Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <4809641A.13D86A16@hovnanian.com>, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.
Well, I moved here because I like moderate weather. Its getting too
damned moderate for my liking.

1. Most of the regulars of this newsgroup are in the temperate zone. It
appears to me that this word works like the word "flammable". Flammable
means inflammable.

The temperate zone is where the weather has a temper!

2. Normal American weather (also applies to much of Canada) is to act
"normal" enough of the time to make us think that there is such a thing as
"normal American weather".

3. Most Americans are in the part of North America that gets wacky
weather - the part east of the Pacific Ocean.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

We have not had "Normal" weather in my part of the country for 15 years or more.
There are teenage children who have never experienced the type of winters we routinely used to experience. We used to number tens
of days of below zero temperatures in the winter. These are a rarity now. Outdoor ice rinks have trouble keeping ice in February.

This year was the exception to that trend however, in that is was cooler than the last 10, but nothing like the 60's. There was
period in January of 62 or 63, where the temperature never got above zero F for 21 days or so. If that happened now, we would think
the world was at an end.

Blakely LaCroix
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:25:24 +0200, Martin Griffith
mart_in_medina@yah00.es> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:19:50 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Jim
Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:02:33 +0200, Martin Griffith
mart_in_medina@yah00.es> wrote:
snip

Then come to California, the area west of the old Ponderosa. They are
still geting frost at night and it's end of April. We are still cranking
the wood stove and we aren't even up there but only 1400ft altitude.
This house used to be heated quite comfortably with 1.5 to 2 cords of
mixed wood. Now it's over 4 with hardwood, over 5 with pine. There ain't
nothing getting warmer out here.

In the mid-90's we used to sit on the deck in shorts and T-shirts by the
end of February. Now the wood stove is running full bore at that time.

Its the Jet Stream, obviously.....
http://www.ciw.edu/news/changing_jet_streams_may_alter_paths_storms_and_hurricanes


martin

It's a liberal/greenie religion thing... you must believe in global
warming as an act of faith ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Great Zeus.......
How dare you mix up greenyism and religion, greenyism has nothing to
do with H.Potter or other books of fantasy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk

probably won't work on Win 3.11 :)


martin

Sno-o-o-ort!

It really hasn't been that long since I was using WFWG 3.11

Back when Windows was actually a pretty good operating system ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Don Klipstein wrote:

In article <pan.2008.04.22.21.04.32.508955@example.net>, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

I remember when they thoroughly debunked the "global warming" myth back
in the 1970's.

Half the atmosphere's CO2 increase from pre-industrial times to 2004
occurred since about 1972-1973.

You may be referring to the fact that global temperatures were the same
in the late 1970's as in the very early 1930's. In the mid 1970's there
was a bit of talk about an ice age. Maybe all that soot, ash and sulfuric
acid aerosol that went into the air back in dirtier times was good for
something!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

There is actually some research done on that topic. Some scientists
noticed that evaporation rates were dropping (due to decreased solar
energy flux) rather than increasing (due to temp increases).

Their conclusion was that the increase in particulates at high altitudes
in the atmosphere were offsetting the effects of greenhouse gasses.

I don't think that the principles involved are bunk. Its just that we
haven't put together a decent model of how the climate works and without
it, we won't have a good idea about whether proposed solutions are just
money thrown down a rathole.

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

What a larf...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aU.evtnk6DPo&refer=worldwide

Since GW is not happening, the advocates are hedging their bets,
finding a reason to keep up the panic and the funding even if it
continues to cool off for another decade or so.


``Natural variations over the next 10 years might be heading in the
cold direction,'' Wood said. ``If you run the model long enough,
eventually global warming will win.''


John

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:25:22 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

What a larf...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aU.evtnk6DPo&refer=worldwide

Since GW is not happening, the advocates are hedging their bets,
finding a reason to keep up the panic and the funding even if it
continues to cool off for another decade or so.


``Natural variations over the next 10 years might be heading in the
cold direction,'' Wood said. ``If you run the model long enough,
eventually global warming will win.''


John


Is that why the "grass is so green" ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

What a larf...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aU.evtnk6DPo&refer=worldwide

Since GW is not happening, the advocates are hedging their bets,
finding a reason to keep up the panic and the funding even if it
continues to cool off for another decade or so.

``Natural variations over the next 10 years might be heading in the
cold direction,'' Wood said. ``If you run the model long enough,
eventually global warming will win.''

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

What a larf...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aU.evtnk6DPo&refer=worldwide

Since GW is not happening, the advocates are hedging their bets,
finding a reason to keep up the panic and the funding even if it
continues to cool off for another decade or so.

``Natural variations over the next 10 years might be heading in the
cold direction,'' Wood said. ``If you run the model long enough,
eventually global warming will win.''

John

We can alway compensate for the rise with a couple of nuclear winters.

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:25:22 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.
What a larf...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aU.evtnk6DPo&refer=worldwide

Since GW is not happening, the advocates are hedging their bets,
finding a reason to keep up the panic and the funding even if it
continues to cool off for another decade or so.


``Natural variations over the next 10 years might be heading in the
cold direction,'' Wood said. ``If you run the model long enough,
eventually global warming will win.''


John


Is that why the "grass is so green" ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

Just wait, when they have evidence that the earth is cooling they
will say "see we save the earth" and Algore will get another Nobel prize.

John Larkin wrote:

What a larf...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aU.evtnk6DPo&refer=worldwide

Since GW is not happening, the advocates are hedging their bets,
finding a reason to keep up the panic and the funding even if it
continues to cool off for another decade or so.

``Natural variations over the next 10 years might be heading in the
cold direction,'' Wood said. ``If you run the model long enough,
eventually global warming will win.''


Sure, when the sun goes supernova.