Imagine someone who was so OCD that when at home they spent all day
messing with appliance controls to ensure that the thermostat was
properly set, the stove was turned off, etc.  He makes an appointment
to see Dr. Phil who proceeds to dose him with enough Luvox to stun
an elephant while slapping him around and chanting propaganda slogans
at him to treat his OCD.  Then the guy gets a job at a nuclear
reactor and he is required to spend all day messing with controls
and worrying about whether a particular switch is on or off.

The same exact OCD symptoms that get him diagnosed as mentally ill in
one situation get him the Employee-of-the-Month award in the other
situation.

defined as a professional work ethic and employees would be drugged
with crystal meth to induce it.

=======================================================================> "The concept of 'mental health' in our society is defined largely by
the extent to which an individual behaves in accord with the needs
of the system and does so without showing signs of stress."

"Suppose a biological treatment is discovered that, without undesirable
side-effects, will greatly reduce the psychological stress from which
so many people suffer in our society.  If large numbers of people choose
to undergo the treatment, then the general level of stress in society
will be reduced, so that it will be possible for the system to increase
the stress-producing pressures."

-- Industrial Society and Its Future
=========================================================================

Imagine someone who was so OCD that when at home they spent all day
messing with appliance controls to ensure that the thermostat was
properly set, the stove was turned off, etc.  He makes an appointment
to see Dr. Phil who proceeds to dose him with enough Luvox to stun
an elephant while slapping him around and chanting propaganda slogans
at him to treat his OCD.  Then the guy gets a job at a nuclear
reactor and he is required to spend all day messing with controls
and worrying about whether a particular switch is on or off.

The same exact OCD symptoms that get him diagnosed as mentally ill in
one situation get him the Employee-of-the-Month award in the other
situation.

Imagine someone who was so OCD that when at home they spent all day
messing with appliance controls to ensure that the thermostat was
properly set, the stove was turned off, etc. He makes an appointment
to see Dr. Phil who proceeds to dose him with enough Luvox to stun
an elephant while slapping him around and chanting propaganda slogans
at him to treat his OCD. Then the guy gets a job at a nuclear
reactor and he is required to spend all day messing with controls
and worrying about whether a particular switch is on or off.

The same exact OCD symptoms that get him diagnosed as mentally ill in
one situation get him the Employee-of-the-Month award in the other
situation.

Okay...(breathe)..... Dank, I don't know your posting history, and
I don't see anything particularly callous about this posting, so my
following is not directed toward you. It is written so that and with
the intensity that is needed to convey what MUST be comprehended,
internalized, and seared into the minds of anyone dealing with or
concerned about or
learning or treating or living with OCD...

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO ADAPTIVE OR SITUATIONALLY OPTIMUM
OR APPROPRIATE OR NECESSARY OR FUNCTIONAL CONTEXT FOR OBSESSIVE
COMPULSIVE DISORDER!!!!!!!!!!

It is *never* a useful attribute. It is NEVER a function of any
survival instinct. It is nothing that ANY supervisor would EVER wish
to have to manage for ANY salary.

You can be diligent and hardworking and thorough and neat and
orderly and careful and complete and productive

OR

You can be anxious and repetitious and procrastinating and late
and timid and manipulable and scared of your own shadow and
ritualistic and inflexible and neurotic and nervous and unproductive
and never, ever, ever, ever finished - much less finished on time or
with any sense of context or perspective or satisfaction or serenity
or team or confidence.

The first scenario does NOT NOT NOT describe OCD. It
describes a person who seems to have learned to take pride in his/her
work and to GET IT DONE and on time.

The second scenario - and don't doubt it, it is a firsthand
account! - describes the impossibly frustrating and hopeless and
ambition-crushing, panicked, treadmill hell that is unmanaged OCD.

Please - PLEASE be cognizant and observant of the difference,
as it is as vast and vivid as life and death.

-stan

Stan, you are mixing OCD and Obsessive Compulsive *Personality*
Disorder together. They are two separate entities. People with OCD are
not necessarily procrastinating and manipulative; those are traits of
the personality disorder, and they are not necessarily frequent
companions.

Methinks you need a new work environment.

Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote...
Methinks you need a new work environment.

My job requires ADD/ADHD symptoms to be considered productive.
There
rarely is time to complete a single task uninterrupted, and Ritalin-
induced focus would be detrimental to operations.

Other jobs require the opposite - a mental and physical focus on
your
assigned task so intense that you are happy to sit in a cubicle and
compose status reports all day.

Other jobs require the opposite - a mental and physical focus on
your
assigned task so intense that you are happy to sit in a cubicle and
compose status reports all day.


Which Ritalin wouldn't induce in my experience.

J. Clarke wrote...
Other jobs require the opposite - a mental and physical focus on
your
assigned task so intense that you are happy to sit in a cubicle and
compose status reports all day.


Which Ritalin wouldn't induce in my experience.

One day they'll invent a drug that induces true happiness and which
makes employees content to do whatever tedious monotonous task
they're assigned. Companies will subject employees to random drug
tests to ensure they aren't abusing any illegal recreational drugs
and also to ensure they are taking their "medication" to treat
their unproductivity disorder.

dank wrote...
One day they'll invent a drug that induces true happiness and which
makes employees content to do whatever tedious monotonous task
they're assigned. Companies will subject employees to random drug
tests to ensure they aren't abusing any illegal recreational drugs
and also to ensure they are taking their "medication" to treat
their unproductivity disorder.


Nod. And they'll cut out large portions of people's brains to make
them more zombie-like and accepting of their proper role in life. And
they'll have machines which provide minimal nutrients, hydration, and
even relief from transient sexual urges via a form of short term
chemical castration, all at exceptionally low cost.

John Palmer wrote...
dank wrote...
One day they'll invent a drug that induces true happiness and
which
makes employees content to do whatever tedious monotonous task
they're assigned. Companies will subject employees to random drug
tests to ensure they aren't abusing any illegal recreational drugs
and also to ensure they are taking their "medication" to treat
their unproductivity disorder.


Nod. And they'll cut out large portions of people's brains to make
them more zombie-like and accepting of their proper role in life.
And
they'll have machines which provide minimal nutrients, hydration,
and
even relief from transient sexual urges via a form of short term
chemical castration, all at exceptionally low cost.

In some Asian countries factories supply workers with illegal yaba
amphetamine pills to make them work harder. The U.S. Air Force
supplies pilots with legal Dexadrine pills to fight "fatigue" as
they fly for days without sleep.

" It is *never* a useful attribute. It is NEVER a functiono of
any survival instinct. It is nothing that ANY supervisor would EVER

dank wrote:
John Palmer wrote...
dank wrote...
One day they'll invent a drug that induces true happiness and
which
makes employees content to do whatever tedious monotonous task
they're assigned. Companies will subject employees to random drug
tests to ensure they aren't abusing any illegal recreational drugs
and also to ensure they are taking their "medication" to treat
their unproductivity disorder.

Nod. And they'll cut out large portions of people's brains to make
them more zombie-like and accepting of their proper role in life.
And
they'll have machines which provide minimal nutrients, hydration,
and
even relief from transient sexual urges via a form of short term
chemical castration, all at exceptionally low cost.

In some Asian countries factories supply workers with illegal yaba
amphetamine pills to make them work harder. The U.S. Air Force
supplies pilots with legal Dexadrine pills to fight "fatigue" as
they fly for days without sleep.

There are few missions in the Air Force that last for "days" and don't
allow two crews. Go pills are generally used on single-crew missions
longer than 12 hours. And they won't keep you going forever.

marcia wrote...
Stan, you are mixing OCD and Obsessive Compulsive *Personality*
Disorder together. They are two separate entities. People with OCD are
not necessarily procrastinating and manipulative; those are traits of
the personality disorder, and they are not necessarily frequent
companions.