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| Ivan |
 Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:19 pm |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
Quote: In article <66mqk0F2l8bp3U1@mid.individual.net>,
ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk (Ivan) says...
Basically then Bob AIUI cutting to the chase the article is saying
that that from now on we will all have to get used to living in a
world of finite resources and ever increasing demand?
Pretty much. How that will affect affluence is a separate question.
We have made almost no attempt to improve resource efficiency.
Certainly some segments of the economy will die, while other areas
will boom. Sell Freightliner, and buy rail stock.
Fortunately however it's not all going to collapse overnight, however it is
beginning to look like that from now on we'll all have to seriously start
thinking about progressively moderating our lifestyles, which IMO may not be
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| Anthony Matonak |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:12 pm |
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Ivan wrote:
Quote: Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article <66mqk0F2l8bp3U1@mid.individual.net>,
ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk (Ivan) says...
Basically then Bob AIUI cutting to the chase the article is saying
that that from now on we will all have to get used to living in a
world of finite resources and ever increasing demand?
Pretty much. How that will affect affluence is a separate question.
We have made almost no attempt to improve resource efficiency.
Certainly some segments of the economy will die, while other areas
will boom. Sell Freightliner, and buy rail stock.
Fortunately however it's not all going to collapse overnight, however it
is beginning to look like that from now on we'll all have to seriously
start thinking about progressively moderating our lifestyles, which IMO
may not be a bad thing.
Moderating or simply doing things in a more efficient or
country self-sufficient manner?
Take the electric light for an example. With a simple switch
from incandescent to florescent you can cut the energy used
by your lights to 1/4 of what it was before without giving
up anything.
How about cars? There are cars that get over 40 mpg available
today and they are advertising cars that get over 100 mpg that
should be available soon. Are you really giving up anything
if you switch from a 15 mpg gas guzzler to a 100 mpg vehicle?
How about landfills? Almost everything going into a landfill
can be recycled, composted, turned into energy and products.
Why are we just dumping it in the ground instead of using it?
I'm sure there are a lot of examples like this. There is a lot
of ways to do things more efficiently or to produce more energy
without having to give up anything.
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| Ivan |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:27 pm |
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Anthony Matonak wrote:
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How about cars? There are cars that get over 40 mpg available
today and they are advertising cars that get over 100 mpg that
should be available soon. Are you really giving up anything
if you switch from a 15 mpg gas guzzler to a 100 mpg vehicle?
As I live in the UK the above is taken as read.. I own a relatively spacious
five seater 1.8 turbo diesel estate car which with careful driving can
deliver over 60 mpg and outperforms most of the previous similar capacity
petrol vehicles that I have owned, and 'if it was legal' in the UK would
clock up over 100 mph on the motorway:0) probably it's time to wake up
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| Morris Dovey |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:58 pm |
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Anthony Matonak wrote:
Quote: I'm sure there are a lot of examples like this. There is a lot
of ways to do things more efficiently or to produce more energy
without having to give up anything.
We might even make a few gains - like seeing heating bills plummet as
solar heating systems come into use...
....and of course, we're all eagerly awaiting the personal energy
independence that seems reasonable to expect when PV panel costs drop
with widespread use.
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Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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