On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:32:25 -0700, the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com wrote:

On Apr 15, 12:22 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:08:44 -0700, the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 5:14 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 12:18 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:52 am, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n- Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:35 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:19 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone
know what type of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest
tax credit when tax time rolls around in 2009? Thanks for
any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
The Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets around 21mpg. Can't get
close to beating that.
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the
environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated
into the vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta
diesel gets 52mpg and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels
because they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip
and get better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons. When
Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
yes there is.
no there isn't.
When you don't listen, it needs to be brought to your attention.
Listen?
First of all, this chat room uses text so the proper term would be
"read".
Second, I brought something to your attention, but didn't have such a
weak point that I felt the need to be rude.
You should get older before you get on the chat boards.
a.
And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.

If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.

"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for your
future embarrassment.

I just thought you'd want to know.

Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:32:25 -0700, the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com wrote:

On Apr 15, 12:22 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:08:44 -0700, the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 5:14 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 12:18 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:52 am, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n- Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:35 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:19 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone
know what type of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest
tax credit when tax time rolls around in 2009? Thanks for
any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
The Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets around 21mpg. Can't get
close to beating that.
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the
environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated
into the vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta
diesel gets 52mpg and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels
because they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip
and get better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons. When
Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
yes there is.
no there isn't.
When you don't listen, it needs to be brought to your attention.
Listen?
First of all, this chat room uses text so the proper term would be
"read".
Second, I brought something to your attention, but didn't have such a
weak point that I felt the need to be rude.
You should get older before you get on the chat boards.
a.
And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.

If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.

"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for
your
future embarrassment.

I just thought you'd want to know.


I would like to susbscribe to this blog.

Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:32:25 -0700, the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com wrote:

On Apr 15, 12:22 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:08:44 -0700, the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 5:14 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 12:18 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:52 am, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n- Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:35 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:19 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone
know what type of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest
tax credit when tax time rolls around in 2009? Thanks for
any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
The Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets around 21mpg. Can't get
close to beating that.
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the
environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated
into the vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta
diesel gets 52mpg and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels
because they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip
and get better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons. When
Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
yes there is.
no there isn't.
When you don't listen, it needs to be brought to your attention.
Listen?
First of all, this chat room uses text so the proper term would be
"read".
Second, I brought something to your attention, but didn't have such a
weak point that I felt the need to be rude.
You should get older before you get on the chat boards.
a.
And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.

If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.

"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for
your
future embarrassment.

I just thought you'd want to know.


I would like to susbscribe to this blog.

The Toilet Paper is stuck to your ass and leads a trail back to the
bathroom.... you might want to check that.

Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:32:25 -0700, the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com wrote:

On Apr 15, 12:22 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:08:44 -0700, the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 5:14 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 12:18 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:52 am, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n- Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:35 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:19 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone
know what type of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest
tax credit when tax time rolls around in 2009? Thanks for
any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
The Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets around 21mpg. Can't get
close to beating that.
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the
environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated
into the vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta
diesel gets 52mpg and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels
because they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip
and get better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons. When
Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
yes there is.
no there isn't.
When you don't listen, it needs to be brought to your attention.
Listen?
First of all, this chat room uses text so the proper term would be
"read".
Second, I brought something to your attention, but didn't have such a
weak point that I felt the need to be rude.
You should get older before you get on the chat boards.
a.
And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.

If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.

"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for
your
future embarrassment.

I just thought you'd want to know.


I would like to susbscribe to this blog.



The Toilet Paper is stuck to your ass and leads a trail back to the
bathroom.... you might want to check that.

In rec.sport.football.college Poetic Justice <@http://poetic-justice.talk-n-dog.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:32:25 -0700, the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com wrote:

On Apr 15, 12:22 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:08:44 -0700, the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 5:14 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 12:18 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:52 am, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n- Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:35 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:19 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone
know what type of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest
tax credit when tax time rolls around in 2009? Thanks for
any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
The Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets around 21mpg. Can't get
close to beating that.
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the
environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated
into the vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta
diesel gets 52mpg and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels
because they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip
and get better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons. When
Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
yes there is.
no there isn't.
When you don't listen, it needs to be brought to your attention.
Listen?
First of all, this chat room uses text so the proper term would be
"read".
Second, I brought something to your attention, but didn't have such a
weak point that I felt the need to be rude.
You should get older before you get on the chat boards.
a.
And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.

If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.
"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for
your
future embarrassment.

I just thought you'd want to know.

I would like to susbscribe to this blog.

The Toilet Paper is stuck to your ass and leads a trail back to the
bathroom.... you might want to check that.

He's in alabama, so the "bathroom" is outside.

rich
OUCH

On Apr 16, 12:34 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:32:25 -0700, the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 15, 12:22 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:08:44 -0700, the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 5:14 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 12:18 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:52 am, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Poetic Justice
@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:35 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:19 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone
know what type of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest
tax credit when tax time rolls around in 2009? Thanks for
any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
The Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets around 21mpg. Can't get
close to beating that.
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the
environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated
into the vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta
diesel gets 52mpg and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels
because they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip
and get better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons. When
Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
yes there is.
no there isn't.
When you don't listen, it needs to be brought to your attention.
Listen?
First of all, this chat room uses text so the proper term would be
"read".
Second, I brought something to your attention, but didn't have such a
weak point that I felt the need to be rude.
You should get older before you get on the chat boards.
a.
And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.
If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.
"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for your
future embarrassment.

I know I'm not *IN* a chat room. But I am using one. It's at
http://groups.google.com

I'm not sure what an NNTP port is.

I just thought you'd want to know.

Thanks!

a.

And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.
If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.
"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for your
future embarrassment.

I know I'm not *IN* a chat room. But I am using one. It's at
http://groups.google.com

I'm not sure what an NNTP port is.

WE KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote

And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.
If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.
"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for your
future embarrassment.
I know I'm not *IN* a chat room. But I am using one. It's at
http://groups.google.com

I'm not sure what an NNTP port is.

Network News Translation Protocol. Each protocol has it's
own port designation.

WE KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think what's confusing him is that google's chat room connects
to the usenet.

--Tedward

And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.
If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.
"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for your
future embarrassment.
I know I'm not *IN* a chat room. But I am using one. It's at
http://groups.google.com

I'm not sure what an NNTP port is.

Network News Translation Protocol. Each protocol has it's
own port designation.


sounds sort of right....

But if your browser is set at the address http://talkndog.com:2080 the 2080 port..... http port TCP/IP protocol on your browser
which is standard internet port 80 unless you use (:81) colon to change it to 81 or some other number or https= port 441, I think
describing ports as maybe like doors into your computer and some are already used for specific functions works to help understand.
HTTP=80 HTTPS=441 (FTP=21? I forget) NNTP=119 POP=110

So you could set a server to serve on port 2010 and then unless you tell your browser to use http://talkndog.com:2010 you will
never see it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Vehicle_Drivetrains#Types_by_degr...

Just because the damned things have the "capability" of going 15 mph
for .5 miles as long as you don't intend to do anything silly like
accelerate away from a stop light with the engine off does NOT mean
that that needs to be figured in the mileage estimates, in fact it is
INCLUDED in the estimates as given!

Who said otherwise? However, there are times that the Prius is NOT
burning
fuel are NOT "always buring fuel" as you claimed and apparently now
admit!

Failing to burn fuel every second does not imply that you didn't
burn fuel for every inch you move. You just burned the fuel 30
seconds before you actually used it.

Failing to burn fuel every second means it's NOT "always burning fuel" as
you claimed.

I KNOW what the drivetrains look
like, and FWIW, with only 10 times the battery capacity, and a serious
code rewrite, the prius would be capable of being an absolutely shitty
PHEV.
Is Toyota marketing the Prius as a PHEV?
No, but you are describing it as one.
I've done no such thing.

That is a gimmick, not a transit regime. In any serious
transit regime,
Just what the hell is a "serious transit regime"? Hybrids get better
mileage in the city as opposed to highway, which many would consider a
serious transit regime. I think that what constitutes a "serious transit
regime" is in the eye of the beholder. The Prius is an excellent
commuter
car or even a family car.
City driving is a serious transit regime, and you will note that
toyota measures it in MPG!
So? The Prius gets its best MPG in city driving. So the Prius gets its
best mileage in a "serious transit regime".

the prius and every other "hybrid" on the market the
damned things use fuel ALL THE TIME!
Well, that's clearly not true! Have you ever ridden or driven a Prius?
Clearly there are times when the engine is not running and thus not using
fuel "ALL THE TIME!" as you claimed!
Again, the only input is fuel, if it's moving it's because it
burned fuel.
therefore, it's burning fuel all the time, even when it
pretends to not be.

So it's burning fuel all the time even when the engine is shut off? Say at
a stoplight or in heavy traffic at a standstill? Even overnight when it's
parked in the garage? Your "logic" is ludicrous!

Not only that, but the energy
that the thing runs on when it is running "on batteries" was generated
by the ICE in the first place!
Or by braking, going downhill, etc.. However, no one is saying that the
energy is absolutely free only that hybrids like the Prius are very
efficient on using that energy, trying to waste little and recover what
they
can as opposed to simply throwing it away as heat, such as in braking.

The *RECOVERY* of the fuel burned in accelerating (regenerative
braking), and fuel burned in climbing hills (coasting gains) is NOT
NEW ENERGY!

Who said otherwise?

You burned gasoline to make that kinetic energy.
And you recovered some of it! So?

Of course, who here is saying otherwise? However, in the mean time the
hybrids like the Prius are very good.
They are a small improvement that fails to pay for itself in
economic terms. In my experience anything that fails to pay for
itself economically also fails to pay for itself environmentally.

If it's not economical it's not good for the environment? That's an
interesting but ludicrous interpretation.

The PHEV will make a meaningful difference in fuel
consumption and be better for the environment,
They Prius is about the cleanest practical car on the road today.
delusions.
How so? How many cleaner practical cars are on the road today? Please cite
how many there are and how they're cleaner & more practical?

"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote

And third, this isn't a "chat board", it's a newsgroup. Lurk before
you leap.
I'm pretty sure I'm typing in the google groups chat board.
If I wanted newsgroups, I would go to google news.
"Google groups" is actually accessing Usenet, the NNTP port 119 service.
You're not in a chat room, your posts are being publicly archived for your
future embarrassment.
I know I'm not *IN* a chat room. But I am using one. It's at
http://groups.google.com

I'm not sure what an NNTP port is.
Network News Translation Protocol. Each protocol has it's
own port designation.

sounds sort of right....

But if your browser is set at the address http://talkndog.com:2080 the 2080 port..... http port TCP/IP protocol on your browser
which is standard internet port 80 unless you use (:81) colon to change it to 81 or some other number or https= port 441, I think
describing ports as maybe like doors into your computer and some are already used for specific functions works to help understand.
HTTP=80 HTTPS=441 (FTP=21? I forget) NNTP=119 POP=110

So you could set a server to serve on port 2010 and then unless you tell your browser to use http://talkndog.com:2010 you will
never see it.

I clicked on that link and I got an error. I hope that's not a
malware site.

--Tedward

Well that makes sense. But when they aren't buring fuel, they are
running on current, which doesn't use fuel and is better for the
environment.

They are always burning fuel. They never run on current. That's
what we have been trying to drill into your head.

I think you're confusing "Full Hybrid" vs. "Hybrid Assist". Full
hybrid
systems are quite capable of running entirely on their electric
motors,
whereas the assist types only use the electric motor as a boost or an
assistance and are incapable of running on the electric motors alone.
Examples of Full hybrids are the Prius & Ford Escape. An example of
the
latter would be the Honda Civic hybrid which does require the engine
to
run
to power the vehicle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Vehicle_Drivetrains#Types_by_degr...

Just because the damned things have the "capability" of going 15 mph
for .5 miles as long as you don't intend to do anything silly like
accelerate away from a stop light with the engine off does NOT mean
that that needs to be figured in the mileage estimates, in fact it is
INCLUDED in the estimates as given!

Who said otherwise? However, there are times that the Prius is NOT
burning
fuel are NOT "always buring fuel" as you claimed and apparently now
admit!

Failing to burn fuel every second does not imply that you didn't
burn fuel for every inch you move. You just burned the fuel 30
seconds before you actually used it.

I KNOW what the drivetrains look
like, and FWIW, with only 10 times the battery capacity, and a serious
code rewrite, the prius would be capable of being an absolutely shitty
PHEV.

Is Toyota marketing the Prius as a PHEV?

No, but you are describing it as one.

That is a gimmick, not a transit regime. In any serious
transit regime,

Just what the hell is a "serious transit regime"? Hybrids get better
mileage in the city as opposed to highway, which many would consider a
serious transit regime. I think that what constitutes a "serious transit
regime" is in the eye of the beholder. The Prius is an excellent
commuter
car or even a family car.

City driving is a serious transit regime, and you will note that
toyota measures it in MPG!

the prius and every other "hybrid" on the market the
damned things use fuel ALL THE TIME!

Well, that's clearly not true! Have you ever ridden or driven a Prius?
Clearly there are times when the engine is not running and thus not using
fuel "ALL THE TIME!" as you claimed!

Again, the only input is fuel, if it's moving it's because it
burned fuel.

therefore, it's burning fuel all the time, even when it
pretends to not be.

Not only that, but the energy
that the thing runs on when it is running "on batteries" was generated
by the ICE in the first place!

Or by braking, going downhill, etc.. However, no one is saying that the
energy is absolutely free only that hybrids like the Prius are very
efficient on using that energy, trying to waste little and recover what
they
can as opposed to simply throwing it away as heat, such as in braking.

The *RECOVERY* of the fuel burned in accelerating (regenerative
braking), and fuel burned in climbing hills (coasting gains) is NOT
NEW ENERGY!

You burned gasoline to make that kinetic energy.

The hybrids that produce real results will be the ones where the ICE
is not even connected to the drivetrain and the entire system is run
off battery power with the ICE strapped on as a simple range
extender.

Of course, who here is saying otherwise? However, in the mean time the
hybrids like the Prius are very good.

They are a small improvement that fails to pay for itself in
economic terms. In my experience anything that fails to pay for
itself economically also fails to pay for itself environmentally.

The PHEV will make a meaningful difference in fuel
consumption and be better for the environment,

They Prius is about the cleanest practical car on the road today.

delusions.

the current publicity
stunts are nothing more than suckers bets suitable only for pizza
delivery drivers.

Well when the PHEV's are available then many of the people who own Prius
or
in the market for one will flock to buy them. However, in the mean
time.........

no debate there.

I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone know what type
of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest tax credit when tax time
rolls around in 2009?

Thanks for any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!

Lloyd wrote:
On Apr 14, 4:52 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
bill wrote:
On Apr 14, 1:30 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote:
"bill" <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not ahybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybridmeans that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle.Hybriddoes not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.
here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.
Now, when the PHEV (Plug inHybridElectric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.
I thought some of the hybrids recharged their batteries when coasting
or braking.
--Tedward
They do, regenerative braking is 60% of the advantage that is gained
from going to ahybriddesign. Some even shut off the engine during
that time (if you have the A/C off or in "econ" mode), but when they
accelerate again, the batteries only assist the ICE in accelerating
the car. So I guess there are a few times when the vehicle is moving
and NOT consuming fossil fuels (coasting, braking), but those
represent a very small percentage of the total mileage driven, so they
just go into the mix of the MPG.
And none have 12 hours of continuous battery that could get you the
equivalent of 52mpg with the air conditioner and at 70 - 80 mph.

I am sometimes short with people that are wrong, when I tell them they
are wrong and they don't bother to do a 30 second google search to
investigate, but instead whine that I'm all wrong.

"I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel"

First.... all vehicles use fuel, battery cars use
coal,NatGas,Diesel,Nuclear.... converted to electric, then stored by
charging the battery.

Plus energy from regenerative braking.

right... how could I miss all that "free" energy. 12 hours on a flat
interstate will get you to that 52mpg equivalent.

A simplehybridsearch will inform someone that ahybridisn't a 100%
battery powered vehicle.

Which is why they're called hybrids and not electric cars.

That's why I explained it twice.

They cost more than a normal car, they are
complicated and repairs will be costly,

No evidence of that. And with an 8-year/100,000 mile warranty on the
Prius' hybrid components, it'll be a long time before anybody knows
that.

Except that a warranty only covers certain items on the vehicle.

Then
there is the fact that some people drive 24,000 a year that makes it a 4
year warranty for some.

Hey buy one.... I'm OK with you spending your
money on what ever you want.

even a battery powered vehicle
needs to charge which shows up on your electric bill and if that is a
coal fired electric plant you still used carbon fuel.

They do, regenerative braking is 60% of the advantage that is gained
from going to ahybriddesign. Some even shut off the engine during
that time (if you have the A/C off or in "econ" mode), but when they
accelerate again, the batteries only assist the ICE in accelerating
the car. So I guess there are a few times when the vehicle is moving
and NOT consuming fossil fuels (coasting, braking), but those
represent a very small percentage of the total mileage driven, so they
just go into the mix of the MPG.

And none have 12 hours of continuous battery that could get you the
equivalent of 52mpg with the air conditioner and at 70 - 80 mph.

I am sometimes short with people that are wrong, when I tell them they
are wrong and they don't bother to do a 30 second google search to
investigate, but instead whine that I'm all wrong.

"I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel"

First.... all vehicles use fuel, battery cars use
coal,NatGas,Diesel,Nuclear.... converted to electric, then stored by
charging the battery.

Plus energy from regenerative braking.

Which energy was previously produced by BURNING GASOLINE! It is
NOT new energy, it is an efficiency tweak.

A simple hybrid search will inform someone that a hybrid isn't a 100%
battery powered vehicle.

Which is why they're called hybrids and not electric cars.

Then nitwits should STOP talking about "driving them on
batteries".

They cost more than a normal car, they are
complicated and repairs will be costly,

No evidence of that. And with an 8-year/100,000 mile warranty on the
Prius' hybrid components, it'll be a long time before anybody knows
that.

By which we mean next year. The first prii were sold in 2000.