On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:08:04 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.

Bullshit.

Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?

Reason and God are mutually exclusive.

That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.

Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:57:13 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.

Silly baseless claim time.

And vacuous response time from the pathologically insecure too.

Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:08:04 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you
hold the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically
emerges out of nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure
energy (all the energy there is). Therefore the Universe is
conscious.

Bullshit.

What's bullshit? My guess is you don't even know. Typical irrational
atheism.

On Mar 19, 10:08 am, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ...@spam-killer-
remove-techie.com> wrote:
Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy.

Everybody I have ever met has been a physical system of neurons and
synapses contained in a complex machine made out of meat. I know I
am.

You are conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.

It is quite easy to derive silly conclusions from nonsensical
premises, as you have demonstrated here.

Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:08:04 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you
hold the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically
emerges out of nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure
energy (all the energy there is). Therefore the Universe is
conscious.
Bullshit.
What's bullshit? My guess is you don't even know. Typical irrational
atheism.

Let's start with this: "You are a system of pure energy." This is
demonstrably false.

Hatter wrote:
On Mar 19, 3:52 pm, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ...@spam-killer-
remove-techie.com> wrote:
Hatter wrote:
On Mar 19, 1:08 pm, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ...@spam-killer-
remove-techie.com> wrote:
Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.
The logical fallacies are manifold:
Primarily red herring, appeal to absurdity, and irrelavent conclusion.
I am a system of pure energy, I have a nickle in my pocket. Therefore
energy must have a nickle in it pocket.
Uhmm...first, the pocket and the nickel are energy too. Secondly the
nickel is not an inherent property of yours. Consciousness is. Thirdly
the nickel is not even part of your system, its external to it.

It is really bad logic.
Sorry my logic is pristine, you just can't follow it. The addictions to
your beliefs preclude it.

--
You logic has fallacies, it isn't pristine...If you wish to redefine
some things as outside the system, yet everything in the system, you
are playing evquivocation games.

There are no fallacies. I have made no redefinitions. You OTOH seemed to
have bizarrely redefined humans as being integral to arbitrary external
objects placed upon them.

Look If I, a system of energy, have a property, lets say "love of my
mother yet a hatred of brussel sprouts" it does not mean a volcano,
also a system of energy, also has "love of my mother and a hatred of
brussel sprouts" Nor would it mean the universe would have a "love of
my mother and a hatred of brussell sprouts"

What you don't seem to notice is that the one system, you, is an
integrated system of the other, the Universe. A person system is in no
way integrated to a volcano system. So the Universe does have a "love of
your mother and a hatred of brussell sprouts" property in the you
subsystem it is integrated with. The Universe doesn't have this property
as a hole because this property is an illusory emergent property like
hardness, colour or taste. The Universe is governed by laws of
attraction and repulsion though which the human property is based on.

It is bad logic. A really extreme case of hasty generalization.

Pity it never happened.

Except for the unfortunate fact that it did.

Mike E. Fullerton wrote:

Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:57:13 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Geoff wrote:

mimus wrote:

You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?

Reason and God are mutually exclusive.

That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.

Silly baseless claim time.

And vacuous response time from the pathologically insecure too.

Claims without evidence are rejected without evidence.

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:53:25 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"





inforequ...@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:20:26 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequ...@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:08:04 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequ...@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you
hold the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically
emerges out of nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure
energy (all the energy there is). Therefore the Universe is
conscious.
Bullshit.
What's bullshit? My guess is you don't even know. Typical irrational
atheism.
Let's start with this: "You are a system of pure energy." This is
demonstrably false.
Really? According to Einstein's famous equation E=MC², energy is
equivalent to mass or matter. Mass can be converted into energy and
energy can be converted into mass. The law of conservation of energy
states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, just changed from
one form to another. Therefore since matter can be converted into
energy, matter is just a form of energy. The entire foundation of
modern physics is based on these principles.

This is misunderstanding of the concept as well as playing with words..
No, it is neither. You are free to explain yourself though. Unless
you're just blowing hot air.

What a fucking moron.

Said the moron to the mirror.

What "moron in the mirror", village idiot?

Look up "fallacy of composition" and stop being so in-our-face stupid
and then slanderous.

The "fallacy of composition" as well as the "fallacy of division" apply
only to illusory emergent phenomena not actual properties. Actual
properties are based on universal laws of physics. We are energy, the
Universe is energy. Energy is energy. The properties of energy are the
properties of energy. How on Earth can this not be clear to you? Your
highly irrational responses seem to indicate a severe psychosis
(probably psychotic depression) maybe that's it.

Bullshit. It's just logic.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html#composition

Move your lips if it makes it easier to understand.

Sure thing bendajo.

I thought it might be fallacy of composition, but I went on a

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:47:51 -0400, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com
wrote:





Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:08:04 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequ...@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you
hold the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically
emerges out of nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure
energy (all the energy there is). Therefore the Universe is
conscious.

Bullshit.

What's bullshit? My guess is you don't even know. Typical irrational
atheism.

Let's start with this: "You are a system of pure energy." This is
demonstrably false.

As is extrapolation from an individual to the rest of the universe.

My cat is part of the universe, therefore the universe is a cat.- Hide quoted text -

That's why I said an extreme case of hasty generalization.

Geoff wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:08:04 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you
hold the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically
emerges out of nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure
energy (all the energy there is). Therefore the Universe is
conscious.
Bullshit.
What's bullshit? My guess is you don't even know. Typical irrational
atheism.

Let's start with this: "You are a system of pure energy." This is
demonstrably false.

Really? According to Einstein's famous equation E=MC², energy is
equivalent to mass or matter. Mass can be converted into energy and energy
can be converted into mass. The law of conservation of energy states that
energy cannot be created or destroyed, just changed from one form to
another. Therefore since matter can be converted into energy, matter is
just a form of energy. The entire foundation of modern physics is based on
these principles.

--
Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk.

On Mar 19, 1:08 pm, "Mike E. Fullerton" <inforequ...@spam-killer-
remove-techie.com> wrote:
Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.

The logical fallacies are manifold:
Primarily red herring, appeal to absurdity, and irrelavent conclusion.

I am a system of pure energy, I have a nickle in my pocket. Therefore
energy must have a nickle in it pocket.

It is really bad logic.

Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:57:13 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious Universe
and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.

Silly baseless claim time.

And vacuous response time from the pathologically insecure too.

Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:08:04 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you hold
the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically emerges out of
nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure energy (all the
energy there is). Therefore the Universe is conscious.

Bullshit.

What's bullshit? My guess is you don't even know. Typical irrational
atheism.

Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:08:04 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
inforequest@spam-killer-remove-techie.com> wrote:

Tokay Pino Gris wrote:
Mike E. Fullerton wrote:
Geoff wrote:
mimus wrote:
You don't need to drag God into it, now, do you?
Reason and God are mutually exclusive.
That depends on what you mean by God. I see God as a conscious
Universe and have extremely sound reasoning behind this.
Let's have it!
Its extremely simple Tokay. You are a system of pure energy. You are
conscious. Therefore energy must be conscious unless of course you
hold the patently absurd belief that consciousness magically
emerges out of nothing. The Universe is a system of the same pure
energy (all the energy there is). Therefore the Universe is
conscious.

Bullshit.

What's bullshit? My guess is you don't even know. Typical irrational
atheism.

Let's start with this: "You are a system of pure energy." This is
demonstrably false.