on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:





Hello,

It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.

As such, will you tell:-

How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?

Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?

Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.

Best wishes.

That is just it.  The immune system does not want to make the mistake of
killing the host.  In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
cells.  In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in
search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello,

It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.

As such, will you tell:-

How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?

Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?

Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.

Best wishes.

Hello,

It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.

As such, will you tell:-

How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?

Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?

Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.

Best wishes.

on 4/10/08 9:31 AM Kumar said the following:





On Apr 10, 5:37 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:

Hello,
It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.
As such, will you tell:-
How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
Best wishes.
That is just it.  The immune system does not want to make the mistake of
killing the host.  In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
cells.  In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in
search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as
odd cells & so immune system is not followed?

If we study following link  which indicates that iron withholding do
occur on neoplasm.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm

In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not
recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking
here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune
defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be
obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these,
though weakly.

I am not saying no part of the immune system recognizes wayward cells.
But I see much more promise going the epigenetic route for applicable
cancers and using nano tech to deliver anti-cancer drugs more precisely.
  But all avenues of research are good and may we have a good toolkit in
the coming years at reasonable cost to knock most cancers out.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:





Hello,

It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.

As such, will you tell:-

How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?

Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?

Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.

Best wishes.

Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.

The best to you.

Kelley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Apr 10, 5:37 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following:





Hello,
It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.
As such, will you tell:-
How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
Best wishes.
That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of
killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune
system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human
cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in
search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them.
Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as
odd cells & so immune system is not followed?

If we study following link which indicates that iron withholding do
occur on neoplasm.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm

In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not
recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking
here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune
defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be
obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these,
though weakly.

on 4/10/08 9:55 PM Kumar said the following:





On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,
It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.
As such, will you tell:-
How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
Best wishes.
Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.

The best to you.

Kelley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.

Does A -> B or is B just associated with A?  That is the nut to crack.
The old cop defence "Well, I thought he was pointing a gun at me so I
shot him to death".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:





Hello,
It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.
As such, will you tell:-
How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
Best wishes.
Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.

The best to you.

Kelley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.

On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:



On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.

As such, will you tell:-

How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?

Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?

Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.

Best wishes.

Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.

The best to you.

Kelley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.

On Apr 11, 6:45 pm, Dan <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote:
on 4/10/08 9:55 PM Kumar said the following:





On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.
As such, will you tell:-
How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
Best wishes.
Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.
The best to you.
Kelley- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.
Does A -> B or is B just associated with A? That is the nut to crack.
The old cop defence "Well, I thought he was pointing a gun at me so I
shot him to death".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

???

on 4/10/08 9:55 PM Kumar said the following:





On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,
It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.
As such, will you tell:-
How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
Best wishes.
Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.

The best to you.

Kelley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071219142056.htm- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:





On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.

As such, will you tell:-

How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?

Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?

Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.

Best wishes.

Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.

The best to you.

Kelley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.

Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:





Hello,
It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.
As such, will you tell:-
How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?
Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?
Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.
Best wishes.
Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.

The best to you.

Kelley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.

On Apr 12, 12:18 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:



On Apr 10, 9:55 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 11, 7:43 am, Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not
be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also
aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer
cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be
mistaken.

As such, will you tell:-

How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells
are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them?

Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is
cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated?

Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of
other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during
various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated.

Best wishes.

Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of
getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and
frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful
against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and
anti-cancer properties.

The best to you.

Kelley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As normal cells become cancer cells, there can be delay in immune
defence response. I wany to check how and when immune defence is able
to recognize cancer cells and start working against them.

Normal cells don't become cancer cells. Cancer cells are trophoblast
cells. With the correct pH they remain inactive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Trophoblasts are invasive, eroding, and metastasizing cells of the
placenta.

Trophoblasts mediate the implantation of the embryo into the
endometrium, but they are **never incorporated into the mother's body
or the fetus. They are not "fetal" cells.**

Trophoblasts become inert during pregnancy and are completely rejected
by the fetus and mother at delivery. They can be seen as the thin
membrane covering the fetus at birth, thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast"

**How they can?