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| blackhead |
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What would be the properties of a cutting edge language if all the
best linguistists got together and created one?
Which language today most closely approaches this?
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| bulkington63 |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:55 am |
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On Apr 19, 8:15 am, blackhead <larryhar...@softhome.net> wrote:
Quote: What would be the properties of a cutting edge language if all the
best linguistists got together and created one?
Which language today most closely approaches this?
Thanks
What is a cutting edge language?
All languages are equally capable of expressing the speakers ideas. I
haven't seen any example of a created language that comes near to what
a 'natural' language can do (maybe esperanto).
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| Peter T. Daniels |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:18 am |
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On Apr 19, 9:15 am, blackhead <larryhar...@softhome.net> wrote:
Quote: What would be the properties of a cutting edge language if all the
best linguistists got together and created one?
Which language today most closely approaches this?
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| bulkington63 |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:19 am |
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On Apr 19, 9:22 am, Ruud Harmsen <realemailons...@rudhar.com.invalid>
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Quote: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:55:51 -0700 (PDT): bulkington63
john_66...@yahoo.com>: in sci.lang:
What is a cutting edge language?
All languages are equally capable of expressing the speakers ideas. I
haven't seen any example of a created language that comes near to what
a 'natural' language can do (maybe esperanto).
Esperanto can do more than natural languages. It can do different
things. It is a language it in its own right, not an imitation of
other languages.
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Ruud Harmsen http://rudhar.com
What can Esperanto do that other languages can't?
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| Ruud Harmsen |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:17 am |
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| Ruud Harmsen |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:22 am |
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Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:55:51 -0700 (PDT): bulkington63
<john_66044@yahoo.com>: in sci.lang:
Quote: What is a cutting edge language?
All languages are equally capable of expressing the speakers ideas. I
haven't seen any example of a created language that comes near to what
a 'natural' language can do (maybe esperanto).
Esperanto can do more than natural languages. It can do different
things. It is a language it in its own right, not an imitation of
other languages.
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Ruud Harmsen
http://rudhar.com |
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| Ruud Harmsen |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:28 am |
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| Harlan Messinger |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:54 am |
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Ruud Harmsen wrote:
Quote: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:55:51 -0700 (PDT): bulkington63
john_66044@yahoo.com>: in sci.lang:
What is a cutting edge language?
All languages are equally capable of expressing the speakers ideas. I
haven't seen any example of a created language that comes near to what
a 'natural' language can do (maybe esperanto).
Esperanto can do more than natural languages. It can do different
things. It is a language it in its own right, not an imitation of
other languages.
??!! It was consciously created with a vocabulary representing an
assortment of European languages and it was given a regularized grammar
consisting of paradigms also imported from a variety of European
languages, right down to the German accusative -n. By any definition of
"imitation", it most certainly is one. |
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| LEE Sau Dan |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:39 pm |
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Quote: "bulkington63" == bulkington63 <john_66044@yahoo.com> writes:
Esperanto can do more than natural languages. It can do
different things. It is a language it in its own right, not an
imitation of other languages. -- Ruud Harmsen
 http://rudhar.com
bulkington63> What can Esperanto do that other languages can't?
To _pretend_ to be just like any other naturally evolved language.
To _pretend_ to be a culturally neutral language.
To _pretend_ to be so easy to learn that native speakers won't speak
it more fluently and easily than people learning it as a second
language.
To _pretend_ to be completely specifiable by only 16 grammatical
rules.
etc.
;)
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| LEE Sau Dan |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:42 pm |
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Quote: "blackhead" == blackhead <larryharson@softhome.net> writes:
blackhead> What would be the properties of a cutting edge language
Could you first define what a "cutting edge language" means? I know
what "cutting edge" means when it is used to qualify "technology",
"invention", etc., not "language".
blackhead> if all the best linguistists got together and created
blackhead> one?
Why would they do that? Why would that interest them?
blackhead> Which language today most closely approaches this?
There is no answer to questions that are not well formulated.
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| Adam Funk |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:01 pm |
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On 2008-04-19, Harlan Messinger wrote:
Quote: Esperanto can do more than natural languages. It can do different
things. It is a language it in its own right, not an imitation of
other languages.
??!! It was consciously created with a vocabulary representing an
assortment of European languages and it was given a regularized grammar
consisting of paradigms also imported from a variety of European
languages, right down to the German accusative -n. By any definition of
"imitation", it most certainly is one.
I don't doubt that it can do what any natural language does, and that
it's easy to learn, but what "more" can it do that natural languages
can't?
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| Joachim Pense |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:22 pm |
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bulkington63 wrote:
Quote: All languages are equally capable of expressing the speakers ideas.
I still don't buy this linguist mantra.
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| Nathan Sanders |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:38 pm |
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In article <fudk76$eh8$02$1@news.t-online.com>,
Joachim Pense <snob@pense-mainz.eu> wrote:
Quote: bulkington63 wrote:
All languages are equally capable of expressing the speakers ideas.
I still don't buy this linguist mantra.
As long as a language has the ability to form circumlocutions and
neologisms (and I've never heard of a language like that), then why
wouldn't you buy it?
What sort of idea are you thinking of that a speaker would understand
but not be able to express in their native language?
Nathan
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Linguistics Program
Williams College
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| Peter T. Daniels |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:09 pm |
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On Apr 19, 11:06 pm, "dmitri mosier/iowa city, Iowa"
<drm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 19, 1:39 pm, LEE Sau Dan <dan...@informatik.uni-freiburg.de
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To _pretend_ to be completely specifiable by only 16 grammatical
rules.
Well............seems anti-Esperantists have their own little pet
myths.
And dimwits have never been exposed to Esperantist propaganda. |
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| Harlan Messinger |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:14 pm |
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Adam Funk wrote:
Quote: On 2008-04-19, Harlan Messinger wrote:
Esperanto can do more than natural languages. It can do different
things. It is a language it in its own right, not an imitation of
other languages.
??!! It was consciously created with a vocabulary representing an
assortment of European languages and it was given a regularized grammar
consisting of paradigms also imported from a variety of European
languages, right down to the German accusative -n. By any definition of
"imitation", it most certainly is one.
I don't doubt that it can do what any natural language does, and that
it's easy to learn, but what "more" can it do that natural languages
can't?
It slices, dices, and cleans baked-on grease in a snap. |
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