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| Geoff |
 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:35 am |
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Zanthius wrote:
Quote: On 27 Apr, 00:12, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
As it is not viewable and never will be, why bother with the room at
all?
I don't unless I can discern something in the room. Inductive reasons
can give me a hazy view, while empiricism and deductive reasons can
give me a more clear view.
Great. Since we both agreed you cannot detect anything in the room, then any
inductive supposition is as good as any other i.e. worthless. Thanks for
seeing things my way finally. |
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| Geoff |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:04 am |
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Zanthius wrote:
Quote: On 27 Apr, 04:08, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
I don't know what's in the room. I am agnostic regarding it's
contents. On the other hand, I am skeptical of any specific claims
by anyone regarding the contents (corrolary to atheism).
What makes a claim specific? If you consider it to be a specific claim
that aliens have visited earth, then what makes this into a more
specific claim than the opposite claim, which is that aliens never
have visited earth?
There is no more reason to believe that aliens never have visited
earth, than to believe that aliens have visited earth, with the amount
of data you have available you don't know anything about if aliens
have visited or not.
Stop fucking chopping up my posts and responding to only those things to
which feel comfortable responding. Respond to the sum of the post. If you
would read my entire posts, then perhaps my position would not be such a
fucking mystery to you. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:02 pm |
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On 28 Apr, 20:55, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: How does one know what would be in harmony with your god?
The objective truth is always in harmony with God. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:05 pm |
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On 28 Apr, 20:57, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: Let's get this straight. You're room is a metaphor for the supernatural. How
can you determine anything about the supernatural empirically?
God isn't supernatural, he is just beyond your comprehension of the
natural. |
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| Geoff |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:53 pm |
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Zanthius wrote:
Quote: On 28 Apr, 16:04, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Stop fucking chopping up my posts and responding to only those
things to which feel comfortable responding. Respond to the sum of
the post. If you would read my entire posts, then perhaps my
position would not be such a fucking mystery to you.
Take a look at the page about my political agenda. I have updated it
with some text.
http://www.archania.org/party.php
You are teetering on the edge, Zippy. |
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| Geoff |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:55 pm |
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Zanthius wrote:
Quote: On 28 Apr, 15:33, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
How would the universe appear any different if there
is a god than if there isn't?
If we all worked in harmony for God
How does one know what would be in harmony with your god?
(snip rants) |
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| Geoff |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:57 pm |
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Geoff wrote:
Quote: Zanthius wrote:
On 27 Apr, 04:08, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
I don't know what's in the room. I am agnostic regarding it's
contents. On the other hand, I am skeptical of any specific claims
by anyone regarding the contents (corrolary to atheism).
What makes a claim specific? If you consider it to be a specific
claim that aliens have visited earth, then what makes this into a
more specific claim than the opposite claim, which is that aliens
never have visited earth?
I don't claim aliens visited Earth. I expressed my skepticism. I do
not know whether or not they have visited any more than I know that a
certain series of numbers has a pattern, a room has contents, or if
gods exist. I am completely agnostic about the subject.
I object to any specific claims that any photo (video, 1st person
account, etc.) proves aliens have visited, that the series has a
certain pattern, that the room has any particular item, or that any
god has any specific qualities abest any evidence. I am completely
skeptical regarding these specific claims. This skepticism is, with
respect to gods, atheism.
Any conjecture regarding the pattern, the contents of the room, the
god, the aliens (including your speculation that they may have gotten
here via some FTL technology) are fun to consider, but essentially
worthless since there are infinite alternatives for every supposition.
There is no more reason to believe that aliens never have visited
earth, than to believe that aliens have visited earth, with the
amount of data you have available you don't know anything about if
aliens have visited or not.
Fine. If it is impossible to determine whether they have or not,
what's the purpose of even entertaining the notion?
Nothing huh? No wonder you can't figure out what my position is and
constantly mischaracterize it. |
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| Geoff |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:57 pm |
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Zanthius wrote:
Quote: On 28 Apr, 15:35, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Great. Since we both agreed you cannot detect anything in the room
I don't agree with you. I can discern a lot of things in the room,
from empiricism, inductive and deductive reasons.
Let's get this straight. You're room is a metaphor for the supernatural. How
can you determine anything about the supernatural empirically? |
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| Smiler |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:06 pm |
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"Zanthius" <zanthius_of_dxun@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fd12df22-6528-47db-868c-2743f742949a@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Quote: On 28 Apr, 20:57, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Let's get this straight. You're room is a metaphor for the supernatural.
How
can you determine anything about the supernatural empirically?
God isn't supernatural, he is just beyond your comprehension of the
natural.
If you have empirical evidence for the existence of your god, show it to us.
Bet you can't, or more likely, come up with some excuse why you won't.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279 |
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| Dubh Ghall |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:49 pm |
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:06:04 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
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"Zanthius" <zanthius_of_dxun@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fd12df22-6528-47db-868c-2743f742949a@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On 28 Apr, 20:57, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Let's get this straight. You're room is a metaphor for the supernatural.
How
can you determine anything about the supernatural empirically?
God isn't supernatural, he is just beyond your comprehension of the
natural.
If you have empirical evidence for the existence of your god, show it to us.
Bet you can't, or more likely, come up with some excuse why you won't.
You wouldn't believe him, so there is no point: Standard fundy reply. |
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| DanielSan |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:02 pm |
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Zanthius wrote:
Quote: On 28 Apr, 20:57, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Let's get this straight. You're room is a metaphor for the supernatural. How
can you determine anything about the supernatural empirically?
God isn't supernatural, he is just beyond your comprehension of the
natural.
Sorry, but if he's beyond our comprehension of the natural, then why do
so many people believe they know the precise parameters thereof? |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:34 pm |
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On 29 Apr, 04:02, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Sorry, but if he's beyond our comprehension of the natural, then why do
so many people believe they know the precise parameters thereof?
The precise parameters of what? God of nature? |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:31 am |
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Let us say that God lives inside of the dark room, where it is very
difficult to see, but not impossible to see.
One person might be able to discern something there, but perhaps he
doesn't see it clearly enough, and misinterprets what he sees.
Some people might see a bit more clearly what is inside of the dark
room, and they are called saints, some might see even more clearly,
and they are called messiahs.
These people might actually see what is inside of the dark room where
God lives, but unfortunately, most religious people cannot see
anything inside of the room, they merely have faith in the saints and
in the messiahs. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:18 am |
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On 29 Apr, 14:03, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: When I reference the word "God" with a capital G, I am, necessarily,
talking about the deity of the Christian religion.
The names God, Allah, and Vishnu are all references to the same
entity. |
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| Zanthius |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:48 am |
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On 29 Apr, 14:20, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: And their followers all have clearly defined parameters for their
individual interpretations of that "entity". But, do you have any
evidence for that deity (or collection of deities)?
Thinking about yourself as a separate unit is only true to some
extent.
Your body constantly interacts gravitationally, electromagnetically,
thermally, and by exchange of gases with the environment.
This blending with external influences is actually what causes much of
your behavior, and a human being isn't exactly a completely closed
system.
This is why holism is superior to egoism. While the egoist considers
himself to be a closed system, the people advocating holism
understands themselves to be constantly interacting with the
environment, and thus blending with the whole.
This blending with the whole could be interpreted as being one with
God, and if you only could conceptualize that you are not a closed
system, but a rather a system blending with the whole from ceaseless
interactions with your environment, then you would comprehend what
God is.
But why doesn't the egoist understand that he is in synergism with the
whole? Because the egoist is incapable of conceptualizing himself as
being in constant interaction with the whole, even if there is clear
proof that he is not a closed system. Much of the problem to the
atheist is similar to the problem of the egoist. You are not capable
of conceptualizing God as the objective truth transcending subjective
differences. |
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