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veritas
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:50 pm
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On Apr 19, 2:52 am, kdth...@yahoo.com wrote:
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On Apr 14, 12:10 am, "0BN0Z" <0B...@doooooooooooooodoooooooooo.com
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China Biggest CO2 Emitting Country

Steve Milloy

April 11, 2008

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2616

Why isn't Gore hounding the Olympic torch?

Tibetan protesters aren't the only ones who ought to be dogging the
Olympic torch relay.

When Al Gore received his Nobel Peace prize he said that global warming
is a "moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity."

Ted Turner recently told PBS' Charlie Rose that if steps aren't taken to
control global warming, "in 30 or 40 years. most of the people will have
died and the rest of us will be cannibals. Civilization will have broken
down. The few people left will be living in a failed state-like Somalia
or Sudan-and living conditions will be intolerable."

And the U.N. deputy high commissioner for human rights says that,
"Global warming and extreme weather conditions may have calamitous
consequences for the human rights of millions of people."

But despite their melodramatic rhetoric-and the just-reported news that
the Olympic torch relay will release more than 11 million pounds of
carbon dioxide, equivalent to the annual emissions from more than 550
SUVs-you won't see Al, Ted or anyone from the U.N. trying to tackle an
Olympic torch bearer even though China easily-and unapologetically-wins
the gold medal for carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions and will continue to
do so for the foreseeable future.

The Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency (NEAA) reported last
year that China became the No. 1 CO2 emitting country in 2006, blowing
past the U.S. emissions level by a whopping 8 percent. The U.N.
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) had projected that
China wouldn't surpass the U.S. in CO2 emissions until 2020.

Now a new study from researchers at the University of
California-Berkeley has not only verified the NEAA report, but says that
China's emissions are growing at a rate of 11 percent-two- to four-times
the rate projected by the IPCC.

It seems that the IPCC is as bad at forecasting CO2 emissions growth as
it is at forecasting global temperature change.

The Berkeley researchers attribute the IPCC's shortcomings to reliance
on obsolete data that are almost a decade old. Since then, they say,
"China's economic and technological growth has accelerated beyond
anticipation."

Adding insult to injury, the Berkeley researchers point out that, while
the emissions from countries that signed the Kyoto Protocol will be a
cumulative 116 million metric tons lower by 2010 than they would have
been without any agreement, China's emissions will have increased by 600
million metric tons over that same period.

Now that's what I call a carbon offset.

It's no wonder that Kyoto signatories in the European Union are starting
to wonder why they struggle to meet their emissions obligations without
wrecking their economies, while China unabashedly emits CO2 like there's
no tomorrow.

While burning coal for electricity, a primary source of manmade CO2
emissions, is rapidly becoming a politically incorrect energy source, it
seems China can't get enough of it.

In 2006-2007, China added 186,000 megawatts of coal-fueled electrical
generation capacity, equivalent to twice the entire electricity grid of
the United Kingdom. Acquiring sufficient coal for its ever-increasing
power needs turned China in 2007 into a net importer of coal for the
first time, helping to more than double the price of coal over the last
year.

Don't look to China to save the West from "manmade" global
warming-whether real or imagined.

In vowing to not allow international action on climate change to
interfere with its economic development, a Chinese foreign ministry
spokesman told the Financial Times in early 2007 that, "developed
countries bear an unshirkable responsibility" for causing global
warming.

The Chinese attitude-as well as that of India, which is verging on
becoming the third largest CO2 emitter-is that 95 percent of worldwide
CO2 emissions since the industrial revolution came from the West, so
global warming is the West's problem. "Both Beijing and New Delhi fear
that binding emission caps that limit energy use could threaten future
economic development-and condemn many of their people to perpetual
poverty," reported the Financial Times.

In a prescient moment in 1997, the U.S. Senate voted 95-0 against the
Kyoto Protocol because developing countries, like China and India, were
not bound to reduce their CO2 emissions.

Now that China has blown past the U.S. 15 years earlier than expected,
the Senate's prescience seems to have vanished as it has scheduled a
June floor debate on the Kyoto Protocol-on-steroids Lieberman-Warner
global warming bill.

Even if the bill's heavy-handed provisions achieved its main goal-a 70
percent reduction in U.S. CO2 emissions by 2050-atmospheric CO2 levels
would only be reduced by less than 5 percent, according to the EPA. Such
a trivial reduction in atmospheric CO2 would likely have virtually
zero-impact on global climate albeit at great societal cost.

Nevertheless, the Senate's apparent abandonment of its 1997 position
seems to have led climate alarmists to sense that their personal nirvana
of a carbon-restricted, energy-constipated U.S. is well within sight. No
wonder the Tibetans are chasing after the flame alone.
--

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

"There is no compelling evidence that carbon dioxide has any significant
control over the direction of global temperature and climate. The
processes that regulate the interannual to decadal fluctuations of
climate are poorly understood and, as yet, unpredictable" William
Kininmonth, Meteorologist, Former Head, National Climate Centre, Bureau
of Meteorology, 1986-1998

The greenie wienies don't like these facts so they surpress them. They
got everybody sitting in the dark for an hour and turning off their
coffee pot clocks, but in their science, to obtain and disseminated
proper facts such as the rapid growth of China and India's CO2
emissions is not too important. That is what you call scientific peer
review.

Algore is planning his next enterprise. Selling carbon offsets to
China. He said he's getting tired of just being a progagandist who is
paying for the commercials which say,' we can solve the climate
crisis'.

How will nuclear war against China be beneficial to the environment?

KD- Hide quoted text -

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Well, we probably wouldn't have to pay them back the billions we owe
them and the government keeps borrowing from them. That would be one
benefit. Second one is if we are quick enough, we won't have to have
the '08 Olympics there. And before we do this we could have Al Gore
make a major speech as the missles leave the boomers. That's three.
In a few years, we will recover from whatever damage to the
environment the the nuclear explosions caused, and after a hundred
years or so, look at all the free land available. Kind of a "Oklahoma
land rush" unless the needle goes over a certain number. That all I
can think of in 5 minutes. Regards, Ken Hogan
veritas
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:58 pm
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On Apr 19, 8:11 am, Dave <nos...@biteme.com> wrote:
Quote:
invinoveritas wrote:
   It is difficult to see how China could be
using so much energy with commerce only being
a fraction of that of the US.
Simple really.
Their use of energy is far, far less efficent than that in the US..
Therefore MORE energy is used.

Warmest Regards

My, my...

Your have great difficulties with past and present tense and facts too.

1. Air pollution in China is much higher than USA.
However, if it is pro-rated per resident, I wonder......

2. Use of energy WAS less efficient.
It is not NOW.

3. China, despite having population more than three times that of USA is
still using
MUCH less energy than USA.

Splat! with coldest regards,

Thatsallshewrote

You don't get it.  We sent our dirty manufacturing facilities over
there, rather than bring them up to EPA standards.  We outsourced our
(USA) pollution.  It didn't solve anything.- Hide quoted text -

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You obviously have never been through an EPA inspection, or even an
serious OSHA inspection. If you didn't think we solved anything, I'm
quite sure the next company that fails an inspection by the EPA would
be glad to have you handle the situation and make them go away. They
would be so so glad, as you are introduced to the world of endless
paperwork, unsalable land, and more endless paperwork. Right before
you die of old age, you can say, "Well, I got it half-done." So,
yeah, it did solve something. Regards, Ken Hogan
Robert Blass
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:00 pm
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:46:12 -0700, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> sayd the following:

Quote:

"Robert Blass" <blame@messenger.xcx> wrote
So until a country uses as much energy as the USA we should ignore
them and focus all efforts, all extreme, on the USA population???

I think I got it now.

Well certainly every country has the right to emit as much pollution per
person as does the U.S. Or approximately so. I grant those near the
equator a fraction more energy for their air conditioners, and a fraction
more in the north for heating.


Thanks for the confirmation that all the enviro efforts are aimed at
the USA and not other 'developed' nations in Asia.

I guess we'll just wait until China emits the same pollution, in your
words, per person...

I guess if the USA's people decided to have 10 babies per family then
the pollution focus would be off of the US and on to CHINA?

ah, makes so much sense.

thanks guys
veritas
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:01 pm
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On Apr 19, 3:46 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Robert Blass" <bl...@messenger.xcx> wrote

So until a country uses as much energy as the USA we should ignore
them and focus all efforts, all extreme, on the USA population???

I think I got it now.

  Well certainly every country has the right to emit as much pollution per
person as does the U.S.  Or approximately so.  I grant those near the
equator a fraction more energy for their air conditioners, and a fraction
more in the north for heating.

No they don't have the right to emit as much pollution per person as
does the U.S., even approximately. That just not right. We had to
work our butts off for them and us at the same time. We get more.
Regards, Ken Hogan
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:12 pm
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"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote
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Liberalism works so well, never unintended consequences.

Liberalism is an unintended consequence of education.

The death of KKKonservatism is the consequence of Progress.

The domestication of man continues.
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:40 am
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"veritas" <khogantwo@yahoo.com> wrote
Quote:
No they don't have the right to emit as much pollution per person as
does the U.S., even approximately. That just not right. We had to
work our butts off for them and us at the same time

Such fancyful delusions from the AmeriKKKan blowhard.

We deserve the right to emit more pollution because it is our manifest
destiny.

On the contrary my fat AmeriKKKan shit sucker.

It your destiny to die as a nation.
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:42 am
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"veritas" <khogantwo@yahoo.com> wrote
Quote:
You obviously have never been through an EPA inspection, or even an
serious OSHA inspection.

Translation - It's a race to the bottom.
veritas
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:44 pm
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On Apr 20, 5:40 am, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
Quote:
"veritas" <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote

No they don't have the right to emit as much pollution per person as
does the U.S., even approximately.  That just not right.  We had to
work our butts off for them and us at the same time

  Such fancyful delusions from the AmeriKKKan blowhard.

  We deserve the right to emit more pollution because it is our manifest
destiny.

  On the contrary my fat AmeriKKKan shit sucker.

  It your destiny to die as a nation.

I'll have you know that I am an equal opportunity limiter of pollution
per person outside the U.S. No matter, their race, creed, color,
country of orgin, or religion, we deserve more. So don't give me the
KKK crap, blacks, and jews don't pollute anymore than I do, and they
live here (At least some). It's the rest of the world that needs to
cut back. Ken Hogan
veritas
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:47 pm
Guest
On Apr 20, 10:42 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
Quote:
"veritas" <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote

Well, we probably wouldn't have to pay them back the billions we owe
them and the government keeps borrowing from them.  That would be one
benefit.  Second one is if we are quick enough, we won't have to have
the '08 Olympics there.

  There is an alternative to that which wouldn't to dramatically
inconvenience the non-AmeriKKKan atheletes.  Nuke Washington, Dallas and New
York.

  Would send a great message don't you think?

  But China won't do that.  Mostly because it would be bombing it's own
property.

Well bring that puppy up, and see if we can get it done. I'm sure
elected officials would love to hear your answer. But, mine makes a
lot more sense. Regards, Ken Hogan
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:55 pm
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"Robert Blass" <blame@messenger.xcx> wrote
Quote:
Thanks for the confirmation that all the enviro efforts are aimed at
the USA and not other 'developed' nations in Asia.

Since the U.S. produces 20% of the worlds pollution and has emission rates
per capita that are 6 times larger than China, and since Europe has been
actively engaging in reducing it's CO2 emissions, no other efforts make
sense.

Target the criminals.

"Robert Blass" <blame@messenger.xcx> wrote
Quote:
I guess we'll just wait until China emits the same pollution, in your
words, per person...

AmeriKKKa WILL BE FORCED into compliance long before then.

Thanks to KKKonservative politics, Europe and China Own your deadbeat Ass.


"Robert Blass" <blame@messenger.xcx> wrote
Quote:
I guess if the USA's people decided to have 10 babies per family then
the pollution focus would be off of the US and on to CHINA?

Only if you were to keep your overall emissions at current levels with a
population that is 10 times larger.

Is that your plan? Shit Sucker....
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:42 pm
Guest
"veritas" <khogantwo@yahoo.com> wrote
Quote:
Well, we probably wouldn't have to pay them back the billions we owe
them and the government keeps borrowing from them. That would be one
benefit. Second one is if we are quick enough, we won't have to have
the '08 Olympics there.

There is an alternative to that which wouldn't to dramatically
inconvenience the non-AmeriKKKan atheletes. Nuke Washington, Dallas and New
York.

Would send a great message don't you think?

But China won't do that. Mostly because it would be bombing it's own
property.
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:22 am
Guest
"veritas" <khogantwo@yahoo.com> wrote
Quote:
I'll have you know that I am an equal opportunity limiter of pollution
per person outside the U.S.

No problem. I see that we will have to reduce your quota to below the
world average.
V-for-Vendicar
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:22 am
Guest
Quote:
There is an alternative to that which wouldn't to dramatically
inconvenience the non-AmeriKKKan atheletes. Nuke Washington, Dallas and
New
York.

Would send a great message don't you think?

But China won't do that. Mostly because it would be bombing it's own
property.


"veritas" <khogantwo@yahoo.com> wrote
Quote:
Well bring that puppy up, and see if we can get it done. I'm sure
elected officials would love to hear your answer. But, mine makes a
lot more sense.

Why inconvenience 5.7 billion people when it is easier and more efficient
to inconvenience 300 million AmeriKKKan worthless losers?
Robert Blass
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:13 pm
Guest
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:03:19 -0700, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> sayd the following:

Quote:
Why inconvenience 5.7 billion people when it is easier and more efficient
to inconvenience 300 million AmeriKKKan worthless losers?


That is the MAIN GOAL of the "omg al gore says" crowd.
Poetic Justice
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:27 pm
Guest
Robert Blass wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:03:19 -0700, "V-for-Vendicar"
Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> sayd the following:

Why inconvenience 5.7 billion people when it is easier and more efficient
to inconvenience 300 million AmeriKKKan worthless losers?


That is the MAIN GOAL of the "omg al gore says" crowd.


typical Liberal and socialist view....



Rather than lifting the rest of the world out of its situation, they
want to drag the USA down to the lowest common denominator.

That way instead of all the medical advances the Liberals want everyone
to have equally poor health.
 
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