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Harlan Messinger
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:23 am
Guest
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
Quote:
On 4 апр, 02:17, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

As far as I can make out
from the authorities, sir really _is_ cognate with sour, and caseus is
from the same root as kiseo (though more closely related to "kvass").

What a pity Ross that you do not try to use your own brain instead of
consulting "authority" all the time.

This from the guy who is perpetually frustrated because no one will
consider him an authority.
Harlan Messinger
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:55 am
Guest
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
Quote:
On 4 апр, 13:23, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net
wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 02:17, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
As far as I can make out
from the authorities, sir really _is_ cognate with sour, and caseus is
from the same root as kiseo (though more closely related to "kvass").
What a pity Ross that you do not try to use your own brain instead of
consulting "authority" all the time.
This from the guy who is perpetually frustrated because no one will
consider him an authority.

I didn't know Ross is so deeply and "perpetually" frustrated?!!!!

The remark to which I was responding wasn't *from* Ross, it was from

you. Can't you read?
Duan Vukoti
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:35 am
Guest
On Apr 4, 2:55 pm, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 13:23, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net
wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 02:17, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
As far as I can make out
from the authorities, sir really _is_ cognate with sour, and caseus is
from the same root as kiseo (though more closely related to "kvass").
What a pity Ross that you do not try to use your own brain instead of
consulting "authority" all the time.
This from the guy who is perpetually frustrated because no one will
consider him an authority.

I didn't know Ross is so deeply and "perpetually" frustrated?!!!!

The remark to which I was responding wasn't *from* Ross, it was from
you. Can't you read?

OK... You responded to me about Ross' frustration.

DV
Duan Vukoti
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:20 pm
Guest
On Apr 4, 11:47 pm, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:55 pm, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 13:23, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removet....@comcast.net
wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 02:17, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug..co.nz> wrote:
As far as I can make out
from the authorities, sir really _is_ cognate with sour, and caseus is
from the same root as kiseo (though more closely related to "kvass").
What a pity Ross that you do not try to use your own brain instead of
consulting "authority" all the time.
This from the guy who is perpetually frustrated because no one will
consider him an authority.
I didn't know Ross is so deeply and "perpetually" frustrated?!!!!
The remark to which I was responding wasn't *from* Ross, it was from
you. Can't you read?

OK... You responded to me about Ross'  frustration.

Yes, to a comment *FROM* *you*. Are you having trouble with prepositions?

Not at all... but... are you not willing to _propose_ a certain
treatment for Ross and his "perpetually" frustrated soul?

DV
benlizro@ihug.co.nz
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:43 pm
Guest
On Apr 5, 11:20 am, Dušan Vukotić <dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 4, 11:47 pm, Harlan Messinger



hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:55 pm, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 13:23, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removet....@comcast.net
wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 02:17, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
As far as I can make out
from the authorities, sir really _is_ cognate with sour, and caseus is
from the same root as kiseo (though more closely related to "kvass").
What a pity Ross that you do not try to use your own brain instead of
consulting "authority" all the time.
This from the guy who is perpetually frustrated because no one will
consider him an authority.
I didn't know Ross is so deeply and "perpetually" frustrated?!!!!
The remark to which I was responding wasn't *from* Ross, it was from
you. Can't you read?

OK... You responded to me about Ross' frustration.

Yes, to a comment *FROM* *you*. Are you having trouble with prepositions?

Not at all... but... are you not willing to _propose_ a certain
treatment for Ross and his "perpetually" frustrated soul?

DV

Hey, DV, I'm not frustrated, OK?
I use my brain _and_ consult authorities every day. That's how
linguistics is done.
Now stop annoying Harlan and show us some more word-garlands.

Ross Clark
Duan Vukoti
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:54 pm
Guest
On Apr 5, 12:43am, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

Quote:
I use my brain

I am glad to hear it!

DV
Harlan Messinger
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:47 pm
Guest
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 4, 2:55 pm, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 13:23, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net
wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 02:17, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
As far as I can make out
from the authorities, sir really _is_ cognate with sour, and caseus is
from the same root as kiseo (though more closely related to "kvass").
What a pity Ross that you do not try to use your own brain instead of
consulting "authority" all the time.
This from the guy who is perpetually frustrated because no one will
consider him an authority.
I didn't know Ross is so deeply and "perpetually" frustrated?!!!!
The remark to which I was responding wasn't *from* Ross, it was from
you. Can't you read?

OK... You responded to me about Ross' frustration.

Yes, to a comment *FROM* *you*. Are you having trouble with prepositions?
Guest
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:48 pm
On Apr 2, 12:30 pm, Duan Vukoti

<dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Lat. oxygala (sour milk) is phonetically very similar to the Serbian
word kiseljenje (acidification);

No it isn't.. as explained below...

Quote:
according to the Xur-Bel-Gon theory
both of these words (oxygala, kiseljenje) are derived from the same
basis - Xur-Gon-Bel.

In which case your theory is wrong.

Quote:
It means that the earliest forms of kiselo (sour)
and oxygala could have sounded as xur-g-(b)-ljene and that both words
were also related to Latin sorbeo (to suck in, drink, swallow) as well
as Serbian ikljanje (gush).

No, they are not.
'Kiselis' is a slow cooked compote made of cranberries in Latvian - it
is 'tart' - not 'sour'.
(It is also a traditional (and very nice) Latvian dessert.)

And 'siekals' is 'saliva' in Latvian.
The extrended attribute of 'gushing' could be inferred - but not your
opposite concept of
'absorption'.

Quote:
In this case the two conspicuous phonetic laws are observable:
1. The elision of the sound -r- from the Xur-Gon-Bel basis.
2. A total assimilation of the sound -b- by the following -l-

Yes, of course... "Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and
caldron bubble.."

Quote:
Consequently, the English word cheese could be compared to the Serbian
adjective kiseo (sour),

Wrong.

Quote:
..while English sour could be equated to Serbian
sir (cheese).

No.. again wrong..
Serbian cheese 'sir' can be equated to Latvian 'cheese' - which is
'sirs'..

Neither are related to Engish 'sour'.
'Sour' appears to be derived from some cognate of Latvian 'suuris' -
which means 'sour'. (OED
revisions required)
Latv. 'sirs' is not directly related to Ltv. 'suuris'.
Ltv. 'suuris' is the most primary genetic relative to English 'sour'
that I have been able to find.
(Find a better one if you can)

Quote:
We can see that the ur-syllable Xur has retained the
sound -r- in the words sir (cheese) and sour (Serb. sirenje curdle*).

Maybe *you* can.. but you are special. "Fire burn, and caldron
bubble.."

Quote:
There is a Serbian adjective sirov (rude, crude, raw), which is also
derived from the above-mentioned Xur-Gon-Bel basis (Serb. sirovina /
staple, raw material/).

It would be interesting to compare Serbian words sirovina (staple; Xur-
Gon-Bel-Gon) and the noun crpljenje (depletion) and verb crpeti (drain
the liquid from).

'Sirovino' does not look to not be related to 'crpljenje' or verb
'crpeti' in any way at all.

Quote:
These words are semantically clearly related to each-
other and they appeared to be akin to Latin exa-cerbo (to make worse;
cf. Serbian is-crpljen exhausted).

1) 'Sirovina' is not related to any other above listed word.

2) 'Exacerbate' does not appear to be related to either 'sirovino' or
to the root 'crpet':
"1582, from L.L. exacerbationem (nom.exacerbatio), from L. exacerbare
"exasperate,
irritate," from ex- "thoroughly" + acerbus "harsh, bitter," from acer
"sharp, keen" (see
acrid). "

What you *may* have been looking for was the Latin 'exactor' - meaning
'impellor'.
But that is not cognate with the Serb. 'crpet' in anyway.
Why? Because the Serb. 'crpet' has to have the same origin as Baltic
Latvian 'krapt' - meaning
'to steal'.
And the closest Latin analog can only be Latin 'corruptio' - meaning
'to steal'.

Quote:
*English crude is related to Serbian gruda (clod, clot); cf. Serb. z-
gruda(v)ati (curdle). In addition, Serb. gruda is akin to English hard
and earth.

Again you are wrong. Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Your industry is applaudable - but your methodology is wretchedly
erroneous... it's extremely bad.

English 'crude' is derived from Latin 'Crudelis' - raw or bloody - not
'granular'.

And 'grain' itself only appears from c.1315 and is related to L.
granum "seed"

The best fit that exists between Latin 'granum' (seed) and medieval
'grain' - and which also encompasses the idea of granularity - is a
root that encompasses meanings of both 'seed' and 'granularity'...

And (unless some Slavic root exists) the only dual-use root that looks
applicable seems to be Baltic 'grauda' - meaning 'seed' and 'grain'.


Quote:
DV
Anyone - who believes that he can rebut the effectiveness of my Xur-
Bel-Gon theory - is welcome to try his skills!

I think I just did... and it was too easy.
Duan Vukoti
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:12 pm
Guest
On Apr 5, 8:48 am, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 2, 12:30 pm, Du¹an Vukotiæ

dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
Lat. oxygala (sour milk) is phonetically very similar to the Serbian
word kiseljenje (acidification);

No it isn't.. as explained below...

according to the Xur-Bel-Gon theory
both of these words (oxygala, kiseljenje) are derived from the same
basis - Xur-Gon-Bel.

In which case your theory is wrong.

It means that the earliest forms of kiselo (sour)
and oxygala could have sounded as xur-g-(b)-ljene and that both words
were also related to Latin sorbeo (to suck in, drink, swallow) as well
as Serbian ¹ikljanje (gush).

No, they are not.
'Kiselis' is a slow cooked compote made of cranberries in Latvian - it
is 'tart' - not 'sour'.
(It is also a traditional (and very nice) Latvian dessert.)

You are unable to see that Lat. sorbeo is derived from the same basis
as acerbo (to make bitter, to aggravate) and Serb. crpeti (draw,
deplete, exhaust) and that basis was Xur-Bel-Gon; cf. Russ. сербать/
serbatь (slurp), Eng. slurp (MHG sürpfeln, sürfeln) and ML.
sorbillare. There are a lot of IE words that were derived from the
above basis, including the names of large groups of people, known
today as Slavs (Slavonic), Serbs (Serbian; Srblji, Srbin), (H)Romans
and Germans (from celebration, celebrity; Ger. Ruhm /OHG hrôm, hroam,
hruom/; Serb. slava; from sur(b)livati => su(r)livati => slivati/
zalivati/sliti wash down, suffuse, melt down); the words related to
sorbillare and slurp, MHG sürfeln).

DV
Duan Vukoti
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:58 am
Guest
On Apr 5, 8:48 am, lorad...@cs.com wrote:

Quote:
No, they are not.
'Kiselis' is a slow cooked compote made of cranberries in Latvian - it
is 'tart' - not 'sour'.
(It is also a traditional (and very nice) Latvian dessert.)

Lituanian surūgęs (sour; Latv. sarūgt) is, of course, related to
English sour. These Baltic words sound almost the same as Serbian
surutka (whey). Latvian siers and Lithuanian sūris (cheese) clearly
show that suris (cheese) is a product obtained from SOUR milk. In
Slavic the word "sir" (Russ. сыр; Czech sýr cheese) is distantly
related to the word "zora" (dawn; Russ. заря; Pol. zorza dawn ) and
the verbs "zoriti" (to dawn) and zreti (to ripe; Russ. зреть; Cz.
zrání ripening; Serb. zrenje ripening). A sort of solide clot made of
whey (Serb. surutka) is named "zarnjak" in Serbian; as you see it is
close to the above-mentioned Slavic words "zorenje" (dawning) and
"zrenje" (ripening; cf. Lith. aušra dawn and aštrus /sharp, ripe/;
Latv. aust means dawn, weave and break /terminate/).

You appeared to be uninformed even when your Baltic languages are in
question. Have you ever heard for the Lithuanian word gaižus (sour)
and Latvian gāzt (pour); both related to German gießen (pour, gush)
and Serbian kisnuti (to be in the raine). kišiti, kiša (rain); cf.
Serb. kisiti (to be acid, sour). These words clearly show that Serbian
šikljanje (gush) is related to kiseljenje (to make sour).

DV

- Linguistics is a serious science... don't you know it?
Guest
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:30 am
On 5 huhti, 00:47, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:55 pm, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 13:23, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removet....@comcast.net
wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 02:17, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug..co.nz> wrote:
As far as I can make out
from the authorities, sir really _is_ cognate with sour, and caseus is
from the same root as kiseo (though more closely related to "kvass").
What a pity Ross that you do not try to use your own brain instead of
consulting "authority" all the time.
This from the guy who is perpetually frustrated because no one will
consider him an authority.
I didn't know Ross is so deeply and "perpetually" frustrated?!!!!
The remark to which I was responding wasn't *from* Ross, it was from
you. Can't you read?

OK... You responded to me about Ross' frustration.

Yes, to a comment *FROM* *you*. Are you having trouble with prepositions?

Now you probably know what I meant by saying that a Vukotic class kook
is able to turn his very defeats into victories.
Duan Vukoti
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:16 am
Guest
On Apr 5, 1:41pm, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net>

Quote:
You are unable to see that Lat. sorbeo is derived from the same basis
as acerbo (to make bitter, to aggravate) and Serb. crpeti (draw,
deplete, exhaust) and that basis was Xur-Bel-Gon;

In the same sense that he is unable to see that 2 + 2 = 5. Once again,
you rely not on proving anything but on imploring people to share your
imagination

Are you able to say anything concrete instead of repeating the same
"mantra" constantly?
I see... you understood nothing of what I was saying. As blind as you
are, you should be a preacher.
Simply, your IQ is too low for a such complex linguistic matter. Even
an ordinary ship-keeping job would be too complicated for your pea
sized brain.

DV
Duan Vukoti
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:14 am
Guest
On Apr 5, 8:48 am, lorad...@cs.com wrote:

Quote:
What you *may* have been looking for was the Latin 'exactor' - meaning
'impellor'.
But that is not cognate with the Serb. 'crpet' in anyway.
Why? Because the Serb. 'crpet' has to have the same origin as Baltic
Latvian 'krapt' - meaning
'to steal'.
And the closest Latin analog can only be Latin 'corruptio' - meaning
'to steal'.

Lithuanian grobti (rob) is the same word as Serbian orobiti (rob; from
h/orob-iti) and both of these words are akin to the Serbian verb
grabiti (grab; Lith. griebti; Latv. grābiens; even the Latvian
prefixed form sa-grābt is the same as Serbian za-grabiti/z-grabiti
seize, catch, grab). It is the truth that Lithvanian language formed
its word "pa-grobti" (steal) from the grab- stem (Eng. grab, Serb.
grabiti), similar to Serbian po-grabiti, raz-grabiti (to seize
something in a wild manner; meaning close to Serb. orobiti (rob). Of
course, you wasn't wrong when you said that Serbian "crpeti" (deplete,
exhaust, wipe out, scoop, draw) is related to the verb
"grabiti" (seize, grab, catch) and "h/orobiti" (rob, plunder, rape);
cf. Serb. zarobljen (enslaved) and rob (slave).

Quote:
English 'crude' is derived from Latin 'Crudelis' - raw or bloody - not
'granular'.

Latin crudelis has the meaning "cruel" and the English cruel and rough
are akin to Serbian grub (rough); all from the above verb grab
(grabiti); cf. Serbian grabljivac and English rapacious (obviously fro
h/rapacious; Lat. rapina /robbery, plunder/; ravine; hence Lat.
raptus /tearing off, plunder, rape, rob/ and ruptor/rumpere /breaker,
violator/= robbery)

Quote:
And 'grain' itself only appears from c.1315 and is related to  L.
granum "seed"

The best fit that exists between Latin 'granum' (seed) and medieval
'grain' - and which also encompasses the idea of granularity - is a
root that encompasses meanings of both 'seed' and 'granularity'...

Try to grasp that L.Latin granulum is a counterpart-word to Serbian
"zrnevlje" (granules) and both of these words are derived from Xur-Gon-
Bel basis (Latv. grans /grain/, granulēt /corn/, Lith. granuliuoti /
grain/). Of course, if you thumbed the Lithuanian dictionary more
carefully, you would see that Lithuanian grūdas (grain) sounds the
same as Serbian gruda (clot, clod). There is the Serbian word grud(v)a
with the same meaning as gruda (clod), where the sound -v- was
inserted afterwards, "replacing" the approximant -w- or the vowel -u-.
Now we can also see that the Serbian noun ugrušak (a lump of blood,
blood clot, clot) and the verb grušati (coagulate, curdle, clot; Serb.
ugrušana krv = curdled blood) are not only related to English crude
but also to Greek κρέας (meat) and another Serbian word - krtina (the
raw /fatless/ meat).

DV
Harlan Messinger
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:41 am
Guest
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 5, 8:48 am, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
On Apr 2, 12:30 pm, Du¹an Vukotiæ

dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
Lat. oxygala (sour milk) is phonetically very similar to the Serbian
word kiseljenje (acidification);
No it isn't.. as explained below...

according to the Xur-Bel-Gon theory
both of these words (oxygala, kiseljenje) are derived from the same
basis - Xur-Gon-Bel.
In which case your theory is wrong.

It means that the earliest forms of kiselo (sour)
and oxygala could have sounded as xur-g-(b)-ljene and that both words
were also related to Latin sorbeo (to suck in, drink, swallow) as well
as Serbian ¹ikljanje (gush).

No, they are not.
'Kiselis' is a slow cooked compote made of cranberries in Latvian - it
is 'tart' - not 'sour'.
(It is also a traditional (and very nice) Latvian dessert.)

You are unable to see that Lat. sorbeo is derived from the same basis
as acerbo (to make bitter, to aggravate) and Serb. crpeti (draw,
deplete, exhaust) and that basis was Xur-Bel-Gon;

In the same sense that he is unable to see that 2 + 2 = 5. Once again,
you rely not on proving anything but on imploring people to share your
imagination.
Harlan Messinger
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:59 am
Guest
Craoibhin66@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On 5 huhti, 00:47, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:55 pm, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 13:23, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net
wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
On 4 апр, 02:17, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
As far as I can make out
from the authorities, sir really _is_ cognate with sour, and caseus is
from the same root as kiseo (though more closely related to "kvass").
What a pity Ross that you do not try to use your own brain instead of
consulting "authority" all the time.
This from the guy who is perpetually frustrated because no one will
consider him an authority.
I didn't know Ross is so deeply and "perpetually" frustrated?!!!!
The remark to which I was responding wasn't *from* Ross, it was from
you. Can't you read?
OK... You responded to me about Ross' frustration.
Yes, to a comment *FROM* *you*. Are you having trouble with prepositions?

Now you probably know what I meant by saying that a Vukotic class kook
is able to turn his very defeats into victories.

Indeed. Since it's so obvious what I was getting at that everyone would
expect that even Dušan could tell what I meant, when Dušan tries to
deflect it by feigning ignorance all he does is show everyone that he's
*trying* to look dumb.
 
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