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Candide
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:08 pm
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"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <YoydnWkk_pc2YmbanZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Norminn <norminn@earthlink.net> wrote:


Would it be fair to ask whether students aiming for nursing
management
take business, management
and econ? The degree should be fashioned for the career objective.
I
wish I could have taken
piano in place of organic chem Surprised)
Maybe not. I was turned down for an administrative nursing job
once because I did not have a BSN. I guess my BS in Public
Administration and my Masters in Health Administration were just
pieces
of paper. The job description said I had to have a BSN and by God
nothin' was getting in their way ....

Have never understood this recent trend on insisting on nursing service
administrators have BSN degrees. But guess the days when "Head Nurses",
"Nursing Supervisors", and "Directors of Nursing" were chosen from ranks
of nurses (two and four year versions) based upon job skills and
performance has long since passed.
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:50 am
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Candide wrote:
Quote:
Oh well now that would bother me as well. "To, Two, and Too" were
covered in first grade, there is no reason for any adult in the English
speaking world to confuse the three.


She had an excuse: she's from West Virginia. I found that out after I asked her
if she knew how West Virginians initiated foreplay: "Hey Sis... are you up?"

Oops.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:30 am
Guest
Candide wrote:
Quote:
Have never understood this recent trend on insisting on nursing service
administrators have BSN degrees. But guess the days when "Head Nurses",
"Nursing Supervisors", and "Directors of Nursing" were chosen from ranks
of nurses (two and four year versions) based upon job skills and
performance has long since passed.


We still have a few on occasion who go up the ranks but for the most part those
of us with ADNs are stuck. But that's OK; it gives me what I perceive as the
moral high ground. I *am* a nurse. I *do* nursing at the bedside. Always
have, seems like I always will. But there will never be any doubt in anybody's
mind about whether I'm a *real* nurse.

Apologies to all those upon whose toes I just smashed into a gooey mess. <G>




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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:32 am
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cat wrote:
Quote:
Sorry about that, my spell check insists on making that correction, and
do not always prevent the substitution.

I turn off all spell checks. I do a better job.


With Outlook Express, I have the option of accepting a correction or even adding
a new word to my lexicon. There ain't no "insist" to it. (I's be from North
Carolina... we's don't talk all that much better than West Virginians but at
least we let our sisters sleep all night.)



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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:23 am
I find this trend disheartening, as a soon to be ADN graduate. I have
a 4 year degree in business administration and I would hope that the
combinations of my degrees would make me as qualified if not more than
a fellow nurse with a BSN. This has brought an interesting situation
to light for me, as I intend to go into management. I don't intend to
go into management in the traditional nursing sense as a final goal,
but that was one of the rungs of the ladder that I was planning to be
on.

It is unfortunate that nursing is an area where more help is needed
and less resources and in this case opportunities are being provided.


___
Camilla Ringler LPN-soon to be RN
Candide
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:36 pm
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<camilla_ringler@mywitcc.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I find this trend disheartening, as a soon to be ADN graduate. I have
a 4 year degree in business administration and I would hope that the
combinations of my degrees would make me as qualified if not more than
a fellow nurse with a BSN. This has brought an interesting situation
to light for me, as I intend to go into management. I don't intend to
go into management in the traditional nursing sense as a final goal,
but that was one of the rungs of the ladder that I was planning to be
on.

It is unfortunate that nursing is an area where more help is needed
and less resources and in this case opportunities are being provided.


___
Camilla Ringler LPN-soon to be RN

Don't be so down, there are still opportunities out there for good ADN
grads, just that more and more positions both on and off the
floors/units (mainly off) are calling for the BSN.

Remember again, the BSN was developed to basically be an
"administrative" nurse who would do the planning, managing and
evaluating of care, while ADNs , LPNs and various techs and NAs carried
things out. In many situations today due to the nursing shortage that
pretty much is what one sees: a RN doing the planning/managing, along
with functions mandated by law can only be carried out by a nurse, while
NAs do the grunt work. It is the only way to stretch the number of RNs
in some areas.

Not to be nosy, but did you consider a BS to BSN program since you
already had a four year degree?

Keep your head up, and congrats on your soon to be graduation.

Candide
Norminn
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:09 pm
Guest
camilla_ringler@mywitcc.com wrote:

Quote:
I find this trend disheartening, as a soon to be ADN graduate. I have
a 4 year degree in business administration and I would hope that the
combinations of my degrees would make me as qualified if not more than
a fellow nurse with a BSN. This has brought an interesting situation
to light for me, as I intend to go into management. I don't intend to
go into management in the traditional nursing sense as a final goal,
but that was one of the rungs of the ladder that I was planning to be
on.

It is unfortunate that nursing is an area where more help is needed
and less resources and in this case opportunities are being provided.


___
Camilla Ringler LPN-soon to be RN


Desperation will prompt more incentives for nurses one of these days -

it won't be long. I sent
my favorite canditate an email today with some thoughts about nursing.

In the meantime, don't be discouraged. You have a great plus and there
will be great opportunities.
I have known some great nurses, but they don't tend to be good
managers. Nurses and biz are
polar opposites but the need for a combination is only going to grow.
Bean counters just want to
count hours, and to hell with nursing care. A nurse who counts beans
knows where to put them Surprised)
Candide
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:33 pm
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"Norminn" <norminn@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
camilla_ringler@mywitcc.com wrote:

I find this trend disheartening, as a soon to be ADN graduate. I
have
a 4 year degree in business administration and I would hope that the
combinations of my degrees would make me as qualified if not more
than
a fellow nurse with a BSN. This has brought an interesting situation
to light for me, as I intend to go into management. I don't intend
to
go into management in the traditional nursing sense as a final goal,
but that was one of the rungs of the ladder that I was planning to
be
on.

It is unfortunate that nursing is an area where more help is needed
and less resources and in this case opportunities are being provided.


___
Camilla Ringler LPN-soon to be RN


Desperation will prompt more incentives for nurses one of these days -
it won't be long. I sent
my favorite canditate an email today with some thoughts about nursing.

In the meantime, don't be discouraged. You have a great plus and
there
will be great opportunities.
I have known some great nurses, but they don't tend to be good
managers. Nurses and biz are
polar opposites but the need for a combination is only going to grow.
Bean counters just want to
count hours, and to hell with nursing care. A nurse who counts beans
knows where to put them Surprised)

Your comment reminds of an episode of that old television series
"Trapper John, M.D.", where the head nurse (one of the main characters,
played by a once famous band singer), gets promoted upstairs to the DON
position, and basically hates the job.

Despite having a huge office (with views), and getting out of uniform &
cap, the woman missed being down on the floors. Her replacement as head
nurse wasn't having such a great time of it either. Apparently
scheduling and the other duties of a head nurse seemed easy from those
on the outside looking in, but there was more to the job than many
including the new HN realised. In the end all is well as the former HN
returns to her former position, graciously vacated by the previous
occupant who happily went back to her staff position.

Candide
 
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