K. A. Cannon wrote:

K. A. Cannon
kcannon at insurgent dot org
(change the orgy to org to reply)

COOSN-266-06-02374
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#9 People ruining UseNet lits.
#6 Top Assholes on the Net lits.
#5 Most hated Usenetizens of all time
#15 AUK psychos and felons lits
#5 Cog in the AUK Hate Machine

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This is why no one takes Databasix seriously.

I think that the chance of an effective UDP of Google is about zero.
But if it did happen, and if it did catch Google's attention, there's a
good chance that they would simply disconnect from Usenet and abandon
the archives that they purchased from Deja News. Usenet would then lose
that resource, something that a lot of active users would miss.

Marc Bissonnette wrote:

Ideally, the UDP (if it ever happened - I'm not holding my breath,
since you'd need to convince Giganews, Supernews, etc, to honour it,
as well, which would have some implications for their commercial
service) would be a short-term thing: Long enough to catch Google
Inc.'s attention and make them do something about the serious
garbage coming through their portal.

I think that the chance of an effective UDP of Google is about
zero. But if it did happen, and if it did catch Google's attention,
there's a good chance that they would simply disconnect from Usenet
and abandon the archives that they purchased from Deja News. Usenet
would then lose that resource, something that a lot of active users
would miss. After all, Google is spending some level of resources
keeping material flowing into the archives,

and isn't making much
revenue from Usenet. Poke them with a blunt stick, and they're likely
to just decide to jettison Usenet entirely.

I'm sure that there are those who think that the Usenet archives are
another evil that is best allowed to die, but I see them used fairly
often for serious research, or just to show what someone said last
week by referencing the message id on the Google archives.

Personally, I'd say the method to solve most of it would be if
Google made posting to Usenet a "premium" service - Charge $5.00 a
month or something like that - A good percentage of ko0ks would
never pay for a public posting account, since it would identify
them. (Or there would be warrant-able records that would identify
them)

We just lost a large NSP who was charging less than $5 a month, which
suggests that the market wouldn't even support enough subscribers for
Google to cover their billing cost.

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article <fub3ms$2od$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Gary L.
Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:

At $62 a year, why would I consider your service over individual.net at
less than 25% of that, and my own client-side filtering?
Because we're DataBasix. Why else?

That answers that. Cheers.

Not sure where you got that price from either, I'm seeing $51 a
year. Hell why pay a German college, Aioe is free.

Web address? How good of a news server is it?

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:37:52 -0500, "WindsorFox<SS>"
darkshado666@gmail.com> wrote:

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article <fub3ms$2od$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Gary L.
Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:

At $62 a year, why would I consider your service over individual.net at
less than 25% of that, and my own client-side filtering?
Because we're DataBasix. Why else?
That answers that. Cheers.

Not sure where you got that price from either, I'm seeing $51 a year.

We just added that today.

Hell why pay a German college, Aioe is free.

Aioe is text only?

I'm quite sure it is.

That's fine with me.

William Elliot wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Gary L. Burnore wrote:

Perhaps there is a market for a USENET providor that blocks spam, and
the simplist way is to block posts with a googlegroups message ID.
We're about to roll out a server that does exactly that to see what
happens. We'll let our users choose which to connect to.

When will that be happeing?
What news server will it be?

I think the world blinks everytime I sit up and say this. There are
already lots of servers that block goosle spam.
http://www.glorb.com/usenet.php is one of them.

What's the cost?

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, WindsorFox<SS> wrote:
William Elliot wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Gary L. Burnore wrote:

Perhaps there is a market for a USENET providor that blocks spam, and
the simplist way is to block posts with a googlegroups message ID.
We're about to roll out a server that does exactly that to see what
happens. We'll let our users choose which to connect to.

When will that be happeing?
What news server will it be?

I think the world blinks everytime I sit up and say this. There are
already lots of servers that block goosle spam.
http://www.glorb.com/usenet.php is one of them.

What's the cost?

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, WindsorFox<SS> wrote:

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article <fub3ms$2od$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Gary L.
Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:

At $62 a year, why would I consider your service over individual.net at
less than 25% of that, and my own client-side filtering?
Because we're DataBasix. Why else?

That answers that. Cheers.

Not sure where you got that price from either, I'm seeing $51 a
year. Hell why pay a German college, Aioe is free.

Web address?

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, WindsorFox<SS> wrote:

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article <fub3ms$2od$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Gary L.
Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:

At $62 a year, why would I consider your service over individual.net at
less than 25% of that, and my own client-side filtering?
Because we're DataBasix. Why else?

That answers that. Cheers.

Not sure where you got that price from either, I'm seeing $51 a
year. Hell why pay a German college, Aioe is free.

How good of a news server is it?

There's practically _nothing_ about google groups which doesn't
suck. It's only the level of suckage, and the number of people
with oxygen in their brainstems who actually notice the suck that
varies.

As I presaged with the news that Google was going to sell it's soul to the

Not to mention the learning curve of installing and configuring and
using a newsreader.

Steve Bonine<spb@pobox.com> writes:
Marc Bissonnette wrote:

Ideally, the UDP (if it ever happened - I'm not holding my breath,
since you'd need to convince Giganews, Supernews, etc, to honour it,
as well, which would have some implications for their commercial
service) would be a short-term thing: Long enough to catch Google
Inc.'s attention and make them do something about the serious
garbage coming through their portal.
I think that the chance of an effective UDP of Google is about
zero. But if it did happen, and if it did catch Google's attention,
there's a good chance that they would simply disconnect from Usenet
and abandon the archives that they purchased from Deja News. Usenet
would then lose that resource, something that a lot of active users
would miss. After all, Google is spending some level of resources
keeping material flowing into the archives,

Unfortunately, it's what's flowing from google that's pissing
most people off.

and isn't making much
revenue from Usenet. Poke them with a blunt stick, and they're likely
to just decide to jettison Usenet entirely.

I'm sure that there are those who think that the Usenet archives are
another evil that is best allowed to die, but I see them used fairly
often for serious research, or just to show what someone said last
week by referencing the message id on the Google archives.

The fact that I can make a search for a post that I know I made,
and google groups fails to find it means that it's simply not
a reliable archive either. I've also searched for a multi-word
phrase as individual words and not found posts, yet when I bind
the phrase in quotes it's magically found. That's simply broken,
the results from the latter should obviously be a subset of the
results from the former.

There's practically _nothing_ about google groups which doesn't
suck. It's only the level of suckage, and the number of people
with oxygen in their brainstems who actually notice the suck that
varies.

Personally, I'd say the method to solve most of it would be if
Google made posting to Usenet a "premium" service - Charge $5.00 a
month or something like that - A good percentage of ko0ks would
never pay for a public posting account, since it would identify
them. (Or there would be warrant-able records that would identify
them)
We just lost a large NSP who was charging less than $5 a month, which
suggests that the market wouldn't even support enough subscribers for
Google to cover their billing cost.

And usenet would be left without inane googlegroups posters. It
sounds only positive currently.

In the days of DejaNews, the archive was OK and I don't remember
reading DejaNews spam, though maybe there was some; I don't know.

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:12:27 -0700, William Elliot
marsh@hevanet.remove.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, WindsorFox<SS> wrote:

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article <fub3ms$2od$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Gary L.
Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:

At $62 a year, why would I consider your service over individual.net at
less than 25% of that, and my own client-side filtering?
Because we're DataBasix. Why else?

That answers that. Cheers.

Not sure where you got that price from either, I'm seeing $51 a
year. Hell why pay a German college, Aioe is free.

How good of a news server is it?

Probably fine, but there's no way that a free usenet server could
handle the full volume of Google Groups users, if they were all to
switch over.

Not to mention the learning curve of installing and configuring and
using a newsreader.

Marc Bissonnette wrote:

Ideally, the UDP (if it ever happened - I'm not holding my breath,
since you'd need to convince Giganews, Supernews, etc, to honour it,
as well, which would have some implications for their commercial
service) would be a short-term thing: Long enough to catch Google
Inc.'s attention and make them do something about the serious garbage
coming through their portal.

I think that the chance of an effective UDP of Google is about zero.
But if it did happen, and if it did catch Google's attention, there's
a good chance that they would simply disconnect from Usenet and
abandon the archives that they purchased from Deja News. Usenet would
then lose that resource, something that a lot of active users would
miss. After all, Google is spending some level of resources keeping
material flowing into the archives, and isn't making much revenue from
Usenet. Poke them with a blunt stick, and they're likely to just
decide to jettison Usenet entirely.

I'm sure that there are those who think that the Usenet archives are
another evil that is best allowed to die, but I see them used fairly
often for serious research, or just to show what someone said last
week by referencing the message id on the Google archives.

Personally, I'd say the method to solve most of it would be if Google
made posting to Usenet a "premium" service - Charge $5.00 a month or
something like that - A good percentage of ko0ks would never pay for
a public posting account, since it would identify them. (Or there
would be warrant-able records that would identify them)

We just lost a large NSP who was charging less than $5 a month, which
suggests that the market wouldn't even support enough subscribers for
Google to cover their billing cost.