"bill" <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote



You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -

I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.

When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.

Please quit making yourself look so stupid.

There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.

here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.

Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.

I thought some of the hybrids recharged their batteries when coasting
or braking.

--Tedward

On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:35 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:19 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone know what type
of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest tax credit when tax time
rolls around in 2009?
Thanks for any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
The Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets around 21mpg. Can't get close to beating
that.
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.

That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.

a.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get

Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

bill wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone know what type
of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest tax credit when tax time
rolls around in 2009?

Thanks for any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
keep driving the car you have now. save your money for a phev when
they come out. why switch from 28 to 38 now when you can wait 2-4
years and switch to 100+.


You're living in a dream world. 2-4 years? LOL Maybe in a socialist
country, but not in America.

-JC

Talk about delusional, under socialism, it is
a wonder more than half the people have indoor johns
and running water.

Whata Fool wrote:
Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

bill wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone know what type
of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest tax credit when tax time
rolls around in 2009?

Thanks for any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
keep driving the car you have now. save your money for a phev when
they come out. why switch from 28 to 38 now when you can wait 2-4
years and switch to 100+.


You're living in a dream world. 2-4 years? LOL Maybe in a
socialist country, but not in America.

-JC

Talk about delusional, under socialism, it is
a wonder more than half the people have indoor johns
and running water.

Do you suppose that under socialized medicine, that you will sit next to
Hillary Clinton in the ER waiting for a doctor?

On Apr 14, 1:24 pm, bill <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote:



You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -

I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.

When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.

Please quit making yourself look so stupid.

There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.

here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.

Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.

I'm not misinformed, he's just not good at math.

Here's an example:
The Prius gets about 50 MPG. When you turn on the batteries, even if
the engine is half working, that's 75 MPG for the engine.

a.

You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -

I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.

When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.

Please quit making yourself look so stupid.

There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.

here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries".

You cannot run them on
grid electricity.

That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.

Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.

On Apr 14, 1:30 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote:



"bill" <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote

You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -

I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.

When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.

Please quit making yourself look so stupid.

There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.

here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.

Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.

I thought some of the hybrids recharged their batteries when coasting
or braking.

--Tedward

They do, regenerative braking is 60% of the advantage that is gained
from going to a hybrid design. Some even shut off the engine during
that time (if you have the A/C off or in "econ" mode), but when they
accelerate again, the batteries only assist the ICE in accelerating
the car. So I guess there are a few times when the vehicle is moving
and NOT consuming fossil fuels (coasting, braking), but those
represent a very small percentage of the total mileage driven, so they
just go into the mix of the MPG.
No, the Toyotas (and Nissan, which licenses Toyota design), run on

On Apr 14, 2:36 pm, bill <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 14, 1:30 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote:

"bill" <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote

You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -

I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.

When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.

Please quit making yourself look so stupid.

There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.

here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.

Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.

I thought some of the hybrids recharged their batteries when coasting
or braking.

--Tedward

They do, regenerative braking is 60% of the advantage that is gained
from going to a hybrid design. Some even shut off the engine during
that time (if you have the A/C off or in "econ" mode), but when they
accelerate again, the batteries only assist the ICE in accelerating
the car. So I guess there are a few times when the vehicle is moving
and NOT consuming fossil fuels (coasting, braking), but those
represent a very small percentage of the total mileage driven, so they
just go into the mix of the MPG.

No, the Toyotas (and Nissan, which licenses Toyota design), run on
batteries alone at times -- starting out, for example, which is an
acceleration.

bill wrote:
On Apr 14, 1:30 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote:
"bill" <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote

You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.
here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.
Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.
I thought some of the hybrids recharged their batteries when coasting
or braking.

--Tedward

They do, regenerative braking is 60% of the advantage that is gained
from going to a hybrid design. Some even shut off the engine during
that time (if you have the A/C off or in "econ" mode), but when they
accelerate again, the batteries only assist the ICE in accelerating
the car. So I guess there are a few times when the vehicle is moving
and NOT consuming fossil fuels (coasting, braking), but those
represent a very small percentage of the total mileage driven, so they
just go into the mix of the MPG.

And none have 12 hours of continuous battery that could get you the
equivalent of 52mpg with the air conditioner and at 70 - 80 mph.

I am sometimes short with people that are wrong, when I tell them they
are wrong and they don't bother to do a 30 second google search to
investigate, but instead whine that I'm all wrong.

"I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel"

First.... all vehicles use fuel, battery cars use
coal,NatGas,Diesel,Nuclear.... converted to electric, then stored by
charging the battery.

A simple hybrid search will inform someone that a hybrid isn't a 100%
battery powered vehicle. They cost more than a normal car, they are
complicated and repairs will be costly, even a battery powered vehicle
needs to charge which shows up on your electric bill and if that is a
coal fired electric plant you still used carbon fuel.

On Apr 14, 9:52 am, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:35 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:19 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone know what type
of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest tax credit when tax time
rolls around in 2009?
Thanks for any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
The Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets around 21mpg. Can't get close to beating
that.
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -

I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.

When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.

You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -

I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.

When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.

Please quit making yourself look so stupid.

There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.

here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.

Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.

bill wrote:
On Apr 14, 4:52 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
bill wrote:
On Apr 14, 1:30 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote:
"bill" <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.
here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.
Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.
I thought some of the hybrids recharged their batteries when coasting
or braking.
--Tedward
They do, regenerative braking is 60% of the advantage that is gained
from going to a hybrid design. Some even shut off the engine during
that time (if you have the A/C off or in "econ" mode), but when they
accelerate again, the batteries only assist the ICE in accelerating
the car. So I guess there are a few times when the vehicle is moving
and NOT consuming fossil fuels (coasting, braking), but those
represent a very small percentage of the total mileage driven, so they
just go into the mix of the MPG.
And none have 12 hours of continuous battery that could get you the
equivalent of 52mpg with the air conditioner and at 70 - 80 mph.

I am sometimes short with people that are wrong, when I tell them they
are wrong and they don't bother to do a 30 second google search to
investigate, but instead whine that I'm all wrong.

"I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel"

First.... all vehicles use fuel, battery cars use
coal,NatGas,Diesel,Nuclear.... converted to electric, then stored by
charging the battery.

A simple hybrid search will inform someone that a hybrid isn't a 100%
battery powered vehicle. They cost more than a normal car, they are
complicated and repairs will be costly, even a battery powered vehicle
needs to charge which shows up on your electric bill and if that is a
coal fired electric plant you still used carbon fuel.

Well. Actually, when the PHEVs come out in bulk, they figure to be
simpler and lower maintenance than conventional drivetrains. Electric
motors are WAY lower maintenance than ICEs and the battery packs will
need to be recyclable. so there's hope there that things won't keep
getting worse. Of course, the PHEV is fundamentally an electric car
with the ICE bolted on to extend range and make the fundamentally
useless electric car into an actual usable vehicle.

With the PHEVs of course will come a real need for a MAJOR electrical
grid upgrade, which will probably be nuclear power since there really
isn't a viable other choice, so that'll be a significant reduction in
the carbon footprint of a driven mile.

Even with nuclear.... you only get 20 - 50 miles on battery before the
generator has to come online to keep you going, so you want to build a
nuclear plant rather than using the already functioning coal plant so
that people can go the first 25 miles in the morning without creating a
carbon foot print.

Those cold mornings at -2(F) with no in car heat and running on battery
will be damn cold and slow when you find that batteries don't produce as
many amps when the temperature dips below zero.

On Apr 14, 1:30 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote:
"bill" <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote



You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.
here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.
Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.
I thought some of the hybrids recharged their batteries when coasting
or braking.

--Tedward

They do, regenerative braking is 60% of the advantage that is gained
from going to a hybrid design. Some even shut off the engine during
that time (if you have the A/C off or in "econ" mode), but when they
accelerate again, the batteries only assist the ICE in accelerating
the car. So I guess there are a few times when the vehicle is moving
and NOT consuming fossil fuels (coasting, braking), but those
represent a very small percentage of the total mileage driven, so they
just go into the mix of the MPG.

On Apr 14, 12:18 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:52 am, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:35 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:19 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 11:09 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm going to buy a hybrid vehicle in 2008. Does anyone know what type
of hybrid vehicle will get me the biggest tax credit when tax time
rolls around in 2009?
Thanks for any useful information. Trolls and other ner-do-wells
should stop and consider any hurtful replies!
The Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets around 21mpg. Can't get close to beating
that.
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.

There's really no call for rudeness.

On Apr 14, 4:52 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
bill wrote:
On Apr 14, 1:30 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote:
"bill" <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote
You are being silly yes? I get 20mpg with a caravan.
But it's not a hybrid, therefore not as efficient for the environment.
Hybrid means that it has more than one technology integrated into the
vehicle. Hybrid does not mean efficient. The Jetta diesel gets 52mpg
and that's better than some hybrids.
That's nice and all. But hybrids are better than the diesels because
they use less fuel.
name one that will go on a continuous 12 hour interstate trip and get
better than 52mpg.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel.
Please quit making yourself look so stupid.
There's really no call for rudeness.
Batteries aren't measured by the gallon. They're measured by the amp
hour.
here's the thing. the current generation of hybrids are parallel
hybrids. That means that any time they are moving, the ICE is burning
fuel, they are NEVER running "on batteries". You cannot run them on
grid electricity. That means that the best comparison between
vehicles is MPG. The deisels have a slightly unfair advantage in that
regard due to the extra energy contained in the fuel, they can be
equally thermally efficient and still get more MPG due to the extra.
Now, when the PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) hits the market
(there is none currently available for sale) THEN we can start talking
about running "on batteries" and the amp hour storage of the batteries
will become relevant. However, until that time... Well, you posts
have indicated that you are seriously misinformed. Some here tend to
be rude under those conditions.
I thought some of the hybrids recharged their batteries when coasting
or braking.
--Tedward
They do, regenerative braking is 60% of the advantage that is gained
from going to a hybrid design. Some even shut off the engine during
that time (if you have the A/C off or in "econ" mode), but when they
accelerate again, the batteries only assist the ICE in accelerating
the car. So I guess there are a few times when the vehicle is moving
and NOT consuming fossil fuels (coasting, braking), but those
represent a very small percentage of the total mileage driven, so they
just go into the mix of the MPG.
And none have 12 hours of continuous battery that could get you the
equivalent of 52mpg with the air conditioner and at 70 - 80 mph.

I am sometimes short with people that are wrong, when I tell them they
are wrong and they don't bother to do a 30 second google search to
investigate, but instead whine that I'm all wrong.

"I'm not sure why you keep making these MPG comparisons.
When Hybrids run on batteries they don't even use fuel"

First.... all vehicles use fuel, battery cars use
coal,NatGas,Diesel,Nuclear.... converted to electric, then stored by
charging the battery.

A simple hybrid search will inform someone that a hybrid isn't a 100%
battery powered vehicle. They cost more than a normal car, they are
complicated and repairs will be costly, even a battery powered vehicle
needs to charge which shows up on your electric bill and if that is a
coal fired electric plant you still used carbon fuel.

Well. Actually, when the PHEVs come out in bulk, they figure to be
simpler and lower maintenance than conventional drivetrains. Electric
motors are WAY lower maintenance than ICEs and the battery packs will
need to be recyclable. so there's hope there that things won't keep
getting worse. Of course, the PHEV is fundamentally an electric car
with the ICE bolted on to extend range and make the fundamentally
useless electric car into an actual usable vehicle.

With the PHEVs of course will come a real need for a MAJOR electrical
grid upgrade, which will probably be nuclear power since there really
isn't a viable other choice, so that'll be a significant reduction in
the carbon footprint of a driven mile.