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| tadchem |
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:48 pm |
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On Apr 20, 1:56 pm, "Ptrezby" <slanie...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Quote: "Paul Mays" <Pa...@Mays.com> wrote in message
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"Igor" <thoov...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Ether is a flammable hydrocarbon gas.
Why didn't I say That.... Good catch..
You didn't say that because you knew that ether contains oxygen in the
molecule and therefore is not a hydrocarbon. And you knew that it may or may
not be a gas, depending on ambient conditions.
Aether is sumthin altogether different..
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Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"
"Petroleum ether" is a mixture of volatile hydrocarbons, usually
prepared by distillation from crude oil at temperatures from 20° C to
75° C -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_ether
In general "ether" applies to a class of carbon compounds in which two
carbon atoms are connected by a single oxygen atom -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether
Note the definition in Wiki suggests that the alkyl or aryl groups are
substituted. This is not necessarily the case. The simplest ether is
dimethyl ether, in which neither alkyl group has substitutents.
Tom Davidson
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| tadchem |
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:51 pm |
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On Apr 20, 4:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Quote: It induces sleep, and whenever we sleep at night we
are part way into the ethereal plane.
Didn't Wonder Woman fly around in one of those?
Tom Davidson
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| Saul Levy |
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:52 pm |
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It must be at the center according to the WartPiggies! They don't
believe there is any space travel. So WE are it! lmao!
Continue laughing AT them! lmao!
Saul Levy
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:42:25 -0400, "Paul Mays" <PaulR@Mays.com>
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>And the Earth is at the center of the Universe. |
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:57 pm |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <bobkolker@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Paul Mays wrote:
And the Earth is at the center of the Universe..
Every point in the universe is at the center of the universe.
Look at the surface of a sphere. Which point upon it is the center of
the surface of the sphere. Every point.
Bob Kolker
But there is a Center to the Sphere.. Not directly percievable by an
observer
within the Sphere... Now you address Intrinsic Bias and didn't even know
it......
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:47 pm |
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On Apr 20, 6:20 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Ether is something present everywhere
Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
What is refractive index of Ether?
If Ether is present everywhere What is it made up of.
IS Ether filling the Gap between Nuclie & Electrons?
Is Ether Mass Less
Does Ether has a Volume
When a Mass moves arround Ether does Ether produce any Resistance
Is it simmilar to the Water in Ocean Or Air on Earth So that the
Fishes cannot feel the Water and we Cannot see the Air though it is
present every where?
Is Ether also present in Vaccume.
What are the Laws that say Ether Exists.
And Which Laws say Ether do not Exist.
Is there any Experiment to show Ether is present in World.
If Ether is removed from a place will the Light Stop. Just Like Sound
travels from medium. But Sound do not travel in Vaccum. Simmilarly
will the Light Stop when Ether is not Present?
Bye
Sanny
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Einstein called it immaterial. Aether is massless.
Mitch Raemsch; falling light changes colour |
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| Yousuf Khan |
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:02 pm |
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Tom Roberts wrote:
Quote: Is there any Experiment to show Ether is present in World.
No.
If Ether is removed from a place will the Light Stop.
In most if not all ether theories it is impossible to "remove" the ether
form any place.
One aspect of most ether theories that makes them extremely difficult
for physicists to consider is the fact that their advocates have almost
no knowledge of modern theoretical or experimental physics, and they
consequently write enormous amounts of nonsense. There are one or two
exceptions to this, but for the most part ether advocates are hopelessly
naive.
For the vast majority of aether proponents, yes, that's an accurate
description, they do seem to be on the kooky side. But I doubt you can
say the same thing about Dr Hong Sheng Zhao, of the University of St.
Andrews. He's proposing a theory to unite Dark Matter and Energy into
one phenomenon known as Dark Fluid. His Dark Fluid would be a form of
energy that fills the Universe, acting like Dark Matter at the galactic
scales, and like Dark Energy at the cosmological scales. Dark Fluid
sounds suspiciously like Aether by another name.
Dark Matter and Dark Energy | Scientific Blogging
"The Swiss astronomer Fritz Zwicky is credited with the 1933 observation
that the universe and galaxies are held together by the gravitational
attraction of a huge amount of unseen material, now referred to as dark
matter, dark energy and dark fluid. But, the history of the aether goes
back many centuries before Zwicky. From the advent of Einstein’s Theory
of Relatively to Zwicky’s observation, not quite a generation later, the
aether seems to have been banned form scientific conversation, now it is
back but none dare call it the aether."
http://www.scientificblogging.com/recreational_number_theory/dark_matter_and_dark_energy
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| Saul Levy |
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:55 am |
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You really are a WACKO, Mark! lmao!
Saul Levy
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:22:37 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: "Sanny" <softtanks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ether is something present everywhere
Ether is the fluid like medium between heaven and earth,
which angels travel through by propelling angels' wings
there against.
It induces sleep, and whenever we sleep at night we
are part way into the ethereal plane. |
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| vps137 |
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:57 am |
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On 20 ÁÐÒ, 20:20, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's a good questaionaire
Quote: Ether is something present everywhere
No, there are void without ether
Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
True
What is refractive index of Ether?
Ether has no it
If Ether is present everywhere What is it made up of.
It made of tiny 4-dimensional particles, I named it apeirons.
IS Ether filling the Gap between Nuclie & Electrons?
No
Is Ether Mass Less
Ether itself has no mass
Does Ether has a Volume
Yes, it has 4-dimensional volume
When a Mass moves arround Ether does Ether produce any Resistance
"Mass" means 4-dimensional vortex (or vortices) and it doesn't produce
resistance.
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Is it simmilar to the Water in Ocean Or Air on Earth So that the
Fishes cannot feel the Water and we Cannot see the Air though it is
present every where?
Quite close metaphor
Is Ether also present in Vaccume.
Yes, if to mean under vacuum part of our Universe.
What are the Laws that say Ether Exists.
to be published
And Which Laws say Ether do not Exist.
it's a task of next century
Is there any Experiment to show Ether is present in World.
Just look around
If Ether is removed from a place will the Light Stop. Just Like Sound
travels from medium. But Sound do not travel in Vaccum. Simmilarly
will the Light Stop when Ether is not Present?
Yes
Bye
Sanny
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Valery S.
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| kenseto |
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:53 am |
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On Apr 20, 10:20 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Ether is something present everywhere
Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
Yes.
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What is refractive index of Ether?
If Ether is present everywhere What is it made up of.
The ether is called the E-Matrix and the E-Matrix is composed of
compressed E-Strings. These E-Strings are repulsive to each other and
the diameter of these E-Strings is estimated to be e-35 meter. A
photon is a wave packet in neighboring E-Strings traveling coherently
toward the target at a speed of c. For a complete description of the
the E-Matrix please read the paper entitled "Unifcation of Physics" in
ny website:
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/index.htm
Ken Seto
Quote: IS Ether filling the Gap between Nuclie & Electrons?
Is Ether Mass Less
Does Ether has a Volume
When a Mass moves arround Ether does Ether produce any Resistance
Is it simmilar to the Water in Ocean Or Air on Earth So that the
Fishes cannot feel the Water and we Cannot see the Air though it is
present every where?
Is Ether also present in Vaccume.
What are the Laws that say Ether Exists.
And Which Laws say Ether do not Exist.
Is there any Experiment to show Ether is present in World.
If Ether is removed from a place will the Light Stop. Just Like Sound
travels from medium. But Sound do not travel in Vaccum. Simmilarly
will the Light Stop when Ether is not Present?
Bye
Sanny
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| kenseto |
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:01 am |
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On Apr 20, 11:24 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: Sanny wrote:
Ether is something present everywhere
Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
Those are aspects of ether that the ancient (pre 1905) ether theories
had. Modern attempts at ether theories usually have them. The second is
the defining characteristic of ether, so it is true in all ether theories.
What is refractive index of Ether?
If Ether is present everywhere What is it made up of.
No ether theory has ever said what it is, other than saying "ether"
(which is of course no explanation at all). Refractive index does not
apply to the ether of any ether theory with which I am familiar.
Wrong my ether theory gives detail description what the ether is. A
description of my ether theory is available in the paper entitled
"Unifcation of Physics" in my website:
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/index.htm
Ken Seto
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IS Ether filling the Gap between Nuclie & Electrons?
It must be, if light is truly an electromagnetic phenomena and if the
atomic theory is valid. Note that these two statements are among the
best-tested statements in science. Note that particulate ether advocates
would say that there is ether present, but it is not "filling" that gap.
What are the Laws that say Ether Exists.
And Which Laws say Ether do not Exist.
There are no relevant "laws". Rather there are models of the world, some
of which include ether and some of which don't. To date, the models that
include ether do not have any direct experimental support for the notion
that ether exists (i.e. nobody has ever isolated the ether and measured
ANY property of it). The best model we have today do not include any
ether: QED. It also has a wider domain of applicability than the current
best ether theories -- it "just so happens" that the best ether theories
are experimentally indistinguishable from classical electrodynamics
(which includes SR), which makes it completely impossible to find any
experimental support for the existence of their ether. In addition, to
date nobody has explained any quantum phenomena with ether, which is a
BIG reason why such theories are not studied actively by mainstream
scientists. There are a handful of ether advocates today who press on
trying to develop an ether theory that meets modern standards, but to
date none of them have been successful in convincing the physics
community of anything.
Is there any Experiment to show Ether is present in World.
No.
If Ether is removed from a place will the Light Stop.
In most if not all ether theories it is impossible to "remove" the ether
form any place.
One aspect of most ether theories that makes them extremely difficult
for physicists to consider is the fact that their advocates have almost
no knowledge of modern theoretical or experimental physics, and they
consequently write enormous amounts of nonsense. There are one or two
exceptions to this, but for the most part ether advocates are hopelessly
naive.
Tom Roberts |
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| Errol |
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:22 am |
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On Apr 20, 4:51 pm, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Sanny wrote:
Ether is something present everywhere
There is no aether.
The aether will be unhappy to hear that
Not the 19th century aether in which matter is suspended within the
aether and seperate from it, but the Einsteinian concept in which
space/aether is the field from which particles are generated
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Ether is the medium on which Light Travels.
Photons travel through empty space. No medium is necessary.
Bob Kolker |
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:26 pm |
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Errol wrote:
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The aether will be unhappy to hear that
Not the 19th century aether in which matter is suspended within the
aether and seperate from it, but the Einsteinian concept in which
space/aether is the field from which particles are generated
If you call a tail a leg how many legs does a cat have? Answer: 4.
Calling a tail a leg does not make a tail into a let. Likewise calling
the spacetime manifold aether, does not make it into aether.
No aether. There is no space-time filling substance that is solid and
stiff like steel yet so rare it does not slow planets down in their orbits.
Bob Kolker |
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:05 pm |
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"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Quote: On Apr 20, 4:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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It induces sleep, and whenever we sleep at night we
are part way into the ethereal plane.
Didn't Wonder Woman fly around in one of those?
Sure she did. So did Spiderman.
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| oldcoot |
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:56 am |
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On Apr 21, 10:26 am, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
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There is no space-time filling substance that is solid and
stiff like steel yet so rare it does not slow planets down in their orbits..
Got a question that I've never heard adequately answered. The
existance of such a 'rigid lattice' medium was disproved conclusively
by the Michelson Morley experiment of 1887. So why was Einstein still
wholeheartedly endorsing it well into the 1920s? A case in point is
his famous University of Leyden lecture of 1920 wherein he
summarized :
"Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general
theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this
sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general
theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such
space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no
possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-
rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the
physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with
the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts
which may be tracked through time....
And concluded :
"The idea of motion may not be applied to it."
That last sentence shows his continuing affirmation of the Lorentzian
'rigid lattice' concept, which was finally abolished in the 1920s and
rightly so. But why was it still being endorsed for 35+ years even
though proven false? Enquiring minds would like to know. |
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| PD |
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:32 pm |
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On Apr 20, 9:20 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Ether is something present everywhere
Ith the day when the bunny cometh and hideth eggth all around the
houthe.
PD |
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