On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:17:01 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:10:32 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

We just went down the hill to our favorite Mexican sushi restaurant,
and liked to froze. It's officially 52F just now in San Francisco, but
in our neighborhood it's always colder than the official value. Low
predicted for tomorrow is 41. Sunny California my ass!

John

70F here (feels like 78 with the 38% RH), watched a MLB game with the
dome open. Other than the somewhat pricey $10 bud 'beer', a good day.



$10 Canadian?

At our ballpark, beer is pretty much all $9, but they'll
mix you up a Black&Tan for the same price. The garlic fries are pretty
good.

http://z.about.com/d/gosanfrancisco/1/0/_/7/ATTPark2c.jpg

This is a sweet little ballpark. The water in the foreground is China
Basin. When games are being played, it's full of boats and kayaks
waiting for splash-down homers. This pic looks like it's been
Photoshopped.

John

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

It isn't global warming any more it is climate change, and whichever way
it changes it will be bad and be our fault.

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

Well, I moved here because I like moderate weather. Its getting too
damned moderate for my liking.

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

I read an article in the newspaper today that said the global
temperature has dropped quite a bit.

In article <4809641A.13D86A16@hovnanian.com>, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.
Well, I moved here because I like moderate weather. Its getting too
damned moderate for my liking.

1. Most of the regulars of this newsgroup are in the temperate zone. It
appears to me that this word works like the word "flammable". Flammable
means inflammable.

The temperate zone is where the weather has a temper!

2. Normal American weather (also applies to much of Canada) is to act
"normal" enough of the time to make us think that there is such a thing as
"normal American weather".

3. Most Americans are in the part of North America that gets wacky
weather - the part east of the Pacific Ocean.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:

In article <480a53c5.643558518@news.planet.nl>, Nico Coesel wrote:
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

I read an article in the newspaper today that said the global
temperature has dropped quite a bit.

If you still have today's paper, can you tell us how much global
temperature has dropped? From what and when to what and when?

Well, it is somewhere in the old paper bin outside ready for pick-up.
I don't recall the article stating any numbers though. However, Google
came up with this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/
news.html?in_article_id=557209&in_page_id=1770

Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <4809641A.13D86A16@hovnanian.com>, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle
and
its sticking.
Well, I moved here because I like moderate weather. Its getting too
damned moderate for my liking.

1. Most of the regulars of this newsgroup are in the temperate zone.
It appears to me that this word works like the word "flammable".
Flammable means inflammable.

The temperate zone is where the weather has a temper!

2. Normal American weather (also applies to much of Canada) is to act
"normal" enough of the time to make us think that there is such a
thing as "normal American weather".

3. Most Americans are in the part of North America that gets wacky
weather - the part east of the Pacific Ocean.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

We have not had "Normal" weather in my part of the country for 15 years
or more.
There are teenage children who have never experienced the type of
winters we routinely used to experience. We used to number tens of
days of below zero temperatures in the winter. These are a rarity now.
Outdoor ice rinks have trouble keeping ice in February.

This year was the exception to that trend however, in that is was cooler
than the last 10, but nothing like the 60's. There was period in
January of 62 or 63, where the temperature never got above zero F for 21
days or so. If that happened now, we would think the world was at an end.

Electroniker wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <4809641A.13D86A16@hovnanian.com>, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle
and
its sticking.
Well, I moved here because I like moderate weather. Its getting too
damned moderate for my liking.

1. Most of the regulars of this newsgroup are in the temperate zone.
It appears to me that this word works like the word "flammable".
Flammable means inflammable.

The temperate zone is where the weather has a temper!

2. Normal American weather (also applies to much of Canada) is to act
"normal" enough of the time to make us think that there is such a
thing as "normal American weather".

3. Most Americans are in the part of North America that gets wacky
weather - the part east of the Pacific Ocean.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

We have not had "Normal" weather in my part of the country for 15 years
or more.
There are teenage children who have never experienced the type of
winters we routinely used to experience. We used to number tens of
days of below zero temperatures in the winter. These are a rarity now.
Outdoor ice rinks have trouble keeping ice in February.

This year was the exception to that trend however, in that is was cooler
than the last 10, but nothing like the 60's. There was period in
January of 62 or 63, where the temperature never got above zero F for 21
days or so. If that happened now, we would think the world was at an end.


Then come to California, the area west of the old Ponderosa. They are
still geting frost at night and it's end of April. We are still cranking
the wood stove and we aren't even up there but only 1400ft altitude.
This house used to be heated quite comfortably with 1.5 to 2 cords of
mixed wood. Now it's over 4 with hardwood, over 5 with pine. There ain't
nothing getting warmer out here.

In the mid-90's we used to sit on the deck in shorts and T-shirts by the
end of February. Now the wood stove is running full bore at that time.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:41:26 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Electroniker wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <4809641A.13D86A16@hovnanian.com>, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle
and
its sticking.
Well, I moved here because I like moderate weather. Its getting too
damned moderate for my liking.
1. Most of the regulars of this newsgroup are in the temperate zone.
It appears to me that this word works like the word "flammable".
Flammable means inflammable.

The temperate zone is where the weather has a temper!

2. Normal American weather (also applies to much of Canada) is to act
"normal" enough of the time to make us think that there is such a
thing as "normal American weather".

3. Most Americans are in the part of North America that gets wacky
weather - the part east of the Pacific Ocean.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
We have not had "Normal" weather in my part of the country for 15 years
or more.
There are teenage children who have never experienced the type of
winters we routinely used to experience. We used to number tens of
days of below zero temperatures in the winter. These are a rarity now.
Outdoor ice rinks have trouble keeping ice in February.

This year was the exception to that trend however, in that is was cooler
than the last 10, but nothing like the 60's. There was period in
January of 62 or 63, where the temperature never got above zero F for 21
days or so. If that happened now, we would think the world was at an end.

Then come to California, the area west of the old Ponderosa. They are
still geting frost at night and it's end of April. We are still cranking
the wood stove and we aren't even up there but only 1400ft altitude.
This house used to be heated quite comfortably with 1.5 to 2 cords of
mixed wood. Now it's over 4 with hardwood, over 5 with pine. There ain't
nothing getting warmer out here.

In the mid-90's we used to sit on the deck in shorts and T-shirts by the
end of February. Now the wood stove is running full bore at that time.

Its the Jet Stream, obviously.....
http://www.ciw.edu/news/changing_jet_streams_may_alter_paths_storms_and_hurricanes

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:41:26 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Electroniker wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <4809641A.13D86A16@hovnanian.com>, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle
and
its sticking.
Well, I moved here because I like moderate weather. Its getting too
damned moderate for my liking.

1. Most of the regulars of this newsgroup are in the temperate zone.
It appears to me that this word works like the word "flammable".
Flammable means inflammable.

The temperate zone is where the weather has a temper!

2. Normal American weather (also applies to much of Canada) is to act
"normal" enough of the time to make us think that there is such a
thing as "normal American weather".

3. Most Americans are in the part of North America that gets wacky
weather - the part east of the Pacific Ocean.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

We have not had "Normal" weather in my part of the country for 15 years
or more.
There are teenage children who have never experienced the type of
winters we routinely used to experience. We used to number tens of
days of below zero temperatures in the winter. These are a rarity now.
Outdoor ice rinks have trouble keeping ice in February.

This year was the exception to that trend however, in that is was cooler
than the last 10, but nothing like the 60's. There was period in
January of 62 or 63, where the temperature never got above zero F for 21
days or so. If that happened now, we would think the world was at an end.


Then come to California, the area west of the old Ponderosa. They are
still geting frost at night and it's end of April. We are still cranking
the wood stove and we aren't even up there but only 1400ft altitude.
This house used to be heated quite comfortably with 1.5 to 2 cords of
mixed wood. Now it's over 4 with hardwood, over 5 with pine. There ain't
nothing getting warmer out here.

In the mid-90's we used to sit on the deck in shorts and T-shirts by the
end of February. Now the wood stove is running full bore at that time.

Its the Jet Stream, obviously.....
http://www.ciw.edu/news/changing_jet_streams_may_alter_paths_storms_and_hurricanes


martin

In article <480a53c5.643558518@news.planet.nl>, Nico Coesel wrote:
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

I read an article in the newspaper today that said the global
temperature has dropped quite a bit.

If you still have today's paper, can you tell us how much global
temperature has dropped? From what and when to what and when?

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:02:33 +0200, Martin Griffith
mart_in_medina@yah00.es> wrote:
snip

Then come to California, the area west of the old Ponderosa. They are
still geting frost at night and it's end of April. We are still cranking
the wood stove and we aren't even up there but only 1400ft altitude.
This house used to be heated quite comfortably with 1.5 to 2 cords of
mixed wood. Now it's over 4 with hardwood, over 5 with pine. There ain't
nothing getting warmer out here.

In the mid-90's we used to sit on the deck in shorts and T-shirts by the
end of February. Now the wood stove is running full bore at that time.

Its the Jet Stream, obviously.....
http://www.ciw.edu/news/changing_jet_streams_may_alter_paths_storms_and_hurricanes


martin

It's a liberal/greenie religion thing... you must believe in global
warming as an act of faith ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Great Zeus.......

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:19:50 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Jim
Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:02:33 +0200, Martin Griffith
mart_in_medina@yah00.es> wrote:
snip

Then come to California, the area west of the old Ponderosa. They are
still geting frost at night and it's end of April. We are still cranking
the wood stove and we aren't even up there but only 1400ft altitude.
This house used to be heated quite comfortably with 1.5 to 2 cords of
mixed wood. Now it's over 4 with hardwood, over 5 with pine. There ain't
nothing getting warmer out here.

In the mid-90's we used to sit on the deck in shorts and T-shirts by the
end of February. Now the wood stove is running full bore at that time.

Its the Jet Stream, obviously.....
http://www.ciw.edu/news/changing_jet_streams_may_alter_paths_storms_and_hurricanes


martin

It's a liberal/greenie religion thing... you must believe in global
warming as an act of faith ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Great Zeus.......
How dare you mix up greenyism and religion, greenyism has nothing to
do with H.Potter or other books of fantasy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk

probably won't work on Win 3.11 :)


martin

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

I remember when they thoroughly debunked the "global warming" myth back
in the 1970's.

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:28:49 +0000, Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <pan.2008.04.22.21.04.32.508955@example.net>, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:39:48 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

OK, where is global warming when we need it? Its snowing in Seattle and
its sticking.

I remember when they thoroughly debunked the "global warming" myth back
in the 1970's.

Half the atmosphere's CO2 increase from pre-industrial times to 2004
occurred since about 1972-1973.

You may be referring to the fact that global temperatures were the same
in the late 1970's as in the very early 1930's. In the mid 1970's there
was a bit of talk about an ice age. Maybe all that soot, ash and sulfuric
acid aerosol that went into the air back in dirtier times was good for
something!

No, actually it was a science article titled something like "Global
Warming - a Cosmic Perspective".

The warmingists completely dismiss albedo, probably because they've
never heard of it.

Have they never heard of clouds either?