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| Sanny |
 Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:20 am |
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Ether is something present everywhere
Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
What is refractive index of Ether?
If Ether is present everywhere What is it made up of.
IS Ether filling the Gap between Nuclie & Electrons?
Is Ether Mass Less
Does Ether has a Volume
When a Mass moves arround Ether does Ether produce any Resistance
Is it simmilar to the Water in Ocean Or Air on Earth So that the
Fishes cannot feel the Water and we Cannot see the Air though it is
present every where?
Is Ether also present in Vaccume.
What are the Laws that say Ether Exists.
And Which Laws say Ether do not Exist.
Is there any Experiment to show Ether is present in World.
If Ether is removed from a place will the Light Stop. Just Like Sound
travels from medium. But Sound do not travel in Vaccum. Simmilarly
will the Light Stop when Ether is not Present?
Bye
Sanny
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| Igor |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:41 am |
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| Ether is a flammable hydrocarbon gas. |
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| xxein |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:45 am |
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On Apr 20, 11:24 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: Sanny wrote:
Ether is something present everywhere
Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
Those are aspects of ether that the ancient (pre 1905) ether theories
had. Modern attempts at ether theories usually have them. The second is
the defining characteristic of ether, so it is true in all ether theories.
What is refractive index of Ether?
If Ether is present everywhere What is it made up of.
No ether theory has ever said what it is, other than saying "ether"
(which is of course no explanation at all). Refractive index does not
apply to the ether of any ether theory with which I am familiar.
IS Ether filling the Gap between Nuclie & Electrons?
It must be, if light is truly an electromagnetic phenomena and if the
atomic theory is valid. Note that these two statements are among the
best-tested statements in science. Note that particulate ether advocates
would say that there is ether present, but it is not "filling" that gap.
What are the Laws that say Ether Exists.
And Which Laws say Ether do not Exist.
There are no relevant "laws". Rather there are models of the world, some
of which include ether and some of which don't. To date, the models that
include ether do not have any direct experimental support for the notion
that ether exists (i.e. nobody has ever isolated the ether and measured
ANY property of it). The best model we have today do not include any
ether: QED. It also has a wider domain of applicability than the current
best ether theories -- it "just so happens" that the best ether theories
are experimentally indistinguishable from classical electrodynamics
(which includes SR), which makes it completely impossible to find any
experimental support for the existence of their ether. In addition, to
date nobody has explained any quantum phenomena with ether, which is a
BIG reason why such theories are not studied actively by mainstream
scientists. There are a handful of ether advocates today who press on
trying to develop an ether theory that meets modern standards, but to
date none of them have been successful in convincing the physics
community of anything.
Is there any Experiment to show Ether is present in World.
No.
If Ether is removed from a place will the Light Stop.
In most if not all ether theories it is impossible to "remove" the ether
form any place.
One aspect of most ether theories that makes them extremely difficult
for physicists to consider is the fact that their advocates have almost
no knowledge of modern theoretical or experimental physics, and they
consequently write enormous amounts of nonsense. There are one or two
exceptions to this, but for the most part ether advocates are hopelessly
naive.
Tom Roberts
xxein: Show me gravity in QED. |
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| Robert J. Kolker |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:51 am |
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Sanny wrote:
Quote: Ether is something present everywhere
There is no aether.
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Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
Photons travel through empty space. No medium is necessary.
Bob Kolker |
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| Tom Roberts |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:24 am |
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Sanny wrote:
Quote: Ether is something present everywhere
Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
Those are aspects of ether that the ancient (pre 1905) ether theories
had. Modern attempts at ether theories usually have them. The second is
the defining characteristic of ether, so it is true in all ether theories.
Quote: What is refractive index of Ether?
If Ether is present everywhere What is it made up of.
No ether theory has ever said what it is, other than saying "ether"
(which is of course no explanation at all). Refractive index does not
apply to the ether of any ether theory with which I am familiar.
Quote: IS Ether filling the Gap between Nuclie & Electrons?
It must be, if light is truly an electromagnetic phenomena and if the
atomic theory is valid. Note that these two statements are among the
best-tested statements in science. Note that particulate ether advocates
would say that there is ether present, but it is not "filling" that gap.
Quote: What are the Laws that say Ether Exists.
And Which Laws say Ether do not Exist.
There are no relevant "laws". Rather there are models of the world, some
of which include ether and some of which don't. To date, the models that
include ether do not have any direct experimental support for the notion
that ether exists (i.e. nobody has ever isolated the ether and measured
ANY property of it). The best model we have today do not include any
ether: QED. It also has a wider domain of applicability than the current
best ether theories -- it "just so happens" that the best ether theories
are experimentally indistinguishable from classical electrodynamics
(which includes SR), which makes it completely impossible to find any
experimental support for the existence of their ether. In addition, to
date nobody has explained any quantum phenomena with ether, which is a
BIG reason why such theories are not studied actively by mainstream
scientists. There are a handful of ether advocates today who press on
trying to develop an ether theory that meets modern standards, but to
date none of them have been successful in convincing the physics
community of anything.
Quote: Is there any Experiment to show Ether is present in World.
No.
Quote: If Ether is removed from a place will the Light Stop.
In most if not all ether theories it is impossible to "remove" the ether
form any place.
One aspect of most ether theories that makes them extremely difficult
for physicists to consider is the fact that their advocates have almost
no knowledge of modern theoretical or experimental physics, and they
consequently write enormous amounts of nonsense. There are one or two
exceptions to this, but for the most part ether advocates are hopelessly
naive.
Tom Roberts |
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| Paul Mays |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:40 am |
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"Sanny" <softtanks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:89752b6b-2663-4a3e-bb96-cd13a273c9f8@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Quote: Ether is something present everywhere
Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
What is refractive index of Ether?
If Ether is present everywhere What is it made up of.
IS Ether filling the Gap between Nuclie & Electrons?
Is Ether Mass Less
Does Ether has a Volume
When a Mass moves arround Ether does Ether produce any Resistance
Is it simmilar to the Water in Ocean Or Air on Earth So that the
Fishes cannot feel the Water and we Cannot see the Air though it is
present every where?
Is Ether also present in Vaccume.
What are the Laws that say Ether Exists.
And Which Laws say Ether do not Exist.
Is there any Experiment to show Ether is present in World.
If Ether is removed from a place will the Light Stop. Just Like Sound
travels from medium. But Sound do not travel in Vaccum. Simmilarly
will the Light Stop when Ether is not Present?
Bye
Sanny
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| Paul Mays |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:42 am |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <bobkolker@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Sanny wrote:
Ether is something present everywhere
There is no aether.
Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
Photons travel through empty space. No medium is necessary.
Bob Kolker
And the Earth is at the center of the Universe..
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I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation" |
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| Igor |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:11 am |
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On Apr 20, 1:56 pm, "Ptrezby" <slanie...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Quote: "Paul Mays" <Pa...@Mays.com> wrote in message
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"Igor" <thoov...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Ether is a flammable hydrocarbon gas.
Why didn't I say That.... Good catch..
You didn't say that because you knew that ether contains oxygen in the
molecule and therefore is not a hydrocarbon. And you knew that it may or may
not be a gas, depending on ambient conditions.
Aether is sumthin altogether different..
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I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"
For some reason I was thinking of ethane, rather than ether. |
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| Paul Mays |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:57 am |
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"Igor" <thoovler@excite.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Ether is a flammable hydrocarbon gas.
Why didn't I say That.... Good catch..
Aether is sumthin altogether different..
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http://fast.filespace.org/PaulRMays/Postulate.pdf
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Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation" |
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| Ptrezby |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:56 pm |
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"Paul Mays" <PaulR@Mays.com> wrote in message
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"Igor" <thoovler@excite.com> wrote in message
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Ether is a flammable hydrocarbon gas.
Why didn't I say That.... Good catch..
You didn't say that because you knew that ether contains oxygen in the
molecule and therefore is not a hydrocarbon. And you knew that it may or may
not be a gas, depending on ambient conditions.
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| Paul Mays |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:02 pm |
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http://fast.filespace.org/PaulRMays/Postulate.pdf
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Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"
"Ptrezby" <slanier01@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Paul Mays" <PaulR@Mays.com> wrote in message
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"Igor" <thoovler@excite.com> wrote in message
news:7edcea19-3605-403a-8de7-bf8bb581c93a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Ether is a flammable hydrocarbon gas.
Why didn't I say That.... Good catch..
You didn't say that because you knew that ether contains oxygen in the
molecule and therefore is not a hydrocarbon. And you knew that it may or
may
not be a gas, depending on ambient conditions.
Well yea..theres that too. I did also know that but wasn't being picky as
the concept was the meaty part.
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| Uncle Al |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:09 pm |
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| Mark Earnest |
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"Sanny" <softtanks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Ether is something present everywhere
Ether is the fluid like medium between heaven and earth,
which angels travel through by propelling angels' wings
there against.
It induces sleep, and whenever we sleep at night we
are part way into the ethereal plane. |
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| Robert J. Kolker |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:32 pm |
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Paul Mays wrote:
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And the Earth is at the center of the Universe..
Every point in the universe is at the center of the universe.
Look at the surface of a sphere. Which point upon it is the center of
the surface of the sphere. Every point.
Bob Kolker |
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| tadchem |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:40 pm |
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On Apr 20, 4:57 pm, "Paul Mays" <Pa...@Mays.com> wrote:
Quote: "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:a-CdnX-dt4MhNZbVnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@comcast.com...
Paul Mays wrote:
And the Earth is at the center of the Universe..
Every point in the universe is at the center of the universe.
Look at the surface of a sphere. Which point upon it is the center of
the surface of the sphere. Every point.
Bob Kolker
But there is a Center to the Sphere.. Not directly percievable by an
observer
within the Sphere... Now you address Intrinsic Bias and didn't even know
it......
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"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"
The 4-dimensional space-time coordinates of the Center of the Universe
are, approximately, Here(x), Here(y), Here(z), and 13.5GYa(t).
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