...
Quote "... consistent with numerous other signals of global warming
found in previous studies, such as the widening of the tropical belt, ..."

This ain't happening. Else it would be warmer here and we wouldn't have
people freezing their behinds in places like San Diego.

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:06:49 +0000, Joerg wrote:
...
Quote "... consistent with numerous other signals of global warming
found in previous studies, such as the widening of the tropical belt, ..."

This ain't happening. Else it would be warmer here and we wouldn't have
people freezing their behinds in places like San Diego.

But, you have to remember, southern Californians are wimps. If it
gets down to 60 F, people "freeze their behinds." In Minnesota, when
it gets that warm, they go out into the back yard in their t-shirts
and fire up the grill . ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:06:49 +0000, Joerg wrote:
...
Quote "... consistent with numerous other signals of global warming
found in previous studies, such as the widening of the tropical belt, ..."

This ain't happening. Else it would be warmer here and we wouldn't have
people freezing their behinds in places like San Diego.

But, you have to remember, southern Californians are wimps. If it
gets down to 60 F, people "freeze their behinds." In Minnesota, when
it gets that warm, they go out into the back yard in their t-shirts
and fire up the grill . ;-)

In article <pan.2008.04.22.21.04.32.508955@example.net>, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

I remember when they thoroughly debunked the "global warming" myth back
in the 1970's.

Half the atmosphere's CO2 increase from pre-industrial times to 2004
occurred since about 1972-1973.

You may be referring to the fact that global temperatures were the same
in the late 1970's as in the very early 1930's. In the mid 1970's there
was a bit of talk about an ice age. Maybe all that soot, ash and sulfuric
acid aerosol that went into the air back in dirtier times was good for
something!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

In article <pan.2008.04.22.21.04.32.508955@example.net>, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

I remember when they thoroughly debunked the "global warming" myth back
in the 1970's.

Half the atmosphere's CO2 increase from pre-industrial times to 2004
occurred since about 1972-1973.

You may be referring to the fact that global temperatures were the same
in the late 1970's as in the very early 1930's. In the mid 1970's there
was a bit of talk about an ice age. Maybe all that soot, ash and sulfuric
acid aerosol that went into the air back in dirtier times was good for
something!

In article <pan.2008.04.22.21.04.32.508955@example.net>, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

I remember when they thoroughly debunked the "global warming" myth back
in the 1970's.

Half the atmosphere's CO2 increase from pre-industrial times to 2004
occurred since about 1972-1973.

You may be referring to the fact that global temperatures were the same
in the late 1970's as in the very early 1930's. In the mid 1970's there
was a bit of talk about an ice age. Maybe all that soot, ash and sulfuric
acid aerosol that went into the air back in dirtier times was good for
something!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:37 +0000, Don Klipstein wrote:

Since then, climate scientists have been coming up with clouds playing
only minimal feedback role, and not agreeing on which direction. And I
haven't heard anyone saying the world has actually gotten any cloudier
since cooler times.

OK, so even if it _were_ true that the planet is getting warmer, what's
so bad about warmer weather? What's so bad about a longer growing season?
What's so bad about there being less need for heating fuel?

And when did you green weenies flip-flop from hugging trees to wanting
to suffocate them?

Since then, climate scientists have been coming up with clouds playing
only minimal feedback role, and not agreeing on which direction. And I
haven't heard anyone saying the world has actually gotten any cloudier
since cooler times.

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:37 +0000, Don Klipstein wrote:

Since then, climate scientists have been coming up with clouds playing
only minimal feedback role, and not agreeing on which direction. And I
haven't heard anyone saying the world has actually gotten any cloudier
since cooler times.

OK, so even if it _were_ true that the planet is getting warmer, what's
so bad about warmer weather? What's so bad about a longer growing season?
What's so bad about there being less need for heating fuel?

And when did you green weenies flip-flop from hugging trees to wanting
to suffocate them?

Please explain these, OK?

Thanks,
Rich

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:37 +0000, Don Klipstein wrote:

Since then, climate scientists have been coming up with clouds playing
only minimal feedback role, and not agreeing on which direction. And I
haven't heard anyone saying the world has actually gotten any cloudier
since cooler times.

OK, so even if it _were_ true that the planet is getting warmer, what's
so bad about warmer weather? What's so bad about a longer growing season?
What's so bad about there being less need for heating fuel?

It depends if your location is in the top end of liveable temperature

And when did you green weenies flip-flop from hugging trees to wanting
to suffocate them?

Please explain these, OK?

Thanks,
Rich

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:57:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:37 +0000, Don Klipstein wrote:

Since then, climate scientists have been coming up with clouds playing
only minimal feedback role, and not agreeing on which direction. And I
haven't heard anyone saying the world has actually gotten any cloudier
since cooler times.
OK, so even if it _were_ true that the planet is getting warmer, what's
so bad about warmer weather? What's so bad about a longer growing season?
What's so bad about there being less need for heating fuel?

And when did you green weenies flip-flop from hugging trees to wanting
to suffocate them?

Please explain these, OK?

Thanks,
Rich

Give 'em time, they'll make up a new story... just as soon as they
escape from the snipers ;-)

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:57:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
....
And when did [the] green weenies flip-flop from hugging trees to
wanting to suffocate them?

Give 'em time, they'll make up a new story... just as soon as they
escape from the snipers ;-)

No, they now have proof that global warming is true. It was just posted
in a German NG:

http://www.neatorama.com/2006/05/31/positive-proof-of-global-warming/

Wonder what the picture will be in 2010

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:55:55 +0000, Don Klipstein wrote:
In <pan.2008.04.24.21.56.27.631285@example.net>, Rich Grise wrote:

And when did you green weenies flip-flop from hugging trees to wanting
to suffocate them?

How do I want to suffocate them? How do greenies want to suffocate
them?

Duh, they want to ban CO2!

Sheesh!

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

More cogent predictions are showing relatively flat, but decreasing
temperatures, over the next five years.

We're running cool (so far) in Phoenix this year. Only had a couple
of days over 90°F.

Our standard is 190 days per year over 90°F.

Everyone stay away... it's hotter than hell here ;-)

...Jim Thompson