On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:48:14 -0000, "pearl" <tea@signguestbook.ie
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what GM crop can be grown economically in Wales?
Maize? Wheat? Rape? Potatoes? And why stop there...?
why not start by telling us which varieties of Maize, wheat and rape are
GM,
and the growing conditions they need plus the acreages of grain maize and
wheat grown in Wales (as opposed to grown for fodder)
Are you really trying to deny that those crops could be grown in Wales?
legally yes,
As "Pete" puts it...
" Stop wriggling Jim. You blurted out "the utter irrelevance of the
Welsh decision is mind boggling, as they don't
actually grow any of the major crops for which GM varieties exist"
Which was quite a prejudicial thing for the CLA to say about the Welsh
farming community. When pulled up on it instead of confessing you were
wrong AND sorry, you started to huff, puff & wriggle some more, though
you might call it line dancing, by moving the goalposts "what GM crop
can be grown economically in Wales?" now we're looking at yet another
rapid diversion in" legally yes, what GM crops are licenced ?" So you
see Jim you're just digging a rather large hole.
I shall be contacting The CLA on Tuesday and also Welsh Farming bodies
to see what they think about this. So you best start coming up with
something better than goalpost juggling."
Spot on.
what GM crops are licenced ?
'September 8 2004
EU Allows Monsanto GM Maize - Move Called 'A Disaster'
US biotechnology industry giant Monsanto, has successfully
pressured the European Commission into officially accepting 17
of its genetically engineered varieties of Maize to be cultivated in
Europe. Monsanto enlisted the help of the Bush administration,
which complained
http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1431_A_951489_1_A,00.html
to the WTO over European 'intrasigence' on the question of
GM in agriculture.
One would think that the disastrous GM experience in Argentina
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gmdebate/Story/0,2763,1192869,00.html
and more recently in Mexico
http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=4112 should have
taught us something, but it appears that "free trade" mechanisms
are powerful enough to ride roughshod over both public preference
and government - in this case even European regional - resistance.
It would appear that the EU is giving up the fight, pushing that
responsibility further down to the member countries - and even
to the public - to sustain. In this connection the words of Health
Commissioner David Byrne, who also oversaw the passing of a
controversial ban on high dose and advanced formulation food
supplements
http://tinyurl.com/74qxj , are revealing. Byrne, in a
leaked memo available to Friends of the Earth, stated that "any
Member State may object to the marketing on their territory of
any such GM variety if they consider there is a risk for human
health, the environment or agronomic reasons." One might be
tempted to ask whether Byrne is keeping his options open for
lucrative employment with big business after his stint at the EU
Commission, which is drawing to a close...
From: GM WATCH
http://www.gmwatch.org
Friends of the Earth Europe
September 2004
GM CROPS: RECIPE FOR DISASTER
Friends of the Earth urges Governments to ban GM seeds
Brussels, 8 September - Friends of the Earth has condemned
today's decision by the European Commission to allow farmers
to commercially grow up to 17 different types of genetically
modified (GM) maize seeds in fields across the whole of Europe.
..'
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/09/08/eu_allows_monsanto_gm_maize_move_called_a_disaster.htm
http://tinyurl.com/2pmtej
'EU Commission caves in to biotech industry - again! (13/1/2006)
EU Commission caves in to biotech industry, Monsanto GM
maize authorized
Friends of the Earth Europe
Press release
Brussels, January 13th, 2006 " The European Commission today
ignored environmental and health concerns of Member States and
approved the import and use of three Monsanto genetically modified
(GM) maize (1).
This authorization comes despite studies showing that farmers in the
US and elsewhere are not seeing the reduced pesticide use and higher
profits promised by the biotech industry.
Helen Holder, GMO campaign coordinator at Friends of the Earth
Europe, said: "In whose interests is the EU commission acting?
GM crops have failed, yet the Commission continues to authorize
Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) in the EU despite there
being no EU law protecting conventional and organic farming from
genetic pollution."
"The EU Commission is going against the wish of European citizens,
and does not have the required majority support from Member States
for GMO approvals", she added
Since August, three other GMOs have been authorized by the
Commission (2). "In all six cases, Member States' concerns were
ignored because of the undemocratic EU system allowing the
Commission to take a decision despite there not being a qualified
majority in favour of GMOs in food and animal feed", Holder said.
All GMOs commercialized in the EU and worldwide have the same
two traits: insect resistance and herbicide tolerance, which have no
benefits for consumers. This is a poor result for 30 years of research
and public money spending. With 70% of EU citizens opposed to
GMOs, and a growing number of EU Regions stating their wish to be
GM-free (3), the EU Commission is caving in to the biotech industry
lobby and to US pressure.
Earlier this week, a report by Friends of the Earth made public
Monsanto'Ts aim to genetically modify all of the European
continent's maize production between now and 2010. However, the
number of EU countries and regions banning GM products has
increased over recent years (4).
NOTES
(1) Monsanto maize GA21 (food and food ingredients); Monsanto
maize MON 863 (food and food ingredients); Monsanto maize
MON863x810 (import and processing)
(2) See list:
http://www.foeeurope.org/GMOs/pending/approvals_timetable_Nov05.pdf
(3) 175 Regions throughout the EU have now declared themselves
GMO free. See:
www.gmofree-europe.org
(4)
http://www.foeeurope.org/publications/2006/who_benefits_from_gm_crops_Jan_2006.pdf,
page 15
http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=6130
'The row followed the possibility that GM oilseed rape may have already
been sold and grown in Wales.
then it is purely a legal matter,
You can say that again!
the welsh banning GM crops is about as
meaningless as them banning theft, it is already illegal, and GM crops are
only legal is they are passed by the EU. Perhaps you will tell me which GM
crops suitable for welsh conditions have been passed for growing by the EU
See above.
'Under EU decision-making rules, the European Commission makes
the final decision whether the GM crop will be authorised. Friends of
the Earth Europe has expressed concern because in previous cases,
the pro-biotech Commission has systematically authorised genetically
modified organisms (GMOs) regardless of the general voting pattern
by national Ministers.[2]
..
2] For example, in August 2005, the European Commission approved
the import of a controversial genetically modified (GM) maize, MON863,
for use as animal feed, even though the majority of member states had
either abstained or voted against import.
..'
http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=7043
They do however produce excellent lamb which grows superbly on the
fine mountain pastures
and is well worth tasting
Doubtless producing plump, succulent welsh children..... right,
troll?
why do you eat children?
I don't.
then why introduce the topic?
Did I?
yes, you are the first person introducing succulent children
I've restored what you snipped. Why did you snip that jim?
And as for trolling, you are the one who is
cross posting to UBA, if you don't like the responses, cut the x post
'On the Internet, troll is a slang term used to describe:
1. Statements presented by an Internet user to others that are solely
intended
to incite controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense.
you mean like slagging off meat production on a farming group
Rational discussion of relevant issues. You can't help yourself.
Over to you Jim. Hope you don't mind if we sing along?
Grab your partner by the hand lets go dancing to the band
With my saddle all shedded and the cattle all bedded
Nothing wild seems to be wrong;
Make my bed 'neath the skies, I look up at the stars,
And then I can sing you this call.
Grab your partner by the hand lets go dancing to the band.
You dance real good Jim.
