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Rich Grise
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:38 pm
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On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:42:42 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote:
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Jonathan Montoya wrote:
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I thougt I'd make a kind of a 'manual' word processor. You could type
a
page, it would store the text info, and you could print it back. I
wonder
if I can't adapt an X Y solution under the keyboard if the solenoids
are
too cumbersome.

I think it has 45 keys, I'll have to count again tonight.

So put the button-pusher in a box that can register its position to the
typewriter, so you can easily lift it away.

I still vote for robot hands that look like hands, probably because I'm
not the one who has to make it work...

I envision this, and the idea of a pair of disembodied hands (and maybe
forearms) seems like it would look a little creepy, like some of the
"mechanisms" in "Animusic": http://www.animusic.com/

But it would be fun, if you have a proper machine shop and stuff. :-)

I'm thinking solenoids like from an old "ding-dong" doorbell, or from
a pinball machine. I was once going to buy 88 "drop target reset"
solenoids to electrify my piano, but the approx. $3.00 a pop price tag
kind of slowed me down on that.

With a jig and some proper cores you could make them yourselves, but
there must be solenoids on the market somewhere.

And yes, I think it's a cool idea, also using it for input, albeit
then you'd need to figure out how to mount all those contacts.

Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:42 pm
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On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:56:43 -0700, Jonathan Montoya wrote:
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On Apr 7, 11:20 am, Mike Silva <snarflem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 7, 11:37 am, Jonathan Montoya <lonlaza...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, I've done a couple microcontroller projects, but otherwise I'm
pretty new to electronics.  I recently bought an antique typewriter
that I'd like to automate for fun.  My idea is that I could mount
solenoids under each key(which are essentially levers that push up on
some rods) and pull down with the same force that it would take press
key.  I haven't measured how much force is necessary yet, and the
stroke is probably about an inch.

Before I started doing some expirements, I wanted to ask the experts
to see if this is at all feasable.  Would solenoids be the best way to
do this? I picked them because they seemed like they'd better be able
to simulate the fast sharp action needed to get the antique key to
impress the ink on the paper.  Will I be able to jam 50 or so of these
parallel and under the keys (given that they'll be mounted under a
desk or something like it), or will the size for the work needed
require more creative mounting?  And, am I assuming correctly that I'd
have to make these myself, since they probably have speifications
different from what most solenoids are made for?

I appreciate any guidance I can get.

Wow, deja vu!  I wanted to do this in about 1980, and I think I even
bought a load of surplus solenoids to do it, but never went beyond
that.  Instead I bought a dot-matrix printing mechanism, built a
driver board and made a printer driven by my Z-80 CP/M system.  Hint
on that one - buy lots of extra printhead pins to replace the ones you
break while debugging the software!

Theoretically it is certainly possible.  If you use stiff wires or
rods between the keys and the solenoids that should make your physical
construction a lot easier.  And make sure your power supply, drivers
and circuitry can all handle the current spikes (and resultant
noise).  Use a short-timeout watchdog or gate the firing pulses with
an external signal (555?) to assure that you don't hold a solenoid
down too long by mistake.  Make sure all your solenoid drivers power
up in the OFF state (imagine all 50 trying to fire on power-up!).

And be sure and post a video to youtube when you've got it
working. Smile- Hide quoted text -

Heh, look for it on You Tube in about 15 years. ;)


Nah. If you've got the parts and access to a decent shop, you could
slap something like this together in just a few months, assuming you
already have the micro and know how to program it. :-)

Cheers!
Rich
Ecnerwal
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:24 pm
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Quote:
Hi, I've done a couple microcontroller projects, but otherwise I'm
pretty new to electronics.  I recently bought an antique typewriter
that I'd like to automate for fun.  My idea is that I could mount
solenoids under each key(which are essentially levers that push up on
some rods) and pull down with the same force that it would take press
key.  I haven't measured how much force is necessary yet, and the
stroke is probably about an inch.

Should be easy enough to fit - just remember that you can use longer and
shorter rods to connect the solenoids to the keys, so all 45 don't need
to be in the same vertical plane - then you should have plenty of room.
You might consider pushing at the far end - depending on the layout,
that may provide better spacing, as those are often arranged in a radial
pattern, so things would fan out.

You may have an interface problem for manual use, however - I think the
solenoid space is going to eat up the knee room for sitting at the thing.

It's definitely in the crazed project zone, given the relative ease of
getting the same result out of an electronic typewriter, if the
typewritten (and automatically typewritten) aspect was more important
than the antique manual (but not manual) typewriter. So long as you
recognize that going in, crazed projects are OK. Enjoy yourself. I'd
seriously consider starting with a Selectric(tm), but it would be a very
different end result.

The automated hands would be a very interesting and artistic approach.

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