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| mimus |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:35 pm |
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You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
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Have you ever noticed that gods never appear and speak and act for
themselves? not to mention the behavior of those who claim to represent
those gods? or any sign that priests or laity are in regular contact with
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| Geoff |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:11 pm |
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mimus wrote:
Quote: You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive. |
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| mimus |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:51 pm |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:26:20 -0700, KANGAROOISTAN = the land of kangaroos
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Quote: On Mar 19, 5:35 am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
YOU dont have to if YOU dont want to mate
BUT
If you think any Muslim country will ever tolerate ANY christian army
in their country for very long
THEN you need to bring GOD into the picture
even if you think there is no GOD
IF you want your army in a Muslim country you must bring GOD into the
plan , cos he / she / it will decide the way the war goes
CLEARLY western countries thought like you and failed to account for
GOD , when they went to war in Muslim countries and 4000 dead yanks
later the west has STILL not worked out they can NEVER defeat a muslim
country ever again
Allah told me to tell you that you're in serious danger of choking on yer
own spit . . . .
And also suggested that you look at exactly who is killing whom in Iraq
and Afghanistan . . . .
But didn't seem very hopeful about any of it, or you.
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Thinking makes one an infidel.
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| Michael Gray |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:19 pm |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:35:01 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
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Quote: You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Why drag in a fiction? |
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| tooly |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:51 pm |
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"KANGAROOISTAN = the land of kangaroos" <kangarooistan@gmail.com> wrote in
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Quote: On Mar 19, 5:35 am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
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Have you ever noticed that gods never appear and speak and act for
themselves? not to mention the behavior of those who claim to represent
those gods? or any sign that priests or laity are in regular contact with
infinite wisdom and infinite justice?
YOU dont have to if YOU dont want to mate
BUT
If you think any Muslim country will ever tolerate ANY christian army
in their country for very long
THEN you need to bring GOD into the picture
even if you think there is no GOD
IF you want your army in a Muslim country you must bring GOD into the
plan , cos he / she / it will decide the way the war goes
CLEARLY western countries thought like you and failed to account for
GOD , when they went to war in Muslim countries and 4000 dead yanks
later the west has STILL not worked out they can NEVER defeat a muslim
country ever again
kanga
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Idiots or rebel-rousers notwithstanding, the USA has no interest in
'defeating' muslim nations. We ARE ONLY interested in seeing Democracy
replace tyranny because Democracy leads to 'stability' and puts down monster
tyrants forthwith, leaving the world to develop in a much more peaceful
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| Bob T. |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:28 am |
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On Mar 19, 10:08 am, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ...@spam-killer-
remove-techie.com> wrote:
Quote: Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy.
Everybody I have ever met has been a physical system of neurons and
synapses contained in a complex machine made out of meat. I know I
am.
Quote: You are conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.
It is quite easy to derive silly conclusions from nonsensical
premises, as you have demonstrated here.
- Bob T.
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Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk. |
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| Hatter |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:29 am |
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On Mar 19, 1:08 pm, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ...@spam-killer-
remove-techie.com> wrote:
Quote: Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.
The logical fallacies are manifold:
Primarily red herring, appeal to absurdity, and irrelavent conclusion.
I am a system of pure energy, I have a nickle in my pocket. Therefore
energy must have a nickle in it pocket.
It is really bad logic.
Hatter |
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| Hatter |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:25 am |
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On Mar 19, 3:52 pm, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ...@spam-killer-
remove-techie.com> wrote:
Quote: Hatter wrote:
On Mar 19, 1:08 pm, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ...@spam-killer-
remove-techie.com> wrote:
Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.
The logical fallacies are manifold:
Primarily red herring, appeal to absurdity, and irrelavent conclusion.
I am a system of pure energy, I have a nickle in my pocket. Therefore
energy must have a nickle in it pocket.
Uhmm...first, the pocket and the nickel are energy too. Secondly the
nickel is not an inherent property of yours. Consciousness is. Thirdly
the nickel is not even part of your system, its external to it.
It is really bad logic.
Sorry my logic is pristine, you just can't follow it. The addictions to
your beliefs preclude it.
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You logic has fallacies, it isn't pristine...If you wish to redefine
some things as outside the system, yet everything in the system, you
are playing evquivocation games.
Look If I, a system of energy, have a property, lets say "love of my
mother yet a hatred of brussel sprouts" it does not mean a volcano,
also a system of energy, also has "love of my mother and a hatred of
brussel sprouts" Nor would it mean the universe would have a "love of
my mother and a hatred of brussell sprouts"
It is bad logic. A really extreme case of hasty generalization.
Hatter |
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| Mike E. Fullerton |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:57 am |
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Geoff wrote:
Quote: mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious Universe
and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
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Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk. |
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| Christopher A. Lee |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:00 am |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:57:13 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
<inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:
Quote: Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious Universe
and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Silly baseless claim time. |
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| Mike E. Fullerton |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:01 am |
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tooly wrote:
Quote: "KANGAROOISTAN = the land of kangaroos" <kangarooistan@gmail.com> wrote in
message
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On Mar 19, 5:35 am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
--
Have you ever noticed that gods never appear and speak and act for
themselves? not to mention the behavior of those who claim to represent
those gods? or any sign that priests or laity are in regular contact with
infinite wisdom and infinite justice?
YOU dont have to if YOU dont want to mate
BUT
If you think any Muslim country will ever tolerate ANY christian army
in their country for very long
THEN you need to bring GOD into the picture
even if you think there is no GOD
IF you want your army in a Muslim country you must bring GOD into the
plan , cos he / she / it will decide the way the war goes
CLEARLY western countries thought like you and failed to account for
GOD , when they went to war in Muslim countries and 4000 dead yanks
later the west has STILL not worked out they can NEVER defeat a muslim
country ever again
kanga
=====
Idiots or rebel-rousers notwithstanding, the USA has no interest in
'defeating' muslim nations. We ARE ONLY interested in seeing Democracy
replace tyranny because Democracy leads to 'stability' and puts down monster
tyrants forthwith, leaving the world to develop in a much more peaceful
manner.
Oh so that's why the US has several times backed dictators instead of
the then ruling democracies. As a psychopathic nation, the US is only
interested in the stability of its wealth and power.
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Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk. |
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| Tokay Pino Gris |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:28 am |
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Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Quote: Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious Universe
and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Oh, I am not claiming that you don't. I just want to hear it.
(Well, read it. You know)
Tokay
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For a while I didn't have a car...I had a helicopter...no place to park
it, so I just tied it to a lamp post and left it running. [slow glance
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| Mike E. Fullerton |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:08 pm |
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Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Quote: Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.
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Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk. |
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| Christopher A. Lee |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:10 pm |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:08:04 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
<inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:
Quote: Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.
Bullshit. |
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| Mike E. Fullerton |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:13 pm |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Quote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:57:13 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious Universe
and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Silly baseless claim time.
And vacuous response time from the pathologically insecure too.
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Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk. |
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