statements of another Roman Catholic priest.

George wouldn't know a real peer reviewed scientific journal if one was
shoved up his ass.


[Hammond]
Many internationally known physicists and scientists have
published in the journal, including Rupert Sheldrake, Henry
Stapp, Karl Pribram, Richard Amoroso and others, and there
are 10 internationally known physicists on the editorial
board.

On 30 Apr, 22:49, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:42:57 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse



roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 29 Apr, 08:19, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
("4-demigods") Matt, Mark, Luke and John.

[Roger Pearse]
These last four are the books chosen by the council ofNicea
to be in the New Testament.  

The Council of Nicaea did not determine the content of scripture.  The
4 gospels are considered canonical by all the ante-Nicene fathers,
right back as far as it goes.

[Hammond]
   The 4-Gospel canon "emerged" from hitory thru wide
circulation as a "popular convention"; true Ireanus, Bishop
of Lyon put the final stamp of approval on it when he edited
the NT:

  "But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either
   more or fewer in number than they are. For since there
   are four zones of the world in which we live, and four
   principal winds, while the church has been scattered
   throughout the world, and since the "pillar and ground"
   of the church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is
   fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing
   incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh.
                (Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon ca. 150ad)


In fairness, we don't actually *know* for certain how the 4 gospels
came to be generally accepted during the late first/early second
century; we just find that they are, as soon as the subject comes up.
Irenaeus takes it for granted, and we should remember he was taught by
the apostle John's disciple Polycarp, so knew a whole lot more about
the apostles than we do.

All the best,

Roger Pearse



[Hammond]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:33:58 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:53:59 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:

2. I'm a graduate physicist.

I would certainly hope you'd know what the Scientific Method is, if this
was actually true.

[snip irrelevant CV]

We're discussing the scientific method, not your CV. Do you even know
what the scientific method is?

Are you shittin me Moroney..?

George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:33:58 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

I would certainly hope you'd know what the Scientific Method is, if this
was actually true.
CURRICULUM VITAE

[snip irrelevant CV]

We're discussing the scientific method, not your CV. Do you even know
what the scientific method is?

Are you shittin me Moroney..?

CURRICULUM VITAE

If you cannot answer the question, just say so. He asked
a question and you posted your CV. He did not ask for your
CV, he asked if you understood the scientific method. It
was, however, a rhetorical question since it is clear you
do not understand it. Hints: bluster and swearing are not
part of it. You can look up the rest.

"George Hammond" <Nowhere1@notspam.org> wrote in message
news:b4ii14t74tg3k5760a9jqp381b833cornk@4ax.com...
On Thu, 01 May 2008 02:20:22 GMT, "John Smith"
bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:



[Hammond]
Ok..... what is your "opinion" of a religious belief in
"God"? A short answer would be appreciated. Do you believe
there is such a thing as a "scientific proof of God"?


[John Smith, antiSPOG activist]
My religious beliefs are not up for discussion.


[Hammond]
The religious beliefs of anyone who is irrationally
opposed to the discovery of a scientific proof of God are de
facto of interest if he is posting a tirade of ad hominem
remarks such as the following:.


[John Smith, antiSPOG critic]
Were such scientific proof "discovered", I would be as interested in it as
anyone else.


[Hammond]

snip crap

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:29:12 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse
roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr, 22:49, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:42:57 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse

roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 29 Apr, 08:19, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
("4-demigods") Matt, Mark, Luke and John.

[Roger Pearse]
These last four are the books chosen by the council ofNicea
to be in the New Testament.  

The Council of Nicaea did not determine the content of scripture.  The
4 gospels are considered canonical by all the ante-Nicene fathers,
right back as far as it goes.

[Hammond]
   The 4-Gospel canon "emerged" from hitory thru wide
circulation as a "popular convention"; true Ireanus, Bishop
of Lyon put the final stamp of approval on it when he edited
the NT:

  "But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either
   more or fewer in number than they are. For since there
   are four zones of the world in which we live, and four
   principal winds, while the church has been scattered
   throughout the world, and since the "pillar and ground"
   of the church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is
   fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing
   incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh.
                (Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon ca. 150ad)

In fairness, we don't actually *know* for certain how the 4 gospels
came to be generally accepted during the late first/early second
century; we just find that they are, as soon as the subject comes up.
Irenaeus takes it for granted, and we should remember he was taught by
the apostle John's disciple Polycarp, so knew a whole lot more about
the apostles than we do.

[Hammond]
   In all fairness, what you have stated is prevailing
wisdom as of 2008 ad.

On Thu, 1 May 2008 12:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond <Nowhere1@notspam.org> writes:

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:33:58 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

We're discussing the scientific method, not your CV. Do you even know
what the scientific method is?

Are you shittin me Moroney..?

I take that non-answer as "no, I don't." Which is what I thought.

Since anyone who is certified as having two graduate
degrees in Physics obviously knows what the scientific
method is, your post is nothing but atheistic heckling. Get
off this thread. My CV is a matter of public record and has
been posted many times on this thread and is conspicously
posted on my website.

On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:42:17 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse

roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On 1 May, 08:51, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:29:12 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse
roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr, 22:49, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:42:57 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse

roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 29 Apr, 08:19, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
("4-demigods") Matt, Mark, Luke and John.

[Roger Pearse]
These last four are the books chosen by the council ofNicea
to be in the New Testament.  

The Council of Nicaea did not determine the content of scripture.  The
4 gospels are considered canonical by all the ante-Nicene fathers,
right back as far as it goes.

[Hammond]
   The 4-Gospel canon "emerged" from hitory thru wide
circulation as a "popular convention"; true Ireanus, Bishop
of Lyon put the final stamp of approval on it when he edited
the NT:

  "But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either
   more or fewer in number than they are. For since there
   are four zones of the world in which we live, and four
   principal winds, while the church has been scattered
   throughout the world, and since the "pillar and ground"
   of the church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is
   fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing
   incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh.
                (Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon ca. 150ad)

In fairness, we don't actually *know* for certain how the 4 gospels
came to be generally accepted during the late first/early second
century; we just find that they are, as soon as the subject comes up.
Irenaeus takes it for granted, and we should remember he was taught by
the apostle John's disciple Polycarp, so knew a whole lot more about
the apostles than we do.

[Hammond]
   In all fairness, what you have stated is prevailing
wisdom as of 2008 ad.

[Roger Pearse]
I believe so.

[Hammond]
   Actually I was being charitable, having forgot that on
Usenet to give them an inch is to give them a mile.
   To be quite accurate, the history of the emergence of the
4-Gospel Canon is quite well known and not considered a
mystery as you suggest, so that your statement:

         "....we don't actually *know* for certain how
          the 4 gospels came to be generally accepted
          during the late first/early second century..."

is actually an erroneous gloss.   Fact is, it is well known
how the 4-Gospels came into being in 1-2 ad since Irenaeus
has left a 2nd century account of the matter in his famous
book  _Against Heresies_, (c 180).