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| JOHN |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:33 am |
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| Myrl |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:22 am |
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On Mar 19, 7:16 am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
"We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils.
She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus
developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin.
An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
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Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
the alternative world certainly has tried! |
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:02 am |
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On Mar 19, 10:22 am, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Mar 19, 7:16 am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
"JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
"We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils.
She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus
developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin.
An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
"
Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
the alternative world certainly has tried!- Hide quoted text -
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Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring
ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.
However, using your "the dose makes the poison" argument, if the woman
had purified laetrile she had a drug and not a natural foodstuff. She
may well have used the wrong dose. However, the mere presence of a
bottle of laetrile does not prove that laetrile caused the womans
condition any more that an infant dying with in hours of a vaccine
shot means that the vaccine killed the infant. That is your usual
logic, correct?
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. |
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| HCN |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:16 am |
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"JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
Quote: http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
"We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils.
She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus
developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin.
An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
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| The One True Zhen Jue |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:50 am |
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On Mar 19, 1:02 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
Quote: On Mar 19, 10:22 am, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 19, 7:16 am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
"JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
"We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils.
She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus
developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin.
An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
"
Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
the alternative world certainly has tried!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring
ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.
"...may well be a vitamin"? What the hell kind of talk is that? A
vitamin has to meet two criteria:
A. Essential for human life
B. Can't be synthesized in sufficient quantities.
Laetrile is not essential. It is quite rightly classified as a
poison.
I guess the classes on Uranus taught poisons are vitamins and
medicines are pus. Away from Uranus, that isn't true.
Quote:
However, using your "the dose makes the poison" argument, if the woman
had purified laetrile she had a drug and not a natural foodstuff. She
may well have used the wrong dose. However, the mere presence of a
bottle of laetrile does not prove that laetrile caused the womans
condition any more that an infant dying with in hours of a vaccine
shot means that the vaccine killed the infant. That is your usual
logic, correct?
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text - |
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| Guest |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:47 pm |
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On Mar 19, 8:21 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
Quote: In message <527ab562-714f-4180-938c-effddc693...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring
ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.
So are formaldehyde and Aluminum. Are you now in favor
of them as a result?
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| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
How about some examples of formaldehyde being a normal and natural
component of human foodstuff. Please do the same for aluminum,
especially since pure aluminum does not exist, at least on the earth,
maybe on Uranus.
DrCee
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| D. C. Sessions |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:21 pm |
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In message <527ab562-714f-4180-938c-effddc693723@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:
Quote: Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring
ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.
So are formaldehyde and Aluminum. Are you now in favor
of them as a result?
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| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ |
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| Jan Drew |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:52 pm |
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TND/aka/"HCN" <hcn@nospam.com> wrote
She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
Conventional treatment having failed.
Quote:
"We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated
pupils. She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing
spontaneously. Despite her age, she had documented breast cancer with
hepatic metastases. Conventional treatment having failed, she only took
'vitamin supplements' bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the
next 6 h she required mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of
inotropes. Diabetes insipidus developed. As the appropriateness of further
treatment was considered, a relative arrived with her medications
including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin. An Internet search identified this
as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
LOL! Internet search identified that a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
Now there is some science.
Debunked by a *gang*!
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| Jan Drew |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:55 pm |
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"Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 19, 7:16 am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
ingest cyanide and slowly poison
themseves:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
"We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated
pupils.
She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously.
Despite
her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes
insipidus
developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or
amygdalin.
An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and
cyanogen.
"
Excellent point!
lol, From another *gang member*..... |
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| Jan Drew |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:16 pm |
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| David Wright |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:46 pm |
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In article <eo2dnZ37cNcusHzanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8d951771-56c4-4307-b21d-c2c570f844f8@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
the alternative world certainly has tried!
You should know
Adverse Drug Reaction deaths USA: 106,000 every year
The source of this number?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
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| Jan Drew |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:58 pm |
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"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:2bWdnfR9ZfWYTXzanZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Quote: In article <eo2dnZ37cNcusHzanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
"Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8d951771-56c4-4307-b21d-c2c570f844f8@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
the alternative world certainly has tried!
You should know
Adverse Drug Reaction deaths USA: 106,000 every year
The source of this number?
JAMA.
Try http://www.google.com/
Quote:
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down
on?"
-- Bill Maher
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| JOHN |
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:21 am |
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"Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8d951771-56c4-4307-b21d-c2c570f844f8@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Quote: Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
the alternative world certainly has tried!
You should know
Adverse Drug Reaction deaths USA: 106,000 every year |
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| D. C. Sessions |
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:35 am |
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In message <4372f090-a1a7-4d46-b036-5e6b5e50f25e@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:
Quote: On Mar 19, 8:21 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
In message <527ab562-714f-4180-938c-effddc693...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring
ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.
So are formaldehyde and Aluminum. Are you now in favor
of them as a result?
How about some examples of formaldehyde being a normal and natural
component of human foodstuff. Please do the same for aluminum,
especially since pure aluminum does not exist, at least on the earth,
maybe on Uranus.
Who said pure aluminum? I use the term in the same sense
that you do when ranting about vaccines.
Formaldehyde in foods?
Some notables that are popular in your orthopathic circles:
beetroot (35 mg/kg)
pears (38-60 mg/kg)
apples (6-22 mg/kg)
kohlrabi (31 mg/kg)
Most of the original source articles are pay-to-read, but
some summary data is here:
http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/programme/programme_rafs/programme_rafs_fa_02_09.html
As one observer commented, these foods would be illegal if used
as building materials.
Same on primary sources for aluminum, but here's one:
vegetables (0.17-30 mg/kg)
olive oil (19.5-70 mg/kg)
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2621.2000.tb15980.x
Some herbs (e.g. bay, oregano, and thyme) accumulate aluminum
at up to 500 mg/kg.
That, of course, is for natural foods and excludes those
prepared with alum such as pickles.
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| JOHN |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:20 am |
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