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Chris Wilson
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:28 pm
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I need to alter some dog kennel panels. They are 1 inch square box section
of about 20 gauge wall thickness forming 6 foot squares, in filled with 10
gauge 2 inch square weldmaesh panels. The ends of the weldmesh wires are
welded to the frame. The assemblies were obviously commercially made, and
hot dip galvanized after manufacture. I need to shorten some panels, and
repair a break in the corner of another, where the square box section is
butt joined. i have gas, MIG and TIG available. What is the best way of
attempting this, due to the thinness of the tube and the awkwardness of so
many wire ends of the mesh grinding off the galvanizing would be very
difficult. Would gas brazing work? Any acids that would remove the
galvanizing locally? Other ideas? Thanks.
Grant Erwin
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:21 pm
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Chris Wilson wrote:

Quote:
I need to alter some dog kennel panels. They are 1 inch square box section
of about 20 gauge wall thickness forming 6 foot squares, in filled with 10
gauge 2 inch square weldmaesh panels. The ends of the weldmesh wires are
welded to the frame. The assemblies were obviously commercially made, and
hot dip galvanized after manufacture. I need to shorten some panels, and
repair a break in the corner of another, where the square box section is
butt joined. i have gas, MIG and TIG available. What is the best way of
attempting this, due to the thinness of the tube and the awkwardness of so
many wire ends of the mesh grinding off the galvanizing would be very
difficult. Would gas brazing work? Any acids that would remove the
galvanizing locally? Other ideas? Thanks.

Just weld it right through the zinc using wirefeed with innershield wire.
If you haven't welded anything zinc-coated in the last few days, wear a
fume respirator which will filter the zinc oxide fumes, or you may experience
mild flu-like symptoms. If that happens, drink some milk (no kidding). After,
spray the weld area with cold galvanizing solution.

Your other option is to rig up a trough filled with either acid (fast) or
lye (slower) and let the solution eat off the zinc locally, then either
get the parts re-dipped (expensive but long lasting) or spray with cold
galvanizing solution after welding.

Grant
rvb
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:17 pm
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:21:10 GMT, Grant Erwin
<grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:

Quote:
Chris Wilson wrote:

I need to alter some dog kennel panels. They are 1 inch square box section
of about 20 gauge wall thickness forming 6 foot squares, in filled with 10
gauge 2 inch square weldmaesh panels. The ends of the weldmesh wires are
welded to the frame. The assemblies were obviously commercially made, and
hot dip galvanized after manufacture. I need to shorten some panels, and
repair a break in the corner of another, where the square box section is
butt joined. i have gas, MIG and TIG available. What is the best way of
attempting this, due to the thinness of the tube and the awkwardness of so
many wire ends of the mesh grinding off the galvanizing would be very
difficult. Would gas brazing work? Any acids that would remove the
galvanizing locally? Other ideas? Thanks.

Just weld it right through the zinc using wirefeed with innershield wire.
If you haven't welded anything zinc-coated in the last few days, wear a
fume respirator which will filter the zinc oxide fumes, or you may experience
mild flu-like symptoms. If that happens, drink some milk (no kidding). After,
spray the weld area with cold galvanizing solution.

Your other option is to rig up a trough filled with either acid (fast) or
lye (slower) and let the solution eat off the zinc locally, then either
get the parts re-dipped (expensive but long lasting) or spray with cold
galvanizing solution after welding.

Grant

Just do like Grant said, respirator or drink a nice big glass of milk.
Otherwise you'll feel sick.

rvb
--
As Iron Sharpens Iron,
So One Man Sharpens Another.
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Leo Lichtman
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:39 pm
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"Grant Erwin" wroe: Just weld it right through the zinc using wirefeed
with innershield wire.
Quote:
If you haven't welded anything zinc-coated in the last few days, wear a
fume respirator which will filter the zinc oxide fumes, (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Grant, please explain why it makes a difference whether you have welded
galvanized material in the last few days.

The product of welding through zinc is zinc oxide, which isn't so much of a
fume as a cob-webby white material that floats in the air, and settles or
blows away. A fan will blow it away from you, but that may not be too good
with gas shielding. Would be fine with flux-core. A paper mask, which won't
handle fumes, is fine for this.
Grant Erwin
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:02 pm
Guest
Leo Lichtman wrote:
Quote:
"Grant Erwin" wroe: Just weld it right through the zinc using wirefeed
with innershield wire.

If you haven't welded anything zinc-coated in the last few days, wear a
fume respirator which will filter the zinc oxide fumes, (clip)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Grant, please explain why it makes a difference whether you have welded
galvanized material in the last few days.

The product of welding through zinc is zinc oxide, which isn't so much of a
fume as a cob-webby white material that floats in the air, and settles or
blows away. A fan will blow it away from you, but that may not be too good
with gas shielding. Would be fine with flux-core. A paper mask, which won't
handle fumes, is fine for this.



Zinc in your body is no big deal. Every multivitamin pill contains zinc. If you
weld on galvanized steel every day you won't get "zinc fever". If you haven't
done it for awhile, though, you will. That's why they used to call it "Monday
fever".

Grant
TinMan
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:33 am
Guest
Hello,
Check this link,
http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/tutor/safety3/index.htm
It has zinc fever explained in some details...
By...
TinMan
Grant Erwin
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:51 am
Guest
TinMan wrote:
Quote:
Hello,
Check this link,
http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/tutor/safety3/index.htm
It has zinc fever explained in some details...
By...
TinMan




What a bunch of baloney. Those guys might be great blacksmiths but
what they entirely missed was that Paw Paw was an old man with
emphysema who died of pneumonia. They of course are hysterically
blaming it on zinc fever. He clearly survived the zinc fever, as
he died weeks later.

Here is a sane and informed paper by the AWS on the subject:

http://files.aws.org/technical/facts/FACT-25.PDF

Grant Erwin
SteveB
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:04 pm
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"TinMan" <tin.man@nemam.mail.koma> wrote in message
news:fsskv6$6gb$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
Quote:
Hello,
Check this link,
http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/tutor/safety3/index.htm
It has zinc fever explained in some details...
By...
TinMan

OSHA name is weld fume fever.

Steve
Private
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:41 pm
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"Grant Erwin" <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote in message
news:4YkIj.1038$at6.846@trndny01...
Quote:
TinMan wrote:
Hello,
Check this link,
http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/tutor/safety3/index.htm
It has zinc fever explained in some details...
By...
TinMan




What a bunch of baloney. Those guys might be great blacksmiths but
what they entirely missed was that Paw Paw was an old man with
emphysema who died of pneumonia. They of course are hysterically
blaming it on zinc fever. He clearly survived the zinc fever, as
he died weeks later.

Here is a sane and informed paper by the AWS on the subject:

http://files.aws.org/technical/facts/FACT-25.PDF

Grant Erwin

Good link, thanks.

When I must weld galvanized material, I only do it outdoors or in a very
well ventilated place. I try hard to only work at arms length and to keep
my head out of the weld plume. I use a large fan if there is not a
substantial breeze. When out side, I make sure that I am upwind and often
also use the fan. I do wear a light respirator that fits under my welding
face mask.

I find that chewing sunflower seeds helps to reduce the common metallic
taste in my mouth.

I have read that research has found that welds made on galvanized material
do benefit from increased corrosion resistance compared to plain steel, but
also have had good luck using high zinc 'cold galvanizing' primer paint.

Be careful, YMMV
Chris Wilson
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:23 pm
Guest
Thanks for the detailed replies everyone, I'll try at the weekend and let
you know how I get on. Could you braze this stuff, with bronze rod and
flux? Would the heat of the welding torch burn off the galvanizing? Thanks
again, great group!
Private
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:48 pm
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"Chris Wilson" <nospam@invalid.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Thanks for the detailed replies everyone, I'll try at the weekend and let
you know how I get on. Could you braze this stuff, with bronze rod and
flux? Would the heat of the welding torch burn off the galvanizing? Thanks
again, great group!


Use CAUTION and good ventilation and keep your head out of the fumes.

I suspect that torch brazing will cause more zinc to be burned than stick or
MIG. Brazing will heat the steel red hot and this will burn the zinc. I
suspect that you will be able to do each these welds much quicker with MIG
and will heat and burn a lot less zinc. I suspect that the break where the
square box section requires (re?) welding repair will be much stronger
welded with full penetration all steel MIG due to the butt weld joint.
Before welding with MIG, I would not bother to try to clean the weld
locations (except the butt weld repair which may need some prep if it has an
old broken weld), just work fast and don't allow too much heat buildup, weld
part of the join and return after cooling if necessary. MIG works well
using short bursts to limit heat buildup.

The real key to this type of repair is to try the easiest process first. If
the MIG doesn't do the job then it will be easier to braze over the failed
MIG than to try to MIG after brazing. YMMV There is no problem trying both
and finishing with the process that works best. Use some high zinc (cold
galvanizing) paint to finish the job.

Good luck, work safely.
 
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