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David Bernier

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:57 am

Guest

Cow Tse Tung wrote:
[...]

Quote:

When is the last time that a UDP actually accomplished anything
useful?

The threat of a UDP was enough for @Home to crack down on spammers in
early 2000. There have been UDPs or UDP threats since then.

For the Excite@Home saga, cf.:

<
http://groups.google.com.au/group/news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins/msg/b9e534da452e7bc5

Quote:

and later posts in Jan. 2000 in the unmoderated

news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.

David Bernier

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William Elliot

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:27 am

Guest

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Patti Beadles wrote:

Quote:

In article <fu0o9r$6vm$2@posting2.glorb.com>, WindsorFox <SS> wrote:

AFAIK you have to use the web form for Google to do anything about it.

My experience has been that even if you use the web form,
Google won't do anything about it. Even if what you say is
true, though, they're asking for complaints to groups-abuse@
in their headers, so they should be handling that.

(650) 253-0000 is their office number.

They tell me the same thing, that I have to use a form to complain about
Google goosing us. Although, if you a particualr Goosle proddick in
mind, then they would likely have refered me to that proddick department.
So what the heck, call and give them some spam. Me thinks I'll call and
ask help about using the Goosle Groups proddick. How come I can't find
any on topic posts?

William Elliot

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:36 am

Guest

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, David Bernier wrote:

Quote:

When is the last time that a UDP actually accomplished anything
useful?

What's the address for UDP (Usenet Death Prodical)?

Look up UDP with Google and get User Data Protocol.
Do same with Yahoo and get in addition, Usenet Death Policy.

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:17 am

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William Elliot <marsh@hevanet.remove.com> wrote in
news:Pine.BSI.4.58.0804150027490.2208@vista.hevanet.com:

Quote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, David Bernier wrote:

When is the last time that a UDP actually accomplished anything
useful?

What's the address for UDP (Usenet Death Prodical)?

Look up UDP with Google and get User Data Protocol.
Do same with Yahoo and get in addition, Usenet Death Policy.

You should look up "Usenet Death Penalty"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/U/Usenet-Death-Penalty.html

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/I/Internet-Death-Penalty.html
" [Usenet] (often abbreviated IDP) The ultimate sanction against spam-
emitting sites — complete shunning at the router level of all mail and
packets, as well as Usenet messages, from the offending domain(s). Compare
Usenet Death Penalty, with which it is sometimes confused."

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please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

bz+nanae@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu

WindsorFo

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:23 am

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Patti Beadles wrote:

Quote:

Well I have done both and when sending email the the abuse address
in the headers I received a boiler plate reply saying essentially they
really don't care but if you really want them to take action resend the
complaint using the web for. I've experienced it several times and I
have had several Google accounts removed for abuse and I have had quite
a few posts removed from the archive that contain personal information.
How many accounts/posts have you had removed by sending an email to the
abuse address??

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illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it
is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

David Bernier

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:26 pm

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Markem wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:57:39 -0400, David Bernier
david250@teranews.com> wrote:

I forget all that comes before that, but I think NNTP-admins at the problem
place must be informed that they're causing a nuisance.

Thanks for the answers, me I am a retired from being an electronic
tech. So I have no information as to whom to contact, where to say
what I think. Troubleshooting is what I am really good at, that does
me no good though in this.

I know how my computer works below chip level though.

Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618

David Ritz did a lot of the work with the intent to justify UDPs in past
years,
including the announced UDP against @Home in 2000;
that UDP notice was lifted in mid-January 2000.

This past January, Ritz was fined in a civil court case brought against
him by an ISP.
The court is a District court for the State of North Dakota ( = the
trial court).
Generally, I think an appeal from a state district court would first
go to a state appellate court; from there, it might be appealed to
the state supreme court; from there, it might be appealed to
a United States District court (a Federal court, as opposed to
a court of some state of the Union); and so on.

I won't comment on the case; that would be asking for trouble.

There was a story in the U.K. Register, and the opinion (or ruling) is
linked to there
in a PDF file:

< http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/anti_spam_activist_lawsuit/ >

David

Cow Tse Tung

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:29 am

Guest

In article <e4713$480451cb$9811@news.teranews.com>, David
Bernier says...

Quote:

Cow Tse Tung wrote:
[...]

When is the last time that a UDP actually accomplished anything
useful?

The threat of a UDP was enough for @Home to crack down on spammers in
early 2000. There have been UDPs or UDP threats since then.

Eight years ago? Sadly, usenet has ... degenerated ... a bit
since then.

BTW, is there still a Googler on the Big 8 Management Board?
Why not address the concerns to him?

<B8MBi froup added>

Quote:

For the Excite@Home saga, cf.:

http://groups.google.com.au/group/news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins/msg/b9e534da452e7bc5

and later posts in Jan. 2000 in the unmoderated
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.

David Bernier

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until I was told to go stand in one"
.....Grace Slick

K. A. Cannon

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:28 am

Guest

Cow Tse Tung <chairmancovv@hotmail.com> posted
<MPG.226f910ac60c72a698afcb@notbxpats.edu> in
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet on Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:29:32 -0700:

Quote:

In article <e4713$480451cb$9811@news.teranews.com>, David
Bernier says...

Cow Tse Tung wrote:
[...]

When is the last time that a UDP actually accomplished anything
useful?

The threat of a UDP was enough for @Home to crack down on spammers in
early 2000. There have been UDPs or UDP threats since then.

Eight years ago? Sadly, usenet has ... degenerated ... a bit
since then.

BTW, is there still a Googler on the Big 8 Management Board?
Why not address the concerns to him?

B8MBi froup added

The Big Eight Management Board does not read news.groups.
They do read news.groups.proposals, a moderated group, and your
inquiry would be off topic there.

The only way to get Google to care is to get their attention.
That is very hard to do considering the current state of Usenet and
how it is contracting.

Quote:

K. A. Cannon
kcannon at insurgent dot org
(change the orgy to org to reply)

Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
It's already tomorrow in Australia.
-Charles Schultz

COOSN-266-06-02374
Hammer of Thor, April 2005
PIERRE SALINGER MEMORIAL HOOK, LINE & SINKER June 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle X 2
#9 People ruining UseNet lits.
#6 Top Assholes on the Net lits.
#5 Most hated Usenetizens of all time
#15 AUK psychos and felons lits
#5 Cog in the AUK Hate Machine

Steve Bonine

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:01 pm

Guest

K. A. Cannon wrote:

Quote:

The Big Eight Management Board does not read news.groups.

I found it rather ironic that the immediately previous article in
news.groups was a response to a post from someone on the board.

Doug McLaren

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:35 pm

Guest

In article <fu55q2$4ar$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
K. A. Cannon <kcannon@insurgent.orgy> wrote:

| The Big Eight Management Board does not read news.groups.

Most of the members of the B8MB do at least skim over news.groups,
though they may have certain authors and threads killfiled.

--
Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."

JT's Ghost

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:38 pm

Guest

Steve Bonine wrote:

Quote:

K. A. Cannon wrote:

The Big Eight Management Board does not read news.groups.

I found it rather ironic that the immediately previous article in
news.groups was a response to a post from someone on the board.

Any chance of either of you helping out with the problem? Perhaps maybe
a pointer in the right direction.

- JT
just asking

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not between right and wrong." - Carl Jung

Dave Sill

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:52 pm

Guest

JT's Ghost wrote:

Quote:

Any chance of either of you helping out with the problem? Perhaps maybe
a pointer in the right direction.

What was the problem?

-Dave

Aratzio

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:27 pm

Guest

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:52:37 -0400, in the land of news.groups, Dave
Sill <dave@sill.org> got double secret probation for writing:

Quote:

JT's Ghost wrote:

Any chance of either of you helping out with the problem? Perhaps maybe
a pointer in the right direction.

What was the problem?

B8MB not having a clue.

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K. A. Cannon

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:20 pm

Guest

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:38:50 GMT, JT's Ghost
<justatroll@mad.scientist.com> wrote:

Quote:

Steve Bonine wrote:

K. A. Cannon wrote:

The Big Eight Management Board does not read news.groups.

I found it rather ironic that the immediately previous article in
news.groups was a response to a post from someone on the board.

Any chance of either of you helping out with the problem? Perhaps maybe
a pointer in the right direction.

Call Larry Page and Sergey Brin.
Expect your phone call to be recorded, archived and then keep in a
searchable database for eternity.

Google does not care...contrary to what certain Google shills will
tell you.

A UDP will not work against Google.

--
K. A. Cannon
kcannon at insurgent dot org
(change the orgy to org to reply)

COOSN-266-06-02374
Hammer of Thor, April 2005
PIERRE SALINGER MEMORIAL HOOK, LINE & SINKER June 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle X 2
#9 People ruining UseNet lits.
#6 Top Assholes on the Net lits.
#5 Most hated Usenetizens of all time
#15 AUK psychos and felons lits
#5 Cog in the AUK Hate Machine

William Elliot

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:14 am

Guest

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, K. A. Cannon wrote:

Quote:

Any chance of either of you helping out with the problem? Perhaps maybe
a pointer in the right direction.

Call Larry Page and Sergey Brin.
Expect your phone call to be recorded, archived and then keep in a
searchable database for eternity.

Google does not care...contrary to what certain Google shills will
tell you.

A UDP will not work against Google.

Why?

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