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| Zanthius |
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On 29 Apr, 14:50, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: So you have no evidence of this deity (or deities).
I have clear evidence of your inability to conceptualize God. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:00 am |
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On 29 Apr, 14:59, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: My conception of God is irrelevant. Things don't exist simply because
we can conceive them.
Things that does exist, certainly doesn't seem to exist, unless we are
capable of conceptualizing them. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:09 am |
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On 29 Apr, 15:03, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Now, do you have evidence that this deity exists or not?
Of course I have personal evidence that God exist, but that doesn't
help you in any way. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:14 am |
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I can also have strong inductive reasons to believe in God, without
having any evidence.
There are a lot of things we believe in from strong inductive reasons,
without having any evidences. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:19 am |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:21 am |
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On 29 Apr, 15:16, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: (I love this tactic, by the way. The "I have an anecdote" tactic. Of
course, no one can prove this anecdote happened so we're just going to
have to believe them.
I didn't ask you to believe me. In fact, I don't want people to
believe anything unless they have strong inductive reasons or can
prove it to themselves. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:35 am |
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On 29 Apr, 15:29, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I didn't ask for a dictionary definition of it. I was asking for
examples of things we believe in for strong inductive reasons without
having any evidence for them. Beyond deities.
Anything that is probable but not certain. It is probable that I am
not going to crash and die if I drive to work today, but it is not
certain. It is probable that it is not going to snow during the summer
here in Norway, but it is not certain. It is probable that all human
beings are going to die, but it is not certain. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:40 am |
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On 29 Apr, 15:37, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Everything that you've quoted has evidence for them.
What evidence do I have that I am not going to crash and die, if I
drive to work today?
What evidence do I have that it is not going to snow in Norway during
this summer?
What evidence do I have that all people are going to die? |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:22 am |
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On 29 Apr, 16:12, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
Quote: The "reasons" are worthless rationalisations - and the actual reason
is childhood conditioning by the adults around them, at the same time
they learn their first words, thought processes etc etc.
I could say exactly the same for how atheists indoctrinate their
children with atheistic beliefs.
An just for your information, I was a stupid little infidel all my
childhood, until I started to understand more about the universe. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:58 am |
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On 29 Apr, 17:51, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: You can't even support your claim for the existence of this imaginary being
let alone what would be "in harmony" with it.
We could just as well define God to be what the objective truth is in
harmony with.
While we could define God to be a manifestation of the objective
truth.
Is it the objective truth that you think is imaginary? |
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| DanielSan |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:03 am |
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Zanthius wrote:
Quote: On 29 Apr, 04:02, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, but if he's beyond our comprehension of the natural, then why do
so many people believe they know the precise parameters thereof?
The precise parameters of what? God of nature?
When I reference the word "God" with a capital G, I am, necessarily,
talking about the deity of the Christian religion. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:03 am |
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On 29 Apr, 18:03, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: The evidence is based on prior observations. It's not proof, but it gives an
expectation. We are not fortune tellers. Sheesh!
So, I have strong inductive reasons from prior observations to believe
it. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:09 am |
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On 29 Apr, 17:58, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: If the evidence is not objectively verifiable, it's worthless as regards
empirical investigation.
Empirical investigations are also worthless as regards to individual
intelligence.
Tell, can a person with 50 in IQ derive the same conclusions from
empirical data, as person with 200 in IQ?
The evidence for God would very well be in the empirical data you
already have, but you might not be intelligent enough to conceptualize
God from the data. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:13 am |
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On 29 Apr, 18:01, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: I call bullshit. You wrote: "I discern a lot of things in the room (i.e.
your god),
from empiricism, inductive and deductive reasons."
Apparently I can discern a lot more than you, from the same empirical
data. |
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| DanielSan |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:20 am |
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Zanthius wrote:
Quote: On 29 Apr, 14:03, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
When I reference the word "God" with a capital G, I am, necessarily,
talking about the deity of the Christian religion.
The names God, Allah, and Vishnu are all references to the same
entity.
And their followers all have clearly defined parameters for their
individual interpretations of that "entity". But, do you have any
evidence for that deity (or collection of deities)? |
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