In <ePKAt$AFv19HFw9M@ausi.com>, Peter nospam.a.extend762
@spamgourmet.com said:
: In message <1c6cbf53224ca13cf62d10823ac8b891@remailer.metacolo.com>,
: Anonymous Sender <anonymous@remailer.metacolo.com> writes
: >Linda wrote:
: >> It sure is what the public record says.
:
: >Nope. You're too deluded to have a correct interpretation of the
: >public record.
:
: If you encourage her she will flood the group with her twaddle, bogus
: science, false allegations, harassment.. ...the full spectrum of her
: stupidity. This group will return to normal at some point. How long it
: takes depends on the frequency, duration and intensity of interactions
: with her.

You have more positive outlook for spp than I do, Peter. I think
there will always be at least a few kooks in spp to disrupt the
group and make threats against posters.

Usenet is the court of last resort for kooks, who, because of
their inappropriate behavior, are often banned from web forums
and email lists. Further, spp is the only place on the net where
there is perceived easy access to psychologists.

We've both seen the number of people who have posted over the
years who expect free psychotherapy, or who expect psychologists
to behave with professional demeanor toward them, regardless of
the lack of contract, or the topic under discussion, or the
extremes of their obnoxious behavior.

I think that easy accessability and anonymity make spp selective
for people who have had bad experiences with psychotherapy and
see this group as a good place to act out.

It is selective for
anti-intellectuals (e.g. Frank and nav most recently). It is
selective for trolls.

Psychology has to be one of the least understood of the sciences
in terms of public knowledge and acceptance.

Most people don't
know the difference between psychiatry and psychology, don't
understand the scientific method, and don't know that only a
portion of psychologists are psychotherapists. Some come to
learn, others to fight and remain willfully ignorant in order to
further an emotionally charged agenda.

For spp to become functional again there would have to be a
requirement that all posters maintain their anonymity, and that
trolls and kooks be conscientiously ignored by all. You and I do
not enjoy anonymity, thanks to having been stalked by kooks in
the past. Topical posters would have to outnumber kooks. An spp
FAQ would have to be posted frequently (you and I could develop
a FAQ, after posting here for 10+ years and being familiar with
the questions of newcomers).

Until then - and gosh, it's great to read you again - the kooks
and trolls, while the post count is way down, still inhabit spp.

In <UUuyr6SUE69HFwsr@ausi.com>, Peter nospam.a.extend762
@spamgourmet.com said:
: In message <ft861e$g07$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Kali
: <kali@powder.keg> writes
: >In <pxytiR7mj19HFw5P@ausi.com>, Peter nospam.a.extend762
: >@spamgourmet.com said:
: >: In message <fssish$19q$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Kali
: >: <kali@powder.keg> writes
: >: >In <79f26245-5a65-4a80-92a5-b1c330f95917
: >: >@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, marcia marcia12345.c@gmail.com
: >: >said:
: >: >: On Mar 31, 3:39 pm, Kali <k...@powder.keg> wrote:
: >: >: > In <Xns9A727CC5738FFLifeIsG...@nntp.petitmorte.net>, ThePsyko
: >: >: > theps...@itookmyprozac.com said:
: >: >: > : On 31 Mar 2008 I stormed the castle called
: >: >: > :sci.psychology.psychotherapy
: >: >: > : and heard marcia cry out in
: >: >:
: >: >:
: >: >:
: >: >:
: >: >: > :::::::::news:63584043-f861-4086-9c5e-4e0b92d71b63@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : > On Mar 31, 10:27 am, ThePsyko <theps...@itookmyprozac.com> wrote:
: >: >: > : >> On 28 Mar 2008 I stormed the castle called
: >: >: > : >> sci.psychology.psychotherapy and heard Frank cry out
: >: >: > : >> innews:fsjvbb$lnd$1@aioe.org...
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> > <legal...@live.com> wrote in message
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >>>>news:669452ba-a97f-486a-93d4-9b2186fb89e2@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.co
: >: >: > : >> >m.
: >: >: > : >> > ..
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> 3/26/008
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> Public Notice for Diana Napolis
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> A Federal lawsuit has been filed against the
: >: >: > : >> >>following parties:
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> Michael Aquino, Carol Hopkins, Michelle Devereaux, Lesley
: >: >: > : >> >> Wimberly, Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, Tani Jantsang, Mark
: >: >: > : >> >>and
: >: >: > : >> >> David Copley of the San Diego Union -Tribune. These
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> being sued for Libel, Defamation, Conspiracy to violate
: >: >: > : >> >> Plaintiff's First Amendment Rights to Free Speech,
: >: >: > : >> >>of
: >: >: > : >> >> Privacy, and Conspiracy. Eight months after the Plaintiff's
: >: >: > : >> >> identity was revealed in the newspaper, 9/24/00, and to the
: >: >: > : >> >> present, she has been subjected to torture and
: >: >: > : >> >>via
: >: >: > : >> >> nonlethal technology.
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> If anyone is aware of where Michael Aquino, Michelle
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> Lesley Wimberly, and Tani Jantsang can receive legal service,
: >: >: > : >> >> please send an email with that information to:
: >: >: > : >> >> legal...@live.com
: >: >: > : >> >> Mailing address is: 6977 Navajo Rd. PMB 114, San Diego,
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> 92119-1503
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> Legal action may be pending against Scott Locklin, Peggy
: >: >: > : >> >>Nadrama,
: >: >: > : >> >> Peter Gilmore, Robert Menschel and his "wife." If anyone
: >: >: > : >> >>aware
: >: >: > : >> >> of what the name is of Mr. Menschel's wife, please send that
: >: >: > : >> >> information as well.
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> Ms. Napolis is representing herself in Federal Court.
: >: >: > : >> >> Ms. Napolis will only correspond to the attorneys or
: >: >: > : >> >> representatives of the above parties.
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> >> The local police have been notified about who the
: >: >: > : >> >>in
: >: >: > : >> >> this lawsuit for the protection of Ms. Napolis.
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> > Obviously another nut case. The idiot wants people to
: >: >: > : >> >others
: >: >: > : >> > in to her but she does not want to speak to them only their
: >: >: > : >> > attorneys. I believe this person has or is undergoing psych
: >: >: > : >> > treatment by court order, no one posted anything about
: >: >: > : >> >being
: >: >: > : >> > declared sane that I have seen. So where did she get
: >: >: > : >> >money to
: >: >: > : >> > file? From the welfare program?
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> > So where is the case number or is this just another lame hoax?
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> It's certainly a joke, but unfortunately it's no hoax.
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : >> This should feed Linda for a long time (well, at least
: >: >: > : >>until it gets
: >: >: > : >> thrown out)
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : > What odd timing, tho. No one even comes to spp anymore.
: >: >: > :
: >: >: > : > Are Karen Jones and Diana Napolis the same person?
: >: >:
: >: >: > Yes, Marcia, she used Karen Jones as a pseudonym.
: >: >:
: >: >: I thought that was the case. I remember arguing with her about false
: >: >: memory syndrome or something when she was using the name "Curio." My
: >: >: solitary brush with infamy.
: >:
: >: >http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20031106-9999_2m6stalk.html
: >:
: >: >Her probation isn't up until November, unless that was changed.
: >:
: >: >: > : I don't know. I doubt it, but couldn't say for sure. I
: >: >: > :actually rarely
: >: >: > : stop by here since Linda turned it into her own personal
: >: >: > :k00kspace...
: >: >:
: >: >: > The volume is way down lately. I attribute this to the lack of a
: >: >: > scholarly audience who might be perceived to care enough to feed
: >: >: > the attention starved.
: >: >:
: >: >: > --
: >: >: > Kali
: >: >:
: >: >: I think you're right. People like Linda chased them away with her
: >: >: libelous posts and behavior.
: >:
: >: >And stalking and harassment, like contacting employers, co-
: >: >workers, and neighbors via email and phone.
: >:
: >: Let's not forget academic supervisors.
:
: >And dissertation advisors. And department heads.
:
: Oh, you too? This is what happens when people regard Usenet as their
: primary place of business.

Heh.

: V rkcrpg gur jvsr frrf vg nf obgu n oyrffvat
: naq n phefr. :'-

Naq V fnl, "jul pbhyqa'g gryrivfvba or gur onolfvggre?"

In message <ft8901$pi...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Kali
k...@powder.keg> writes



In <ePKAt$AFv19HF...@ausi.com>, Peter nospam.a.extend762
@spamgourmet.com said:
: In message <1c6cbf53224ca13cf62d10823ac8b...@remailer.metacolo.com>,
: Anonymous Sender <anonym...@remailer.metacolo.com> writes
: >Linda wrote:
: >> It sure is what the public record says.
:
: >Nope. You're too deluded to have a correct interpretation of the
: >public record.
:
: If you encourage her she will flood the group with her twaddle, bogus
: science, false allegations, harassment.. ...the full spectrum of her
: stupidity. This group will return to normal at some point. How long it
: takes depends on the frequency, duration and intensity of interactions
: with her.

You have more positive outlook for spp than I do, Peter. I think
there will always be at least a few kooks in spp to disrupt the
group and make threats against posters.

I'm beginning to wonder if I was wrong.

Usenet is the court of last resort for kooks, who, because of
their inappropriate behavior, are often banned from web forums
and email lists. Further, spp is the only place on the net where
there is perceived easy access to psychologists.

Yes, this is true has been since I first posted here.

We've both seen the number of people who have posted over the
years who expect free psychotherapy, or who expect psychologists
to behave with professional demeanor toward them, regardless of
the lack of contract, or the topic under discussion, or the
extremes of their obnoxious behavior.

Aye, there's the rub, plus the idiots that attach themselves to spp
seems to think that they can make assertions in the face of evidence
and/or logic, and that others 'must' somehow accept their craziness as
truths. Their behaviour brings fresh meaning to the term 'magical
thinking'.

I think that easy accessability and anonymity make spp selective
for people who have had bad experiences with psychotherapy and
see this group as a good place to act out.

It is that sample bias thingy again! Self selected stupidity is the term
I currently favour.

It is selective for
anti-intellectuals (e.g. Frank and nav most recently). It is
selective for trolls.

I can't see why such stupid people queue up for a blatting and
humiliation, but there it is.

Psychology has to be one of the least understood of the sciences
in terms of public knowledge and acceptance.

I think it is more often wilful and perverse than genuine. Even after
being educated the psychodynamic quasi intellectual trolls tend to
persist, and I am thinking of one SMW here.

Most people don't
know the difference between psychiatry and psychology, don't
understand the scientific method, and don't know that only a
portion of psychologists are psychotherapists. Some come to
learn, others to fight and remain willfully ignorant in order to
further an emotionally charged agenda.

Oh exactly. Mention biochemistry to them and they think of weed,
overlooking the fact that this is perfect evidence to support the
biochemical basis for psychology, never mind the other material data.

For spp to become functional again there would have to be a
requirement that all posters maintain their anonymity, and that
trolls and kooks be conscientiously ignored by all. You and I do
not enjoy anonymity, thanks to having been stalked by kooks in
the past. Topical posters would have to outnumber kooks. An spp
FAQ would have to be posted frequently (you and I could develop
a FAQ, after posting here for 10+ years and being familiar with
the questions of newcomers).

That's a good idea. I am OTR at the moment <though the next leg of the
journey may be delayed due to white out>, but perhaps we could do such a
thing. The point here is that islets can develop into something bigger
as they attract more material.

Until then - and gosh, it's great to read you again - the kooks
and trolls, while the post count is way down, still inhabit spp.

Thank you for that and, oh, it sounds to me as if the post count has
been high during my absences. For sure I don't feel intellectually
refreshed by the prevailing wind in spp, which is not of a recognisably
terrestrial nature. More likely from the planet stupid, or the planet
Tharg.
--
Peter

3/26/008

Public Notice forDiana Napolis

A Federal lawsuit has been filed against the following parties:

Michael Aquino, Carol Hopkins, Michelle Devereaux, Lesley Wimberly,
Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, Tani Jantsang, Mark Sauer, and David Copley of
the San Diego Union -Tribune. These parties are being sued for Libel,
Defamation, Conspiracy to violate Plaintiff's First Amendment Rights
to Free Speech, Invasion of Privacy, and Conspiracy. Eight months
after the Plaintiff's identity was revealed in the newspaper, 9/24/00,
and to the present, she has been subjected to torture and
terrorization via nonlethal technology.

If anyone is aware of where Michael Aquino, Michelle Devereaux, Lesley
Wimberly, and Tani Jantsang can receive legal service, please send an
email with that information to:
 legal...@live.com
Mailing address is: 6977 Navajo Rd. PMB 114, San Diego, California
92119-1503

On Mar 28, 11:55 am, legal...@live.com wrote:
3/26/008

Public Notice forDiana Napolis

A Federal lawsuit has been filed against the following parties:

Michael Aquino, Carol Hopkins, Michelle Devereaux, Lesley Wimberly,
Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, Tani Jantsang, Mark Sauer, and David Copley of
the San Diego Union -Tribune. These parties are being sued for Libel,
Defamation, Conspiracy to violate Plaintiff's First Amendment Rights
to Free Speech, Invasion of Privacy, and Conspiracy. Eight months
after the Plaintiff's identity was revealed in the newspaper, 9/24/00,
and to the present, she has been subjected to torture and
terrorization via nonlethal technology.

If anyone is aware of where Michael Aquino, Michelle Devereaux, Lesley
Wimberly, and Tani Jantsang can receive legal service, please send an
email with that information to:
 legal...@live.com
Mailing address is: 6977 Navajo Rd. PMB 114, San Diego, California
92119-1503


It appears that Michael Aquino is attempting to avoid legal service.

On Mar 28, 11:55 am, legal...@live.com wrote:





3/26/008

Public Notice forDiana Napolis

A Federal lawsuit has been filed against the following parties:

Michael Aquino, Carol Hopkins, Michelle Devereaux, Lesley Wimberly,
Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, Tani Jantsang, Mark Sauer, and David Copley of
the San Diego Union -Tribune. These parties are being sued for Libel,
Defamation, Conspiracy to violate Plaintiff's First Amendment Rights
to Free Speech, Invasion of Privacy, and Conspiracy. Eight months
after the Plaintiff's identity was revealed in the newspaper, 9/24/00,
and to the present, she has been subjected to torture and
terrorization via nonlethal technology.

If anyone is aware of where Michael Aquino, Michelle Devereaux, Lesley
Wimberly, and Tani Jantsang can receive legal service, please send an
email with that information to:
 legal...@live.com
Mailing address is: 6977 Navajo Rd. PMB 114, San Diego, California
92119-1503

It appears that Michael Aquino is attempting to avoid legal service. I
am also looking for the address were Scott
Locklin can be legally served.

On Mar 28, 11:55 am, legal...@live.com wrote:





3/26/008

Public Notice forDiana Napolis

A Federal lawsuit has been filed against the following parties:

Michael Aquino, Carol Hopkins, Michelle Devereaux, Lesley Wimberly,
Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, Tani Jantsang, Mark Sauer, and David Copley of
the San Diego Union -Tribune. These parties are being sued for
Libel,
Defamation, Conspiracy to violate Plaintiff's First Amendment Rights
to Free Speech, Invasion of Privacy, and Conspiracy. Eight months
after the Plaintiff's identity was revealed in the newspaper,
9/24/00,
and to the present, she has been subjected to torture and
terrorization via nonlethal technology.

If anyone is aware of where Michael Aquino, Michelle Devereaux,
Lesley
Wimberly, and Tani Jantsang can receive legal service, please send
an
email with that information to:
legal...@live.com
Mailing address is: 6977 Navajo Rd. PMB 114, San Diego, California
92119-1503

It appears that Michael Aquino is attempting to avoid legal service. I
am also looking for the address were Scott
Locklin can be legally served.